mickyg Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) Is it mainly player motivation or mainly tactical savvy? Edited March 11, 2014 by mickyg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonty Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 What makes him so special is that he is a master of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerqueen Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 How does Jose do it ? I'd LOVE to find out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I like to think of myself as the Jose of the U9's play for fun football and as such I think I can help answer this question. He understands his players and is so tuned in to each and every one's wants and needs that he says and does the right thing by them (those that he trusts, the others he gets shot of), that means that every players that he puts his faith in becomes that player that will run through a brick wall for their manager. He instills a true and complete team ethic into the group (again those that he trusts) which means the players are willing to put everything on the line for each other. He takes the time to understand the oppositions strengths and weaknesses and to consider how to negate one and expose the other (more than one option so that he can change it if the first plan isn't working). He understands his own teams (and the individuals in it) strengths and weaknesses and builds upon those strengths while working to reduce the weaknesses. In short he (and therefore I) is the ultimate all round manager in football, he doesn't have one strength, his strength is that he has many strengths!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coco Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Tactical genius, the rest of his persona is just a cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
January Blues Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Spot on! Everything about the chap is genius, he's one of a kind. Mourinho is a man of many talents, the mind games, comments about Wenger & Pellegrini, he knows what he's doing, he's destroying them psychologically! Just as George Groves did with Carl Froch prior to their first fight.. Groves went in the underdog, had the boxing world against him, but he came out being cheered... That's Mourinho, with his comments & the way he is, anyone who isn't Chelsea stands against Chelsea, but Mourinho is a winner, he's a champion, so he'll always prevail. Tactically, like a magician, as mentioned, he understands the ins & outs of his team.. He gets to know his players, their strengths & weaknesses, what will work right against certain opposition... For example, the 1 nil win at Man City in the league was preparation at its finest, nobody else has gone there and played how we played, allowing them no time on the ball, closing them down when they had possession etc. Sometimes you need luck, Man United have had luck for many a year winning the league back to back.. But this season, I do believe it's ours. That 1 nil win at Man City will be crucial, the last minute penalty against West Brom at the Bridge to secure a point, that'll be vital too.. Was that luck? How about the times Man U have had 'Fergie times' and secured all three points or as we did vs. the Baggies, got back in to the game to secure a point.. After decades of success was Alex Ferguson not deemed the greatest manager the sport has ever seen? I think so. When all is said & done, people will look back at the greatest manager the world has ever witnessed, and that will be Jose Mourinho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonty Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Tactical genius, the rest of his persona is just a cover. I don't buy this, comments from ex-players along the lines of "he made us absolutely hate losing" say otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I don't buy this, comments from ex-players along the lines of "he made us absolutely hate losing" say otherwise. I think he meant his public persona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonty Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I think he meant his public persona. ah in that case I agree but I think the public persona is for his own enjoyment more so than giving any great benefit to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_super_class Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 He's a special manager, god gifted. When he retires he will go down as probably the greatest manager of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zola Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 He plays football manager at home and then does the exact opposite of what the game says you should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondada da boss Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I like to think of myself as the Jose of the U9's play for fun football and as such I think I can help answer this question. He understands his players and is so tuned in to each and every one's wants and needs that he says and does the right thing by them (those that he trusts, the others he gets shot of), that means that every players that he puts his faith in becomes that player that will run through a brick wall for their manager. He instills a true and complete team ethic into the group (again those that he trusts) which means the players are willing to put everything on the line for each other. He takes the time to understand the oppositions strengths and weaknesses and to consider how to negate one and expose the other (more than one option so that he can change it if the first plan isn't working). He understands his own teams (and the individuals in it) strengths and weaknesses and builds upon those strengths while working to reduce the weaknesses. In short he (and therefore I) is the ultimate all round manager in football, he doesn't have one strength, his strength is that he has many strengths!!! I like to think of myself as the Jose of the U9's play for fun football and as such I think I can help answer this question. He understands his players and is so tuned in to each and every one's wants and needs that he says and does the right thing by them (those that he trusts, the others he gets shot of), that means that every players that he puts his faith in becomes that player that will run through a brick wall for their manager. He instills a true and complete team ethic into the group (again those that he trusts) which means the players are willing to put everything on the line for each other. He takes the time to understand the oppositions strengths and weaknesses and to consider how to negate one and expose the other (more than one option so that he can change it if the first plan isn't working). He understands his own teams (and the individuals in it) strengths and weaknesses and builds upon those strengths while working to reduce the weaknesses. In short he (and therefore I) is the ultimate all round