Bertrand Traore has now scored three in three games for Vitesse  and the goal he scored last night was an absolute belter, try and see this on You Tube if you can !!

He is now holding down a first team place and Dutch commentators say he looks like the real deal. Maybe if we are going to get rid of Torres, Ba and Eto'o, possibly even Lukaku, then Traore must surely be one of the first team striking options for the new Season.

 

Thorgan Hazard also scored again yesterday, two in two for him.

http://www.footytube.com/video/bertrand-traore-267375?ref=wv_relbox 

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Edited April 14, 201412 yr by Mike 93

None of these youth players will get a lookin at the team; whether it's the academy players (who have been doing brilliantly), or these loanees. But I think in the future we may see more brought in as we have little choice with FFP constraints. 

None of these youth players will get a lookin at the team; whether it's the academy players (who have been doing brilliantly), or these loanees. But I think in the future we may see more brought in as we have little choice with FFP constraints. 

 

If they are good enough they will. 

Not sure about that. 

Not sure about that. 

 

Which let go youth player deserved a lookin?

It is impossible to say that; I can look at some who looked promising in their younger years but weren't integrated into the team. Hard to say how much better they would've been featuring in with the first team after time. But I won't buy into the idea that "none of them are good enough" as a lot seem to have, because we have enough resources and investment there to produce good players -- like other top clubs should do. 

 

Looking at games from the youth league, cup etc. how we're doing very well against other teams (only to go out to Schalke 04 -- the best academy in Germany). Is it really hard to be believe that there may be a few good players who have lots of natural talent and are developing at a good rate? Of course it isn't. But the short-termism established by Abramovich makes it harder to get these players in -- there is a requirement for instant success, so there is quite a bit of pressure for a manager to do well. Hence, what is he going to do? Buy the already established players. And then, the ones that may impress a manager would get a lookin, but then that manager gets dismissed for not meeting his demands of success, and then it becomes harder for a youth player to establish trust between the next manager. They get loaned continually where, if they were slowly integrated into teams then they would receive a better development. And I don't think it's very good for a player to continually play under different managers in terms of their development. 

 

JT being our only youth product in the past 15 years that's gotten into the first team is dreadful really. Have any cemented a continual position since RA took over?

 

McEachran is an interesting case. You can see obvious similarities between him and Wilshere. Now what? McEachran has 11 league appearance for Chelsea and is struggling to get into a championship team, whilst Wilshere is an established English international with almost 100 premier league appearances to his name. There is no stability here; which may have then resulted in the hindrance of young Josh. 

 

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José Mourinho over the years also places minimal emphasis on developing young raw players which makes it further unlikely. You can speak about Varane or whatever but that was only because he was forced to. The likes of Hazard don't count because he was already a senior top player being coveted by clubs all across Europe. 

 

Doesn't even have to be from our own academy tbh. 

 

Youth development in the UK isn't the best barring a few clubs right now like Southampton or Everton, but even so, it shouldn't be this low for us. 

Edited April 14, 201412 yr by MANoWAR

eddie newton works as player liason for all our loanees...anyway, tonight on Chelsea tv he spoke well of traore, but seemed far more positive about atsu, our summer signing from porto...really backing him for big future in the game...

 

on a side note, also very upbeat about omeruo and chalobah  and way they're playing at boro

Too early for Traore yet, this is his first season playing first team football and thats only been since the new year. Should go back to Vitesse next season where he can enjoy his football and play week in week out.

Dunno why Josh not living up to his hype is Chelseas fault. When is it the players fault and not ours.

 

At our level 99% of academy players won't make it. That's the harsh reality you must accept.

He did look very promosing in pre season and looks very acomplished for his years.

If he is doing well maybe another loan next season then he will be ready.

Is he a Striker? I thought he played midfield for us during the pre season games. Interesting if he is a striker, we haven't many youth strikers but 100s of midfielders.  

 

Agree totally on the Instant success/youth development conflict, especially with Roman breathing down the neck of the manager.

Is he a Striker? I thought he played midfield for us during the pre season games. Interesting if he is a striker, we haven't many youth strikers but 100s of midfielders.  

 

Agree totally on the Instant success/youth development conflict, especially with Roman breathing down the neck of the manager.

 

Main position: Right Wing

Secondary positions: Left Wing & Centre Forward

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/bertrand-traore/profil/spieler_131996.html

If we could fit 6 attacking midfielders for 3 positions Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Schurrle, Salah, Traore ? Another player who could come in would be Piazon, giving us 7 AM's.

Edited April 15, 201412 yr by coco

If they are good enough they will.

I remember being livid we sold Stoch, but besides a couple wonder goals in Turkey, seems like we made the right choice. I agree with you and think that our staff will identify anyone on loan or in youth as good enough.

Dunno why Josh not living up to his hype is Chelseas fault. When is it the players fault and not ours.

 

At our level 99% of academy players won't make it. That's the harsh reality you must accept.

Yes, most of them won't make it which is the main problem here... however, not sure how one can say it's all Josh's fault and nothing to do with the club? 

 

But anyways, is that all you're picking out  -- so are you disagreeing with most of it? I fail to see what I said was really incorrect tbh, or why many people seem to disagree too? I'd actually be interested in hearing the opinions of those who liked your comment. What's 'at our level' meant to mean anyways...? 

