Ahem ahem!  DAMN with an N!  Wicked Yorkley!

Not round these parts, y'all!

Not round these parts, y'all!

 

 

I forgot you'd moved to a non-spelling  zone.  Sorry, poppet!

I wonder if Roman regrets the new deal he gave Jose. If he had not done that would Jose be gone already?

Jose did say if Roman ever wanted him gone he would walk, implied it was not about the money. Could well be we see if that is true if this keeps going on.

That or Roman supports Jose and a big squad clear out occurs in the next 2 windows.

It's a strange one, this is the squad that cantered to the title last season. Something isn't right behind the scenes I think.

Ahem ahem!  DAMN with an N!  Wicked Yorkley!

 

And, as you know only too well moi, that's twice I've made the incite error and been picked up on it. Still, at least I'm able to trot out the old 'insight is a wonderful thing' punchline before running for cover again! 

Thinking back to José getting sacked before, didn't he have s bust up with Terry before the Rosenberg game ?

Story at the time was Terry wouldn't come out for the warm up and had to be coaxed out by team mates ?edit....found article on "blue champions" website....don't know how to link, or how much truth is in it, but its an interesting read

according to Claude Makelele, Terry got Mourinho sacked.

Isn't this just life on the whole? How many people ring a customer service department to congratulate a company/service/team on a job well done? Fans are no different in their approach,complacency sets in. People by nature prefer to aire perceived grievance,years ago it was down at the local after the match and on the way home.Today we have an internet forum which is instant.Times change.

 

You beat me to it Charierre - well put.

 

I am as guilty as anyone on posting on here when things are bad. There are only so many times you can come on post to say everything is wonderful or how great we are for winning the PL and how great a player Hazard is. But when things take a dip, we all want our say and we could all do a better job than the manager and want others to understand that!

 

I long for the time when things are all good again in CFC Land so I don't have to keep coming on here to vent my frustrations!

And, as you know only too well moi, that's twice I've made the incite error and been picked up on it. Still, at least I'm able to trot out the old 'insight is a wonderful thing' punchline before running for cover again! 

 

 

You can incite some of the posters on here as much as you like, Dorset!  I think you have earned the right!!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/may/30/chelsea-john-terry-jose-mourinho

I just remember all of the dog stories and scrutiny over that as well, it was out of hand by the time he left, was so so angry that day.

Edited October 1, 201510 yr by IndianaBlue85

That's the Makelele story from his auto, Still think we get this turned around and their is no one I'd rather have than Jose!

Edited October 1, 201510 yr by IndianaBlue85

 

The Guardian tends to look down its nose at our club, no matter the manager, the player, or the issue under discussion, and this week has been no exception. Dominic Fifield is assigned to us, he provides bog standard reports, very little by way of incite, and his articles are seldom opened up to the public for comments. Jose’s picture atop the article in question tells you all you need to know about this newspaper’s attitude to all things Chelsea and further evidence can be found on their Football Weekly podcast, where Barry Glendenning regularly treats us with complete disdain, chivvied along by japing James (Jimbo) Richardson, with loads of fun had by all… at the Chelsea fans expense, of course.

 

Okay, you can accuse me of blind loyalty, paranoia et al, but, if you take the Guardian’s reporting on the fallout from this week’s CL games as an example, you’ll see the point I’m trying to make. Three English teams have three points and one has none, yet the crisis is deemed to be within our camp, while the in-depth debate on the Arsenal is conducted by Amy Lawrence [a self-confessed fan of long standing] who always takes herself to the brink of Wenger criticism before thinking better of it and stepping back - subjective hokey-cokey journalism at its finest. 

 

And just to over-egg coverage of this particular pudding of a performance by Arsene Wenger and his [seemingly] merry men, they assigned top writer Barney Ronay to do the Champions League Sportblog. Note that he also attended the game, but his beautifully constructed prose only serve to make my point for me, as he expertly sidesteps any firsthand witness of a full-on Gunner meltdown, preferring instead to top-and-tail the piece in such a way as to turn it into a Premier League home-truth-telling exercise.             

 

A little more faith in The Guardian as opposed to the others? Not for me. 

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I understand what you are saying, and some fair points made. However, this isn't about Arsenal, or any of the other English clubs. This is an article, written by Field, who I believe does have sources at Chelsea and who I also believe has got wind of the fact that not all is well at our club. 

 

Perhaps the reason no unrest is reported out of castle emirates is because their players are so accustomed to mediocrity that it is no shock to them, or their supporters, to be repeatedly hammered both domestically and in Europe; ergo, no reason for players to be dissatisfied with the status quo. 

 

I truly, genuinely and honestly believe that someone has started squealing to their sources - as i said before that may not be directly from the players, but may well be from an agent, a family member, a friend etc. 

