Far too soon.

He got what 15 minutes tonight when we were backs to the wall away from home.

Unless you sign Messi or Ronaldo your not going to get a player who lights up right from the word go.

So far just looks like Willian with an even worse hair cut.

 

Hopefully will improve.

 

And get a better hair cut.,

You mean the bloke who's played roughly a total of 100 minutes of football for us?

Yes that one, I'm giving my initial impression on him so far... I thought I illustrated that point quite clearly?

Far too soon.

He got what 15 minutes tonight when we were backs to the wall away from home.

Unless you sign Messi or Ronaldo your not going to get a player who lights up right from the word go.

But in those 15 minutes he looked clumsy and had a poor touch.

I'm not expecting him too take on the whole opposition team and score a robana at the end of it but I'm just commenting on what I've seen so far, like I said some players you can just see the class oozing through even when they're new to a club, so far I'm not getting that.

He'll probably do a job but my initial impression is that he isn't going to actually improve the starting XI.

Different people see different things I suppose. I thought I saw enough in the Everton game (the only game you can judge him on really) to suggest he'll be a clear improvement on Schurrle and even worthy of a starting spot ahead of Oscar.

It's really too soon to judge though as Chelsbear says, but I have no doubts this fellow is going to be a star for us.

He needs more play time and I hope he won't end up like Mo Salah.

Edited February 18, 201511 yr by Michael440

have to admit, one of the things I've seen albeit in his little time so far, is his first touch seems to be very heavy

Last night was exactly the sort of game where I would like to have seen Schurrle come on and make an impact. That was his trouble in the end, when he started he didn't have many great games but could be a game changer off the bench. I know Cuadrado only got about 15 minutes last night but he looked lost and clumsy.

 

Still VERY early days, but we are at the crunch stage of the season where we cannot afford passengers and we need players to make an impact. Would like to see him start against Burnley and show what he can do.

cant judge him for that 15 mins last night. We didn't even have the ball.

Edited February 18, 201511 yr by big blue

cant judge him for that 15 mins last night. We didn't even have the ball.

This is it.

I mean comments like he was clumsy are a bit much because Ramires, Matic, Azpi and countless others were clumsy all game with poor passes and touches.

When he came on we were not attacking which is what he is, we were backs to wall trying to save what we already had.

Hazard for example took a good few weeks to start showing what he could do when he came in as did countless others, it's only really Costa and Matic who had instant success from the word go really.

I'm not expecting great things from this guy until next season, coming in late January into a new team, tactics, coaches etc takes time IMO

I'm not expecting great things from this guy until next season, coming in late January into a new team, tactics, coaches etc takes time IMO

 

Matic came in during January last season, was instantly first choice and immediately showed his class. 

 

For a player we've paid £27m for, who is 27 years old, me personally, I don't think they should need a 6 month bedding in period. 

 

We sold a sold a World Cup winner and loaned out another winger to accommodate this guy, for me he has to start delivering pretty quickly after his arrival to justify that amount of upheaval in the squad otherwise it was a bad decision to make the transfer in January and we should have held onto Schurrle and/or Salah and waited until the summer.

 

We've obviously made the transfers because we think it's going to make the squad stronger and I would like to hope we'll see evidence of that sooner rather than later especially with Willian hobbling off last night.  

Matic came in during January last season, was instantly first choice and immediately showed his class.

For a player we've paid £27m for, who is 27 years old, me personally, I don't think they should need a 6 month bedding in period.

We sold a sold a World Cup winner and loaned out another winger to accommodate this guy, for me he has to start delivering pretty quickly after his arrival to justify that amount of upheaval in the squad otherwise it was a bad decision to make the transfer in January and we should have held onto Schurrle and/or Salah and waited until the summer.

We've obviously made the transfers because we think it's going to make the squad stronger and I would like to hope we'll see evidence of that sooner rather than later especially with Willian hobbling off last night.

Schurrle is of course a World Cup winner but he wasn't a starter for that German side and he was on the decline with us before we choose to sell him.

I agree we shouldn't have sold when we did and just waited till the summer but we don't take training or know what's going on behind the scenes. Jose and comments from Schurrle suggest he wasted to go so maybe we had to act now rather than later when the price may have went down?

Matic came in and made an instant impact but maybe that's down to a few factors like being used to his surroundings, club, players since his previous stint?

I'd love to see Cuardado come in and perform straight away but realistically that tends not to happen mid season.

Schurrle is of course a World Cup winner but he wasn't a starter for that German side and he was on the decline with us before we choose to sell him.

I agree we shouldn't have sold when we did and just waited till the summer but we don't take training or know what's going on behind the scenes. Jose and comments from Schurrle suggest he wasted to go so maybe we had to act now rather than later when the price may have went down?