manager in football, he doesn't have one strength, his strength is that he has many strengths!!! spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM7 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Will Jose be rated better than Fergie when he retires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 spot on! So good you quoted it twice. Thanks for the vote of confidence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eight Times Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 It's a shame Clough isn't alive, I'd love to know what he thinks of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englishman Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 It's a shame Clough isn't alive, I'd love to know what he thinks of him. Clough hails the new Brian Clough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_super_class Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Will Jose be rated better than Fergie when he retires? Well its hard to say because both have done something the other hasn't. Ferguson was able to stay at one club for 26 years and build team after team and get continued success, but he never went to a Spain or an Italy and had to achieve instant success. Mourinho has done this but he also needs to show that he can stay at one club for a long time and build maybe 2-3 teams and get continued success, if he does this he will yes. Ferguson also for me underachieved in Europe with Utd, yes 2 CL titles is good but he should of got more. Mourinho already has 2 and is likely to get more hopefully with us. Mourinho also to me seems better tactically than Ferguson was and had a better head to head record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englishman Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I heard Gabriele Marcotti discussing this a while back. He said it's striking that very few players who have played for Mourinho have anything negative to say about him, even off the record. He said he's only come across two Chelsea players (Mutu and Shevchenko if I recall) who were critical of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegraham Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Well its hard to say because both have done something the other hasn't. Ferguson was able to stay at one club for 26 years and build team after team and get continued success, but he never went to a Spain or an Italy and had to achieve instant success. Mourinho has done this but he also needs to show that he can stay at one club for a long time and build maybe 2-3 teams and get continued success, if he does this he will yes. Ferguson also for me underachieved in Europe with Utd, yes 2 CL titles is good but he should of got more. Mourinho already has 2 and is likely to get more hopefully with us. Mourinho also to me seems better tactically than Ferguson was and had a better head to head record. That's excactly how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barak81 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Can only add to what has already has be said and probably repeat to some degree. Jose very early on for me looked like an updated version of Clough. Understanding how to use every little detail to his advantage, including the media. Classic example is a game against barca, I believe we "watered" the pitch trying to affect the preferred style of the opposition. Cloughie did exactly that at Derby county in the old European cup. Move over Jose's relationship with his players is second to now. When people like Zlatan say they would go to war for Jose that is quite some statement. We have seen managers come and go but it's only Jose that had drogba in tears, stating "this can't be happening"!! This relationship gets that extra percentage out of players. He also keeps things very simple. All the prep he puts in, the complex assessment of rival runs... that's essentially to make life simpler for his players, almost making things robotic. (another cloughie trait) Add to all of that he is actually just a lot smarter then his opposite numbers and as such a step ahead most of the time. It's also interesting that the players are now regurgitating the same mantra as Jose. Terry and his post match interview after spuds, "city still have the best squad and the best team, city are still favioret" I also see Eden has said more or less the same today. More evidence of Jose getting every one on the same page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonblue Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Will Jose be rated better than Fergie when he retires? Fergie has already retired. So, yes, Jose is better than Fergie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venom2011 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) Tactical genius, the rest of his persona is just a cover. His tactical nous is a strength but it is not what makes him special. It isn't generally the formation, the individual player instructions, or exploiting opponent weaknesses - he has intimated this a few times. Most fans have an idea of how he will set up the team in the next game, and that if things aren't working he will be quick to change a player or position. But Jose is pure charisma. He makes people believe and he can influence just about anyone. He speaks and you listen. Countless pundits and players have given evidence to this aspect of his character. If he wanted to start a religion, he would have a massive congregation within a month. What you see in our recent games isn't a massive tactical shift after a poor first half, it is a change in the determination and drive of the team. That is his influence. That is what he demands. And that is what makes him special. Edited March 12, 2014 by venom2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youlots Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Probably in much the same way that everybody else does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zola Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) Mourinho has already eclipsed Fergie for me...3 European cups, 3 different teams, 7 league campaigns with 4 different clubs. As time goes by this record will only improve. People say he needs the money to help build for major success - so did Fergie....except Mou did the Euro cup with a vastly depleted side compared to other clubs. Special one. Edited March 12, 2014 by Zola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barak81 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Mourinho has already eclipsed Fergie for me...3 European cups, 3 different teams, 7 league campaigns with 4 different clubs. As time goes by this record will only improve. People say he needs the money to help build for major success - so did Fergie....except Mou did the Euro cup with a vastly depleted side compared to other clubs. Special one. Add to that 1 Uefa cup, and 6 domestic cups?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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