 

I remember watching Sunday Supplement not so long ago and they were talking about how hard it was to write articles with direct quotes because so often things would be said "off the record" and as a result their stories would be disregarded as jackanory, when the reality is that an unhappy player will, 9 times out of 10, squeal to someone about it. The suggestion that Field has therefore just plucked this one out of thin air in an anti-chelsea campaign is, for me, hard to swallow. 

 

I think that this one has legs. It doesnt necessarily mean that everything is falling to pieces, but with Jose's track record I am inclined to think that there is more to this than just some codsh*t rumour in a tabloid rag. It stands to reason, we are rank rotten on the park and the players just do not look happy at all. The fight has gone, and i dont think they look like they are playing for the manager at the moment. 

 

whether there is a solution to the problem from within remains to be seen, but i strongly doubt that many on here or among the wider fanbase would be feeling so generous regards jose's tenure should we lose this weekend and drop points against villa. If the aftermath of the fans around me at Newcastle at the weekend is anything to go by then i honestly believe there will be an increasingly vocal element wanting him gone.

 

I'm on the fence at the moment but unless things improve, I too will want a change.

Signing up to the forum to criticise the manager is not a true fan. Constructive criticism as you put across is more acceptable as you highlighted many different areas in which Jose has let himself and the team down. Everyone knows Ivanovic is a bombscare at the moment and needs dropped, therefore criticising Mourinho for playing him is acceptable.

It's the fans taking the 'sack him now' route on their first post that infuriate me. There is no one better to lead our club out of this mess.

True fan of what? not a true fan of the manager? that's true, it's obvious.. But if ya think other not a true fan of the club just because they don't have the same love as ya do with the manager then have it your own medicine.. --word salad...-- .

^^^ It took me some time to understand what he was trying to say.

 

Word salad indeed.

Isn't this just life on the whole? How many people ring a customer service department to congratulate a company/service/team on a job well done? Fans are no different in their approach,complacency sets in. People by nature prefer to aire perceived grievance,years ago it was down at the local after the match and on the way home.Today we have an internet forum which is instant.Times change.

 

I realise people would ring in to a company with a complaint if  a service was payed for that they weren't happy with and rightly so but for me supporting a club is a bit different, everybody wants the club to succeed and the reactions every time a slump in form comes along almost always call for a new manager, six months or maybe a season later after the grace that the new man is (sometimes) given to settle in and we are not sitting pretty the perpetual whining starts again.

 

I am in it for entertainment as much as anything else but if the team can't get it together I will support the manager until I'm pretty sure he is not going to get it sorted, I judge how long that will take usually with gut instinct and a thought to his past achievements while trying to weigh up the mitigating circumstances that could be adding to his woes.

 

We all have different levels of patience and expectancy but when I look at the manager we have in charge this time (not my favourite by far personality wise) I have to also try to weigh up who could be better qualified, be better prepared, have a better record, or in my opinion be more likely sort out the problems we have.

 

For me Mourinho deserves to be given time to sort it, we are champions because of him and if we get top four this season after a sloppy start, if we win a domestic cup we will have had a decent season and Jose wil have learned a lot more about his players and likely his own approach to games.

 

Next season could well see him with a group of players he has properly sifted through over the course of this season and a few more ideas for the assault on next.

 

I'd much rather have a poor season with Jose and be contemplating him leading us into next than I would welcome another manager in here that I believe is not as good and watch his results go up and down while the Jose out brigade insist it's because he's just arrived then spend close season fully expecting next season to be arguments about him needing his own players, transitions and finding his feet in the prem.

 

I've gone off on a tangent I know as I only meant to answer the part about people coming on to complain but not so much to celebrate...I can't liken it to a company complaints line, for me celebrating and enjoying the good times is more important than complaining and I'd sooner be writing posts about the way we are playing without ripping into certain players or the manager too much.

 

I hope Mourinho doesn't end up at another Premiership club as the poor bloke that ends up here will be compared to him as soon as he loses a game and I can't imagine Jose not hitting the ground running if he leaves us.

If he loses 2 more matches anytime soon I believe something needs to be done and sadly in that case I think we need new manager. We need wins not draws or we will end up in the middle of the table.

neil ashton now reporting specific players that are f**ked off with mourinho and claiming the dressing room has split.

he is very specific about the criticism that individual players have received this season.

doesn't make for good reading at all.

neil ashton now reporting specific players that are f**ked off with mourinho and claiming the dressing room has split.

he is very specific about the criticism that individual players have received this season.

doesn't make for good reading at all.

where's that mate ?

Edit....just read it. Biggest surprise in that piece was that Fabregas has escaped his wrath !

To be fair, if he is bawling players out, they deserve it, the fact that he is having a go at Ivan is great, but the comment to "Dave" seem a little off. Terry has adopted the right attitude, head down and working to get back in the team.

Those players need a kick up the backside, I'm pleased they are getting a rocket from him.

Edited October 2, 201510 yr by mileoffside

where's that mate ?

Edit....just read it. Biggest surprise in that piece was that Fabregas has escaped his wrath !