Matic came in and made an instant impact but maybe that's down to a few factors like being used to his surroundings, club, players since his previous stint?

I'd love to see Cuardado come in and perform straight away but realistically that tends not to happen mid season.

 

Personally I don't think Schurrle was in decline, for whatever reason Jose seemed to have made his mind up about him and me personally, I didn't agree with him being subbed off at half time twice in a short space of time, especially when it was clear he was working his way back to match fitness, a lot of other players are given a lot more chances than that when playing poorly. 

 

Schurrle said he didn't want to leave but due to a lack of playing time he went... First game for Wolfsburg, he bags two assists and rattles the crossbar. 

 

Previous January signings such as David Luiz, Gary Cahill, Nicolas Anelka, Matic, have come in and made an impact straight after signing. 

 

Cuadrado, at £27m and at the expense of two other attacking players has to make a similar impact for me. 

Personally I don't think Schurrle was in decline, for whatever reason Jose seemed to have made his mind up about him and me personally, I didn't agree with him being subbed off at half time twice in a short space of time, especially when it was clear he was working his way back to match fitness, a lot of other players are given a lot more chances than that when playing poorly.

Schurrle said he didn't want to leave but due to a lack of playing time he went... First game for Wolfsburg, he bags two assists and rattles the crossbar.

Previous January signings such as David Luiz, Gary Cahill, Nicolas Anelka, Matic, have come in and made an impact straight after signing.

Cuadrado, at £27m and at the expense of two other attacking players has to make a similar impact for me.

You mention Nicolas Anelka, the only other attacking player in that list like Cuadrado. He looked like a complete flop for half a season (1 league goal in 14) and then as we know went on to win the golden boot next season.

Suarez signed in January and looked quite average that season. He is now probably considered the best January signing ever.

I'm not saying Cuadrado will take time to settle. Just that there are examples both ways, but in any case I think we have immediately strengthened the squad with this signing. Salah was a non factor and Schurrle was just not very good.

Can't remember this amount of scrutiny on a signing after playing just 100 minutes of football, or maybe my memory is just bad.

Edited February 18, 201511 yr by footballoholic

In fairness it was a horrible situation for an attacking player to come into, we were being battered and pushed right back, Remy also came on and did nothing at all remember.

Can't remember this amount of scrutiny on a signing after playing just 100 minutes of football, or maybe my memory is just bad.

 

It not just the player himself but the circumstance in which he has been signed that I am looking at, we've clearly bent over backwards to bring the guy in by offloading both Schurrle and Salah. 

 

What I'm saying is, with clearly reduced attacking number the guy needs to deliver pretty quick, we can't afford for him to have an extended bedding in period and when he's coming on and showing a touch so heavy that even Lukaku would wince at the sight of it, it's not filling me with much initial confidence. 

It not just the player himself but the circumstance in which he has been signed that I am looking at, we've clearly bent over backwards to bring the guy in by offloading both Schurrle and Salah. 

 

What I'm saying is, with clearly reduced attacking number the guy needs to deliver pretty quick, we can't afford for him to have an extended bedding in period and when he's coming on and showing a touch so heavy that even Lukaku would wince at the sight of it, it's not filling me with much initial confidence. 

Have to agree with FC here, at the moment it looks like city have done the better business out of the two of us. You buy in January to give you something extra you didn’t have before. Squad players can be picked up in the summer and promoted from the youth team.

Regarding Jose’s comments about waiting till next season to see the best of him, he said exactly the same about Mo Salah and we never saw him at all this season

So far I have seen nothing from jaun to suggest it was worth the moves we have made in Jan. That’s not to say he won’t be a success but I was secretly hoping for the second coming of robben 

It not just the player himself but the circumstance in which he has been signed that I am looking at, we've clearly bent over backwards to bring the guy in by offloading both Schurrle and Salah. 

 

What I'm saying is, with clearly reduced attacking number the guy needs to deliver pretty quick, we can't afford for him to have an extended bedding in period and when he's coming on and showing a touch so heavy that even Lukaku would wince at the sight of it, it's not filling me with much initial confidence. 

 

Selling Schurrle was ultimately a no-brainer for the fee and loaning Salah made sense too so we've hardly 'bent over backwards'.

 

Give him a chance in the proper team, with Costa, Cesc and Oscar around him and see how he goes. Until that happens it's unfair to judge him because we're a much poorer team without those guys.

 

Have to agree with FC here, at the moment it looks like city have done the better business out of the two of us. 

 

Which answers the question 'what's dafter than judging a player on 91 minutes of first-team action?'

 

Judging a player on 0 minutes of first-team action.

