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If it's true i will be annoyed, why bother bringing in young talented players if we ain't going to bother playing them.

either they develop into top players or we make a tidy profit. very good business in my book

de bruyne seems good enough to keep however, especially if thats the price

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I understand the initial reaction to this rumor, but we need to keep in mind that KDB is an attacking mf/ winger, and we've already stacked up well in that department. If Shurrle is on the way, it's even more competition for places.

 

Now, don't get me wrong, I like the lad and he seems to be genuinely talented. But he does well at Werder because he plays regularly, he's a guaranteed starter. That's where confidence comes from. At CFC he'll have to compete with the likes of Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Moses and possibly Shurrle for the playing time ( I assume Marin and Benayoun are as good as gone). He'll want to keep his spot in the national team for the upcoming WC, he won't do it spending most of his time on the bench and he knows it.

 

I wouldn't be averse to using KDB in a swap plus cash scenario, involving Lewandowski. We need a top quality striker, and he's available for a reasonable fee, given his contract situation. People need to keep in mind that a footballer's value may not only rise, but drop at any moment. KDB may not play as well next season due to injuries, loss of form, etc. and we rarely, if ever, make a profit selling our players, which is an issue we can't ignore, considering the FFP.

 

Not saying we should sell him, I just wouldn't be so dead certain we shouldn't explore our options.

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I understand the initial reaction to this rumor, but we need to keep in mind that KDB is an attacking mf/ winger, and we've already stacked up well in that department. If Shurrle is on the way, it's even more competition for places.

 

Now, don't get me wrong, I like the lad and he seems to be genuinely talented. But he does well at Werder because he plays regularly, he's a guaranteed starter. That's where confidence comes from. At CFC he'll have to compete with the likes of Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Moses and possibly Shurrle for the playing time ( I assume Marin and Benayoun are as good as gone). He'll want to keep his spot in the national team for the upcoming WC, he won't do it spending most of his time on the bench and he knows it.

 

I wouldn't be averse to using KDB in a swap plus cash scenario, involving Lewandowski. We need a top quality striker, and he's available for a reasonable fee, given his contract situation. People need to keep in mind that a footballer's value may not only rise, but drop at any moment. KDB may not play as well next season due to injuries, loss of form, etc. and we rarely, if ever, make a profit selling our players, which is an issue we can't ignore, considering the FFP.

 

Not saying we should sell him, I just wouldn't be so dead certain we shouldn't explore our options.

 

This makes perfect sense. Well said. ^

 

 

There's a good article on WAGNH about the supposed bid for KDB:

 

http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2013/4/16/4227990/borussia-dortmund-linked-to-kevin-de-bruyne-chelsea-fc-transfer-rumor

 

I'm not in favour of letting KDB go at this point, but I would be option to options. We have done well with some of our recent player acquisitions and it's good to explore those options especially with known deficiencies in our squad.

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You have to take into account there's a possibility this was the plan all along with him, and a few others. As a club were now may have to make money to spend money due to ffp, what better way than to sign promising young talent, showcase them on loan, cash in then sign the first team player you are actually after. we have been hoovering up plenty of young uns lately.

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Odd link I know but I was only reading this morning about Sam Allardyce saying that West Ham might not bid for Carroll at the end of the season due to the new FFP rules coming into force.

 

My thinking is, should this rumour be true, we've bought KDB for £7m and then 18 months later sold him for £14m, a nice tidy profit that helps balance the books and who knows, they might be a buy back clause in his contract should he leave.

 

This could be what happens with other youth players such as Piazon who the club may decide that any profit made outweighs keeping them on the books if they are unlikely to break into the first team.

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Chelsea; buy back clause? I don't think the club thinks that way. Look at someone like Matic, we were not patient enough and used in an exchange trade (albeit at €10m) for Luiz; 2 years later he is valued at €30m in a position we are lacking quality. I have this sneaky feeling Dortmund didn't make a bid but its KDB's agent guaging where he stands with the club, considering we might be bringing in Schurrie who will be competing with him for a place.

If its true however, one wonders why we will be selling a potentially top class player who is a starter for Belgium to a top German team, and turning around to pay more money for one who isn't for Germany. Personally, I'd rather keep both Piazon & KDB instead of buying Schurrie to replace Marin & Benayoun and rotate in the band of 3.

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I understand the initial reaction to this rumor, but we need to keep in mind that KDB is an attacking mf/ winger, and we've already stacked up well in that department. If Shurrle is on the way, it's even more competition for places.

 

de bruyne can also play as a CM and why the hell are we buying schurrle if we have de bruyne?

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de bruyne can also play as a CM and why the hell are we buying schurrle if we have de bruyne?

 

I think Shurrle can play as a striker, too. He's also bigger and stronger than KDB and does a lot of defensive work.

 

I'm not saying one is better than the other, it's just they are not exactly the same type of player. KDB is more of a playmaker who can play both centrally and on the wing. Shurrle is a forward, who can either play as a center forward or winger.