To be fair, if he is bawling players out, they deserve it, the fact that he is having a go at Ivan is great, but the comment to "Dave" seem a little off. Terry has adopted the right attitude, head down and working to get back in the team.

Those players need a kick up the backside, I'm pleased they are getting a rocket from him.

 

likewise - surprised that dave has been called out, i think he has been nothing short of immaculate and always plays consistently well. 

 

im pleased he is putting rockets up arses too. they need it. at the end of the day there is only so much that the manager can do and ultimately the buck stops with the players as they are the ones who are going out there on the pitch and making an arse of themselves week in, week out. 

 

all the manager can do is change personnel which, for me, he hasnt done effectively. if he makes the changes and its still not working then who knows what the answer is. its like i said before, all that can really be changed at the moment are playing personnel and if that doesnt work then all you can change is the manager. 

 

its stick or twist stuff. f**k knows what the right answer is. 

The manager can change the system as well as personnel. We can all see that Ivanovic and Fabregas need to be dropped but how about reverting to 4-3-3. Extra man in the centre of midfield.Just because 4-2-3-1

is the fashion these days doesn't mean every manager has to slavishly worship it.

True fan of what? not a true fan of the manager? that's true, it's obvious.. But if ya think other not a true fan of the club just because they don't have the same love as ya do with the manager then have it your own medicine.. --word salad...-- .

^^^ word salad. ^^^ doing it wrong.

Jose is not infallible and he does make mistakes. Not once in this entire topic have you provided a sensible reason to release Jose and/or any benefits this would bring to Chelsea. Again, after failing on so many posts, you have also not provided a solution or individual to replace Mourinho and again the benefits of such a change to our club.

Once you have stopped scrambling about this forum for any slight hint of relevance, please try and answer any of the points above, champ.

 

 

I've gone off on a tangent I know as I only meant to answer the part about people coming on to complain but not so much to celebrate...I can't liken it to a company complaints line, for me celebrating and enjoying the good times is more important than complaining and I'd sooner be writing posts about the way we are playing without ripping into certain players or the manager too much.

 

I hope Mourinho doesn't end up at another Premiership club as the poor bloke that ends up here will be compared to him as soon as he loses a game and I can't imagine Jose not hitting the ground running if he leaves us.

 

Fair play to you Chippy - you have always been a glass half full kinda guy! Some of us can't help but have a moan!

 

Like you, I don't want Jose to leave and end up at one of our PL rivals. I don’t get time to read all topics and posts these days and I guess there are some newer forum members saying Jose should go but I think most sensible folk (like myself!) are not calling for his head but do have concerns. 

 

Maybe there is something in the opinion that Mourinho can only manage clubs for a short period and that 3-4 years is the maximum? I didn’t subscribe to that view and when Jose returned thought that he was the ideal man to build a dynasty like Ferguson did. But looking at his track record, he seems to be able to put together a great side wherever he has been but then when that side starts to deteriorate, it’s as if he has almost run out of ideas and looks elsewhere for another project. He IS the perfect example of someone with self-belief and confidence that borders on arrogance but maybe even he is questioning his ability to see this through?

 

I wanted to believe that he was the man to take us forward to success for the next decade and beyond and I still cling on to that, maybe now more in hope than belief. With all the chopping and changing of the squad and arranging loan deals like Falcao, that is not long-term planning and I do have my doubts. People criticise Wenger (rightly) for being stubborn and sticking to his philosophies and beliefs but I think Mourinho too is stubborn in certain ways – the “my way is right and I will persevere”   and I think that is what has disappointed me more than anything in this second stint of his. I wanted to see something fresh and progression but right now it’s anything but.

 

Let’s hope we see some changes tomorrow against Southampton and then onwards & upwards……………KTBFFH!

Neil Ashton  He hates us with a passion, the thick w**ker.

Seriously lets get a grip here. If JM was sacked there would be uproar. I know it, and everyone else knows it.

 

If he has lost faith with certain players then drop/sell them. Move on. Enough players have said they loved playing for him.

 

Amazing how last year was perfect. 

 

Stability boys & girls. He is the best around. 

I couldn't stand it if José was forced out, there's no one out there I would rather see at the club than him.

He's signed up for the long term, let's ride this out ffs.

Careful what you wish for.....

 

Seriously lets get a grip here. If JM was sacked there would be uproar. I know it, and everyone else knows it.

If he has lost faith with certain players then drop/sell them. Move on. Enough players have said they loved playing for him.

Amazing how last year was perfect.

Stability boys & girls. He is the best around.

You contradict yourself mate. Dropping/selling players cos he 'lost' faith won't bring stability rather more upset into the squad. If recent rumors have an iota of truth to them (only criticizing certain players) then I would be extremely disappointed in him. Some say he dropped JT to pass across a message, I ask, what message? Is passing a message more important than morale of the squad? Or having a seasoned leader on the pitch? Well we shall find out in as time goes by...