 

Tis a shame many people here will never put any fault onto the club itself and always the players  . Oh well. 

Edited April 16, 201412 yr by MANoWAR

The constant change of managers means everyone comes in have to bring established players for instant success, no will will take risks with 20 year olds coming from the youth team. I think us fans are guilty too, the knee jerk reaction after a bad result is usually ' bring us player XXX or else'. If Jose could stay for 5 years, and is true to his words, we may see 2-3 guys get into the team, but I won't bet much money on it.

Good point with regards to the fans; there's a lot of expectation based on the money we spend as well so perhaps managers are further reluctant to use raw, young players. 

The constant change of managers means everyone comes in have to bring established players for instant success, no will will take risks with 20 year olds coming from the youth team. I think us fans are guilty too, the knee jerk reaction after a bad result is usually ' bring us player XXX or else'. If Jose could stay for 5 years, and is true to his words, we may see 2-3 guys get into the team, but I won't bet much money on it.

It would be great, but it's difficult to find a title contender in any top league that successfully promotes academy players regularly. No one is 'guilty', it's just the way it is. Jose will always have external and internal pressures to perform. This was always going to be a transition season but at the same time we desperately need a CL spot to continue the evolution - and because of our inability to put teams away, rotation has been at a minimum. Either we forgo the title challenge and promote youngsters or we evolve to a point where we can comfortably maintain performance levels and then introduce them. This squad is not quite ready for the latter.

I think Atsu could make it. An actual left footer who prefers playing on the left and can also use his right.

Two-footed players are a nightmare to play against in real life. You just don't know which way they'll go. I'm surprised there isn't a greater emphasis on developing two-footed attackers. Such a big advantage.

Edited April 16, 201412 yr by Foggy

Yes, most of them won't make it which is the main problem here... however, not sure how one can say it's all Josh's fault and nothing to do with the club? 

 

But anyways, is that all you're picking out  -- so are you disagreeing with most of it? I fail to see what I said was really incorrect tbh, or why many people seem to disagree too? I'd actually be interested in hearing the opinions of those who liked your comment. What's 'at our level' meant to mean anyways...? 

 

Tis a shame many people here will never put any fault onto the club itself and always the players  . Oh well. 

 

We give them the best training facilities, pay them the highest wages, put them in some of the best youth competitions, they probably also have the pick of clubs to go on loan to when the time comes. If they struggle to impress after all that what is Chelsea supposed to do? It's like blaming the school system for failing the exam you didn't study for.

 

Our level is one of the top teams in Europe. A level that most players will never reach. 90% of well known kids don't make it to the very top level.

 

To blame the club is to have unrealistic expectations. I think it's a grand total of 0 academy players we have let go have actually done something for themselves.

 

On top of all that the Club is only really guilty of not having too many dead rubber games to play kids. Besides the COC we really can't risk untested players as the PL is far more competitive than the BL etc. Munich can play kiddos for the rest of the season as they already won it where as we need to be flawless for the rest of the season.

We give them the best training facilities, pay them the highest wages, put them in some of the best youth competitions, they probably also have the pick of clubs to go on loan to when the time comes. If they struggle to impress after all that what is Chelsea supposed to do? It's like blaming the school system for failing the exam you didn't study for.

Our level is one of the top teams in Europe. A level that most players will never reach. 90% of well known kids don't make it to the very top level.

To blame the club is to have unrealistic expectations. I think it's a grand total of 0 academy players we have let go have actually done something for themselves.

On top of all that the Club is only really guilty of not having too many dead rubber games to play kids. Besides the COC we really can't risk untested players as the PL is far more competitive than the BL etc. Munich can play kiddos for the rest of the season as they already won it where as we need to be flawless for the rest of the season.

To be fair to some degree I think we overloan players.. Josh for instance, I'd be really intrested to see how well he would do if we lumped him in next to matic now, I'm guessing he would do very well.

On the boy traore, I noticed they are playing home up front instead of in midfield.. good be an interesting striker prospect for us.

To be fair to some degree I think we overloan players.. Josh for instance, I'd be really intrested to see how well he would do if we lumped him in next to matic now, I'm guessing he would do very well.

On the boy traore, I noticed they are playing home up front instead of in midfield.. good be an interesting striker prospect for us.

 

Have you watched him much at Wigan? I think hed do fairly poorly tbh. Ive not seen him much at Wigan, but Ive caught 3 or 4 games and despite his one through ball against Charlton 2 and a half months ago, he has been fairly average and looked like a player whos not destined to play above the Championship. 

Speaking of players that we have let go that "would not have made it for us"

 

Anyone who thinks Jack Cork, and Scott Sinclair wouldnt add to our squad right now would be silly.

 

Sinclair was gazumped and ruined at City, but I think the two of them would have been more than worthy squad players.

 

Traore is genuinely exciting, we knew this after his pre-season last summer. Think he needs more gametime than we can offer atm however.

Anyone who thinks Jack Cork, and Scott Sinclair wouldnt add to our squad right now would be silly.

 

They would be downgrades to what we currently have. Ruined at city? No. Not good enough for City yes.

 

At least they are making premier league careers though. Not many do even that.