i havent been impressed by rahman yet. im sure he will develop, but he's looked defensively vulnerable as far as im concerned. id prefer a player who has shown he can defend well in the premier league to an unproven prospect, especially given our form this year

Your preference will only see light if Mourinho wishes to buy Aaron Cresswell or Leighton Baines in the next transfer window or two.  Meanwhile, Baba Rahman deserves the chance to show what he can provide over the next 2-3 games and he won't get a better chance with Ivanovic out of action.

i havent been impressed by rahman yet. im sure he will develop, but he's looked defensively vulnerable as far as im concerned. id prefer a player who has shown he can defend well in the premier league to an unproven prospect, especially given our form this year

Hes looked a lot better then Ivan the little he played. Which is an extremely small sample size and hardly any judge. Zouma also looked "defensively vulnerable" the little he played fullback and he contributes absolutely zero going forward.

I can understand the logic behind playing Zouma (it's not like José hasn't initially omitted players he didn't think were ready before), but wouldn't it make more sense to move Azpilicueta across and put him at left back? At least then we can provide some attacking thread from full-back, which I assume Zouma won't (yet) be trusted to do.

 

I can also understand why people might be furious about Rahman's lack of game time, although it might be worth bearing in mind that it took Ivanovic himself ten months to make a first-team appearance after he signed.

I can understand the logic behind playing Zouma (it's not like José hasn't initially omitted players he didn't think were ready before), but wouldn't it make more sense to move Azpilicueta across and put him at left back? At least then we can provide some attacking thread from full-back, which I assume Zouma won't (yet) be trusted to do.

I can also understand why people might be furious about Rahman's lack of game time, although it might be worth bearing in mind that it took Ivanovic himself ten months to make a first-team appearance after he signed.

Ivanovic had the best defence in the country to break into. Baba has the one of the worse on current form.

It's probably worth noting that the player he ultimately ousted from the first XI was José Bosingwa.

I can also understand why people might be furious about Rahman's lack of game time, although it might be worth bearing in mind that it took Ivanovic himself ten months to make a first-team appearance after he signed.

 

To be fair in his first seasons Ivanovic was competing with Terry/Carvalho/Alex for Cb and Bosingwa/Belletti/Fereira for Rb. Rahman only has a really out of form Ivanovic to dislodge.

 

It's probably worth noting that the player he ultimately ousted from the first XI was José Bosingwa.

 

No mean feat 

I'm expecting Marko Marin to be hauled back from loan and moved into the Left Back role

You are all missing the point in my opinion.

 

The reason Rahman likely won't start against Villa or be thrown in regularly is JT. Dave playing at LB (usually) offers so much protection to JT on that side. JT would be left exposed far too often if it were a raw and more attack-minded LB playing alongside him.

 

I'm sue there is a longer term plan in mind for Rahman.

You are all missing the point in my opinion.

 

The reason Rahman likely won't start against Villa or be thrown in regularly is JT. Dave playing at LB (usually) offers so much protection to JT on that side. JT would be left exposed far too often if it were a raw and more attack-minded LB playing alongside him.

 

I'm sue there is a longer term plan in mind for Rahman.

 

But JT hasn't played the majority of games this season, what's been Jose's excuse up to now? 

Also, please remember the guy just turned 21, only joined the club 6 weeks ago, hasn't had a pre-season.

 

He is also very raw. It's only 3 seasons ago he was still playing in Ghana. Africa has produced many great footballers but they are still very much developing and have so far not produced many quality defenders for that reason.

 

The tools are there but i'm sure that Jose sees a lot of work to be done on his game tactically and positionally.

Also, please remember the guy just turned 21, only joined the club 6 weeks ago, hasn't had a pre-season.

 

He is also very raw. It's only 3 seasons ago he was still playing in Ghana. Africa has produced many great footballers but they are still very much developing and have so far not produced many quality defenders for that reason.

 

The tools are there but i'm sure that Jose sees a lot of work to be done on his game tactically and positionally.

It's not that complicated.

Put him in and let him have a go

 

It's not that complicated.

Put him in and let him have a go

 

It's not that simple.

The Premier League is a highly tactical league, and mistakes made through inexperience can and will lead to goals

Edited October 14, 201510 yr by Coxy15

Mistakes are being made and goals are being conceded even with experienced players.

A few left backs have made their debuts against us and been fine. Taggert last season for Southampton and this season that newcastle fellow who is actually a right back i think? Im sure Baba Rahman will be fine having played more first team football than them two, albeit in Germany

Well it's very clear if Zouma plays RB that Jose will bring Ivanovic back in as soon as he's fit. Seriously does Ivanovic have something on Jose?

