I'm interested in exactly what is behind this claim Jose has lost the dressing room. Normally you would expect leaks as happened at Madrid or when AVB was heading out here. I'm not seeing that.

I really think Jose is still the best person for the job. For a few of reasons:

1. Stability is crucial. RLC, Kenedy and Traore are being eased through. A new manager brings his own players and all of a sudden like we saw with Josh when Carlo was sacked, you're on the outer.

2. He's the best manager in the world. Only Guardiola can claim to be at the same level, honestly why do we expect another manager to solve issues if Jose is struggling.

3. It's a little to do with personnel. We're just not executing well currently. We also don't have a great deal of depth beyond our first team. It makes it difficult to rotate if things aren't going well. Juventus are also finding this out.

Edited September 28, 201510 yr by Spiller86

It's September! Shearer said don't write us off, as he's qualified folk will take heed.

Shearer qualified,do me a favour. Just because he played the game at top level doesn't mean he knows the game. Most English footballers play/played the game without thinking.

Another new, anti, doom merchant.

Love the whiny fans on here who "claim" they have followed chelsea for years yet they want to fire a manager who has had the most success in our clubs history. Not saying another opinion is wrong but its just flat out crazy to want to fire a manager who just won us the league. To all those out there, who would you get? Klopp? Haha the same people bitching about Jose would want him out as soon as things got a little tough. Just shocking that all these "longtime fans" can't appreciate the success we've had over the past decade when we were lucky to be playing at this level back in the 70's and 80's. sh*t I remember watching the Fa cup final in 1994 and thinking how great it was we were back competing for trophies, yet fans now want a manager gone four months after winning his 3rd league title for us.

It's September! Shearer said don't write us off, as he's qualified folk will take heed.

 

Shearer did a great job at Newcastle. If he was still their manager we might just beat them for once!!

 

Haven't read too much of thread due to work but of course we have to back Jose. He is The Special One and I'm sure he will turn things around. But the pressure is on, without doubt. That first half was one of the worst I have seen (taking into account the talent we had available) in many many years of supporting CFC. Something ain't right - whether he has lost the dressing room (all or some) or not. That Newcastle team have been useless all season and only have Sunderland below them in the table for very good reason. They are sh*te and it was only us being so poor that made them look any better. Their next game is Man City away where I expect they will be brought back down to earth with a thrashing.

 

But we need to concentrate on ourselves. I don't know what the problem is but hopefully Jose hasn't run out of ideas and can fathom why we looked okay against Arsenal but the return to form only lasted a week. We'll be expected to start climbing the table during October so the Southampton match is already looking like a must-win game.

As much as I'm not the sort of person to support the hire and fire merry-go-round of this club, and as much as I love Jose, at two nil down against Newcastle, I was thinking ''he has to go''.

 

It wouldn't be so bad if we were mediocre last season, but we were league champions for christ's sake & fairly comfortably at that.

 

The team hasn't looked right since day one, and the manager must take full blame for that. How can you be 'up for it' one week, and not fancy it the next against a struggling side? Again, Jose has to take full responsibility. Why is our team not prepared? Why is our team not fighting at all costs, as we were last season? Half of the players look knackered, and half of them look disinterested.

 

It infuriates me how badly we have got it wrong so far this season. The shambles that was pre-season, not signing top quality players when you are on top (champions) as Man City have done, the fuss that we've all had to put up with regarding Eva and Diego and Arsene, the inconsistency from week to week, Branislav, this list goes on.

 

I have no better suggestions as to who would do a better job right now, but I have to say, I wouldn't be entirely disappointed if Jose left. It's been awful to watch for some time. 

 

We will probably make a champions league spot now, but the title is WELL GONE. No chance. And what a waste of an opportunity to build.

 

Shearer qualified,do me a favour. Just because he played the game at top level doesn't mean he knows the game. Most English footballers play/played the game without thinking.

I think that's a pretty harsh analysis of English footballers mate. There have been legendary English players over the year that have had some nous to back up their ability. I think Moore, Charlton, etc would be insulted by your scathing viewpoint.

Hi everyone, as you can tell I'm a Liverpool fan. I randomly decided to search out a Chelsea fan forum tonight to see what many of your feelings are. I truly don't have a reason to post this, other than being a fan of the sport in general. LFC are struggling as well and I wanted to see the POV from fans of the struggling Chelsea team. Surprisingly they are pretty similar. I watch a lot of Chelsea games, actually pretty much every PL game on my free time. I live in the States where we have NBC live stream where we can watch every match, at any time, so on my free time I try to watch every game possible (mainly the top 5).