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I think Shurrle can play as a striker, too. He's also bigger and stronger than KDB and does a lot of defensive work.

 

I'm not saying one is better than the other, it's just they are not exactly the same type of player. KDB is more of a playmaker who can play both centrally and on the wing. Shurrle is a forward, who can either play as a center forward or winger.

 

schurrle is 2cm taller than de bruyne (towering, really) and i dont hink hes stronger

 

and what ive heard from leverkusen fans is that he can be quite lazy in defense

 

theyre not the same type of player but if we are looking to bolster our AM options i dont see why are we looking past de bruyne

 

im really not comfortable with letting this kind of player go

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EoG5s49jTI

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schurrle is 2cm taller than de bruyne (towering, really) and i dont hink hes stronger

 

and what ive heard from leverkusen fans is that he can be quite lazy in defense

 

theyre not the same type of player but if we are looking to bolster our AM options i dont see why are we looking past de bruyne

I think it's more like 4cm but you're right he is not as much bigger as I initially thought. The fact that he's lazy in defence comes as a news to me but I guess we won't know until(and if) he joins us.

 

Who said we're looking to bolster our AM options? If anything, we overstocked in that area. We've got Benayoun and Marin who will most definitely leave, Kakuta, who'll probaly join them on the way out  and Piazon, who may or may not come back.

 

Plus, the awesome foursome (Mazacar and Moses) that are playing regularly, won't go anywhere anytime soon and will be tough to displace. 

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I think it's more like 4cm but you're right he is not as much bigger as I initially thought. The fact that he's lazy in defence comes as a news to me but I guess we won't know until(and if) he joins us.

 

Who said we're looking to bolster our AM options? If anything, we overstocked in that area. We've got Benayoun and Marin who will most definitely leave, Kakuta, who'll probaly join them on the way out  and Piazon, who may or may not come back.

 

Plus, the awesome foursome (Mazacar and Moses) that are playing regularly, won't go anywhere anytime soon and will be tough to displace.

 

de bruyne is twice the player moses is or ever will be. and id argue de bruyne is better than oscar

 

if we dont need anymore options at AM why are we buying an AM that can play as a striker? just get a proper striker and be done with it. no matter how you turn it, buying schurrle and letting de bruyne go does not make sense

 

de bruyne is one of the best midfielders in the bundesliga, a league that has 2 clubs in the CL semis. werder must be thanking their lucky stars we let him go on loan because theyd be going down if it werent for him

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As a club were now may have to make money to spend money due to ffp, what better way than to sign promising young talent, showcase them on loan, cash in then sign the first team player you are actually after. we have been hoovering up plenty of young uns lately.

 

-buy de bruyne for 6M

 

-sell him for 17M, making a profit of 11M

 

-spend 20M on an inferior player (schurrle), or, best case scenario, just as good as KDB

 

-9M down the drain and we havent improved our squad

 

 

i just dont see how that fits into the whole FFP thing

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-buy de bruyne for 6M

 

-sell him for 17M, making a profit of 11M

 

-spend 20M on an inferior player (schurrle), or, best case scenario, just as good as KDB

 

-9M down the drain and we havent improved our squad

 

 

i just dont see how that fits into the whole FFP thing

Schurle in your opinion is inferior, maybe not in the clubs opinion. Also its not something I meant exclusive to this transfer.

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de bruyne is twice the player moses is or ever will be. and id argue de bruyne is better than oscar

 

if we dont need anymore options at AM why are we buying an AM that can play as a striker? just get a proper striker and be done with it. no matter how you turn it, buying schurrle and letting de bruyne go does not make sense

 

de bruyne is one of the best midfielders in the bundesliga, a league that has 2 clubs in the CL semis. werder must be thanking their lucky stars we let him go on loan because theyd be going down if it werent for him

 

 

You're stating your views as facts. They aren't. Better than Oscar? I don't think so. But you have a right for your opinion, of course.

 

Shurrle is not an AM, who can play as a striker. He's a striker, who can play either centrally or wide. You're also calling Shurrle an inferior player and that, according to Leverkusen fans, he's lazy on the defensive end. So how can you so categorically state his merits as a player, if you have to base your view of him on what others said instead of watching the player and draw your own conclusions? And since they're two different footballers with different roles, I don't think the club looks to replace one with another, anyway. They may see a place for both in the CFC squad, who knows.

 

I watch Bundesliga fairly regularly, although it's mostly Bayern and Dortmund games. I've seen both Shurrle and KDB a few times and I believe, they're both talents with serious potential.

 

I never said we should sell KDB, I just said, we should view it as an option worth exploring. There are other areas in our squad in bigger need of improvement and with upcoming FFP we need to run the club as business and stop losing money. In short, we have to make money in order to spend money. Players like Ferreira, Malouda, Benayoun etc, won't fetch much, if anything, on the market, that's why we look to just offload them on a free to at least save on their wages. But to generate some real income, we have to face the reality and at times make tough decisions, including selling some young talent, that may not find enough playing time to satisfy their ambitions at CFC.

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