Well it's very clear if Zouma plays RB that Jose will bring Ivanovic back in as soon as he's fit. Seriously does Ivanovic have something on Jose?

 

I remember there was a discussion about some incriminating photos of Jose's daughter in the Southampton thread or somewhere. 

Pretty clear what Ivan has on Jose, he has his complete trust after years of excellent performances. He has the win at all cost mentality that Jose loves and the commitment to give everything for the team. If he's playing him it's because he believes that it's just bad form and hopefully it is.

 

I don't get why we're talking about height of a full back here, he's not talking about full backs. He's saying that the team has 3-4 players who can do a job at set pieces. Height is not the whole story. Matic is the best DM in the world at his best but he can do much better in the air, he can be more aggressive. He's progressing so that's a good thing. Other than him we have the CBs, that's it. If you look at the rest of the usual team, it's mostly a mismatch.

 

The way I remember our set up (at least when it was still functioning properly), Terry and Ivan take their two best in the air and Costa at the near post, I can see what he's talking about because it does look vulnerable in other areas. Baba is probably not Mourinho's choice which is already a huge problem in how our board/Emenalo is working, something needs to change in the that process because it's no coincidence that we're buying and selling so many players at such a short time.

Personally, I think people should stop whining about this and show some frikin faith in the manager.

 

Who knows what goes on in training etc, Jose knows what he's doing and picks the best players/teams to win, The rest is down to said players, How is it the managers fault if a player chokes/doesn't perform?

 

The bane has clearly forgotten how to defend and lost a yard, However, If the other 10 on the pitch were actually playing well, He wouldn't be getting overrun every game and would have more support in case they get past!

 

The whole team should be preventing the attack in the first place and pinning teams back, Exactly like we use to.

 

Probably should of twisted earlier but now is the perfect time to start other options and see what happens.

Personally, I think people should stop whining about this and show some frikin faith in the manager.

Who knows what goes on in training etc, Jose knows what he's doing and picks the best players/teams to win, The rest is down to said players, How is it the managers fault if a player chokes/doesn't perform?

The bane has clearly forgotten how to defend and lost a yard, However, If the other 10 on the pitch were actually playing well, He wouldn't be getting overrun every game and would have more support in case they get past!

The whole team should be preventing the attack in the first place and pinning teams back, Exactly like we use to.

Probably should of twisted earlier but now is the perfect time to start other options and see what happens.

People have a right to complain when out if form players are constantly picked, especially ones who are clearly at fault for us conceding goals.

People have a right to complain when out of form players are constantly picked, especially ones who are clearly at fault for us conceding goals.

 

He wouldn't be if the rest of the team was pulling their weight.

 

We have forgotten how to protect the back 4, Which when we use to, It takes loads of pressure away so our defence can sit more tightly when dealing with attacks.

 

Like I said before the bane has clearly been sh1te this season, But I think if the whole team was working in sync and protecting our defence better, He wouldn't be exposed half as much.

 

just sayin...

Edited October 14, 201510 yr by Bigthrobberus

So basically, if others were doing his job for him he wouldnt be that bad? Well yeah. Willian was saving his bacon all the time last year and Pedro is doing his damn best this year. I wonder what Ivan would look like with someone like Mata on the RW.

So basically, if others were doing his job for him he wouldnt be that bad? Well yeah. Willian was saving his bacon all the time last year and Pedro is doing his damn best this year. I wonder what Ivan would look like with someone like Mata on the RW.

 

yawn.

 

clearly didnt say that.

 

are you the US fox news channels ghost or something?

 

lol

Edited October 14, 201510 yr by Bigthrobberus

He wouldn't be if the rest of the team was pulling their weight.

We have forgotten how to protect the back 4, Which when we use to, It takes loads of pressure away so our defence can sit more tightly when dealing with attacks.

Like I said before the bane has clearly been sh1te this season, But I think if the whole team was working in sync and protecting our defence better, He wouldn't be exposed half as much.

just sayin...

You can't expect others to do a job for him, of course others have been poor to but that doesn't make excuses for his constant individual errors.

I do agree that other areas also need looking at, protecting the back four was an art form last season yet we're struggling this season to do that. I am suprised he hasn't gone for a Zouma-Matic midfield.

Ivanovic's form has definitely improved as the season has gone on and IMO he has actually been ok for the last few game, yes he hasn't been brilliant but he hasn't been as atrocious as everyone id making out, any RB in the world with 90% of attacks occurring down their flank will eventually have a goal conceded against them even if they haven't made a mistake all game. Yes oppositions deploying this tactic has occurred due to his really poor form in the first few weeks but does that really mean he should be subjected to all the tripe people have been writing about him?