 

Chelsea would be nuts to sack Mourinho, but at the same time it will be his own doing. I can't for the life of me figure out why he has stuck with Ivanovic and Cesc to name a few, but dropped Terry. From some of the posts I've read Baba hasn't seemed to hit the ground running, but can he do any worse than Ivanovic right now?! I personally like Ivanovic, he seems like a decent guy and a hard worker that tries but is just flat out awful right now. Everybody and their grandmother knows they are targeting him yet nothing has been done. If Mourinho is set on playing Ivanovic, drop Cesc. Move Oscar deep, Willian to cover Ivanovic, Hazard in the middle and Pedro on the opposite flank!

 

Matic seems to have lost a step, but he is covering Cesc, Ivan, and an inexperienced Zouma who will naturally make his fair share of mistakes (I like him btw). He can't work miracles (the same can be said about Hazard). Speaking on Hazard, I personally think he is mentally drained for a couple of reasons: Mainly he knows hes a target and will get his a** kicked and shoved to the ground daily. He also had to carry the team for the back end of last season, and so far it seems to me much hasn't changed (althought Pedro is a nice addition). Costa is more worried about semantics. BTW I hate Costa!! Although, I'd love him on my team.

 

Truth be told, there is nothing more I'd love than to see a top four of Liverpool, City, Chelsea, and Arsenal.. At the expense of the Mancs.

Welcome. There are others from the States and we have a number of quality rival fans. Enjoy the forum.

........I thought we came back from 2-0 away at a major bogey ground to 2-2 ..........we are not in the relegation zone, still in the Carling Cup , still in the champions league , still in the FA Cup ..............yep it's all gone tits up ......and your previous comments about a manager who has won the league in 4 different countries and 3 European Cups only by scoring fluke and wonder goals based around a boring defence summed up your footballing knowledge .that is not a criticism but a fact. He must be the luckiest man alive to have got away with it for so long ....if Jose was available pretty much every major club in European football would be in interested ...can you see Brendan Rogers managing Bayern Munich ????? can you see Jose ???? think you will get the point .........it will all come good I am sure .........

It's like people think Roman was walking down the street and just picked some bloke to run his multi-hundred million football team and that bloke just turned out to be named Mourinho.

People tend to forget the fact that Mourinho started his managerial career as a high school coach. You don't get any more proven that rising from the very bottom of the ladder....but ya, he just fluked his way to the very top of football management. Far more convenient for his haters to dream up that scenario.

Edited September 28, 201510 yr by Barry Bridges

Chelsea, having 1 of the best squad in the world, are 15th in the table, just 3 places above relegation zone with all sorts of negative stats to date in case ya're missing them.. if that's not enough to suggest the club ain't doing well then ya must be trolling.. shame on ya..

 

Ya only mentioned fluke and wonder goals while pretty sure I had more an expansive list than that and weren't those 2 factors exactly what happened in the newcastle game, ramires wonder goal and willian fluke goal?

 

and I have no idea why ya bringing brendan and bayern into it, while it's true I can't see him managing munich, I'm afraid for ya that the same thing applies to jose.. It's well documented that their boards don't quite fancy jose's style, both his manager style and human style.. poor attempt i might say.. should have used PSG there, that's some football knowledge of ya..

You'd do well to compare the number of times Mourinho has managed a BPL season with Chelsea and the number of times he has won the title.

Then look up the definition of fluke.

Then realise why no one is taking you seriously.

It's like people think Roman was walking down the street and just picked some bloke to run his multi-hundred Milian football team and that bloke just turned out to be named Mourinho.

People tend to forget the fact that Mourinho started his managerial career as a high school coach. You don't get any more proven that rising from the very bottom of the ladder....but ya, he just fluked his way to the very top of football management. Far more convenient for his haters to dream up that scenario.

You mean like fluking the whole champions league campaign to win it with Porto? There is no way they could have won the champions league without Mouriho. No way.

can we not have a "the players must pull the finger out" thread? it's not all been Jose's fault.

You'd do well to compare the number of times Mourinho has managed a BPL season with Chelsea and the number of times he has won the title.

Then look up the definition of fluke.

Then realise why no one is taking you seriously.

 

Nice to nitpicking people post to conveniently support your statement.. aren't ya the one who mentioned about taking legal action against the medical team because they overlooked the ref call 1st time??  that's unbelievable on how far you would go for such man..

 

If ya can read things in such deep twisting manner then why go simple on the point that I was trying to make that jose's team isn't well built to penetrate a brick wall? 

 

oh by the way, it's 3 titles out of 5 full seasons, glowing report? no doubt.. credit must be given where it dues and so does the critic.. 

I'm not really sure if I wanna see him sack now because there is hardly an available solution out there at the moment but if it's true that he's losing the dressing room then almost anybody could revitalize us because chelsea's squad are 1 of the best out there.. 