 

Bravo.

Selling Schurrle was ultimately a no-brainer for the fee and loaning Salah made sense too so we've hardly 'bent over backwards'.

Give him a chance in the proper team, with Costa, Cesc and Oscar around him and see how he goes. Until that happens it's unfair to judge him because we're a much poorer team without those guys.

Which answers the question 'what's dafter than judging a player on 91 minutes of first-team action?'

Judging a player on 0 minutes of first-team action.

Bravo.

Are you a journalist?

Selling Schurrle was ultimately a no-brainer for the fee and loaning Salah made sense too so we've hardly 'bent over backwards'.

 

Give him a chance in the proper team, with Costa, Cesc and Oscar around him and see how he goes. Until that happens it's unfair to judge him because we're a much poorer team without those guys.

 

Question I would ask, is a 24 year old Schurrle worth less than a 27 year old Cuadrado? 

 

Time will tell obviously but Cuardrado isn't going to have any resale value... You yourself have highlighted about Willian on a few occasions that because we paid £30m for him there wouldn't be any clubs likely to match that fee were we to be inclined to sell him. 

 

It feel likes a very intentional and premeditated change to the squad and at the moment I'm just eager to see some suggestion that it was in fact a change for the better. 

It not just the player himself but the circumstance in which he has been signed that I am looking at, we've clearly bent over backwards to bring the guy in by offloading both Schurrle and Salah.

What I'm saying is, with clearly reduced attacking number the guy needs to deliver pretty quick, we can't afford for him to have an extended bedding in period and when he's coming on and showing a touch so heavy that even Lukaku would wince at the sight of it, it's not filling me with much initial confidence.

Schurrle and Salah were barely featuring for us, and even when they did feature their performances were so poor that Jose could hardly afford to rotate the squad. Cuadrado would have to get off to some kind of bad start to at least not be an improvement on that.

That last line makes me feel like we're watching different players. I'm not going to judge him on cameos against Villa and PSG. But in the Everton game, I thought he showed a good touch, decent movement and some serious pace.

Selling Schurrle was ultimately a no-brainer for the fee and loaning Salah made sense too so we've hardly 'bent over backwards'.

Give him a chance in the proper team, with Costa, Cesc and Oscar around him and see how he goes. Until that happens it's unfair to judge him because we're a much poorer team without those guys.

Which answers the question 'what's dafter than judging a player on 91 minutes of first-team action?'

Judging a player on 0 minutes of first-team action.

Bravo.

Also, I have seen quite a lot of Boney, big Ivorian striker who is the calendar year top scorer in the league that we play in.. So based on that city's purchase was much lower risk.

Most people can be wise after the fact, some people never.

Have to agree with FC here, at the moment it looks like city have done the better business out of the two of us. You buy in January to give you something extra you didn’t have before. Squad players can be picked up in the summer and promoted from the youth team.

Regarding Jose’s comments about waiting till next season to see the best of him, he said exactly the same about Mo Salah and we never saw him at all this season

So far I have seen nothing from jaun to suggest it was worth the moves we have made in Jan. That’s not to say he won’t be a success but I was secretly hoping for the second coming of robben

Exactly, and we went out there and bought possibly the best right winger that was available, something which we didn't have before. Helps that he is also not cup tied for the champions league. You buy with a long term vision, not just looking at the next 6 months alone.

City have gone and bought a player who is very similar to Dzeko. Has similarly poor work rate and if they are going to be forced to play him and Aguero together in the big games, they will have problems. That to me is a not a great buy, but as with Cuadrado, I'll wait before judging.

Edited February 18, 201511 yr by footballoholic

Also, I have seen quite a lot of Boney, big Ivorian striker who is the calendar year top scorer in the league that we play in.. So based on that city's purchase was much lower risk.

Most people can be wise after the fact, some people never.

 

How many times have you seen him play for City? How well has he adapted to their style of football? How well does he play with the likes of Silva and Aguero?

 

Not saying he won't be a success but I won't be writing him off after 91 minutes because that would be ridiculous.

 

 

Question I would ask, is a 24 year old Schurrle worth less than a 27 year old Cuadrado? 

 

Time will tell obviously but Cuardrado isn't going to have any resale value... You yourself have highlighted about Willian on a few occasions that because we paid £30m for him there wouldn't be any clubs likely to match that fee were we to be inclined to sell him. 

 

It feel likes a very intentional and premeditated change to the squad and at the moment I'm just eager to see some suggestion that it was in fact a change for the better. 

 

Good points but there's simply no way to know at this point. Wait until the Burnley match at least to see if he starts and gets some time alongside the players that someone like Willian has had hundreds of minutes with.