Funny, same situation as when Mourinho left the first time except, as it turns out, we only won one title in the near decade between Mourinho's departure and his return...... Yet a title within 2 seasons of his return despite needing to overhaul the whole squad.

You sure you still want to stand by that statement because while on paper it looks good, reality has shown it to be false and it's not as if we hired a bunch of unproven chumps after Mourinho.

can we not have a "the players must pull the finger out" thread? it's not all been Jose's fault.

 Or an "It's all Eva's fault" one.  Or Kenyon.

Funny, same situation as when Mourinho left the first time except, as it turns out, we only won one title in the near decade between Mourinho's departure and his return...... Yet a title within 2 seasons of his return despite needing to overhaul the whole squad.

You sure you still want to stand by that statement because while on paper it looks good, reality has shown it to be false and it's not as if we hired a bunch of unproven chumps after Mourinho.

 

Avram grant is 1 unrpoven chump after jose, didn't we finish runner up in 3 competitions that year?  

Scolari is hardly a proven a club manager, he's maybe a wc winning manager but it's different on club level and ya can't deny he did introduce some nice atttacking flair until he clashed with drogba, that did it for him

Hiddink came and mind ya, had he came a bit sooner, we could have won it.. we did win an FA cup..

Ancelotti is proven hence the title but if ya look at his league record, far from great but still won it anyway, his 2nd season failure was more thanks to board interruption for undermining his autorithy with wilkin sack..

AVB is another 1 unproven chump, same with RDM (no disrespect) but nobody can take it away from RDM for being the 1st to deliver that holy grail..

It wasn't easy for benitez, too much bad blood in the past that stand in the way but still won europa league..

 

Apart from ancelotti, nobody managed to get a full season and ya sure wanna use that to emphasize your 'no one is better than jose' point? 

If ya see it, it's not just good on paper, is it? Yeah, I'd still wanna stand by that statement..  

Chelsea would have to be out of our minds if we let Jose go.

That's some impressive mental gymnastics to prove a point. Did I say impressive? Sorry, I meant bollocks.

Nice to nitpicking people post to conveniently support your statement.. aren't ya the one who mentioned about taking legal action against the medical team because they overlooked the ref call 1st time??  that's unbelievable on how far you would go for such man..

 

If ya can read things in such deep twisting manner then why go simple on the point that I was trying to make that jose's team isn't well built to penetrate a brick wall? 

 

oh by the way, it's 3 titles out of 5 full seasons, glowing report? no doubt.. credit must be given where it dues and so does the critic..

I actually sited that as being a defence against the legal action of said staff or to prove just cause for dismissal in the face of a constructive dismissal suit. Plus it's defending the club and not the man as its the club that will be named in any possible suit and not Mourinho. I suggest you keep reading my posts until you get better at this deep twisted manner talent you claim I have.

Yes, Mourinho averages a league title with this club at a rate better than 1 title per every 2 seasons..... and you want him sacked because you don't think he is good enough for the job?

And now for my next trick I show how you contradict yourself to attack Mourinho....

don't think the board letting him down in transfer market..

Yet

 

the point that I was trying to make that jose's team isn't well built to penetrate a brick wall 

So correct me if I'm twisting but doesn't that seem you are slating the team for not being built well enough to handle all the brick wall defence we see in the BPL, yet when the club failed to address many of the obvious holes in the squad, you don't think the board let Mourinho down?

I have no doubt that if Mourinho had gotten half the backing that either of the Manchester managers got, we'd be top the table right now. Thing is Mourinho won a double to earn that vote of confidence, after making a profit and overhauling the squad..... I'd say he was let down if the expectation was to dominate the league again and make any serious threat on a European Cup.

I just fail to see how you can see the problems with the squad but not feel Mourinho was let down. Might be one of the best squads in the world but you'd easily argue there are 3 squads in the BPL alone that are at about the same level to the point that they win if they are on their game andour lads are not,and one that is most likely even better than ours. Or simply put, our rivals improved whilst our club pretty much replaced departures and getting a down grade in return almost every time... unless you think Begovic better than Cech and Baba beer than Luis.

I remember the last time I wished for Jose to go away. I thought the football will become beautiful, we'd win every trophy there is and we'll never have to share a point with anyone. Ever. And so it happened, he got sacked, and was immediately replaced by the unworthiest of people in the world, who was pictured grabbing himself by the balls in the first training session. The club was in a crisis. Fans were divided, protesting in front of the Bridge. Players were divided, giving controversial interviews. It was a mess. I agonised for months, thinking just how on earth I thought sacking Mourinho would solve anything. Turns out the team Mourinho assembled pulled itself together without anyone's help, let alone a manager. They then went on for a season and almost won the Champions League as well as the league. Just by themselves. That's what Mourinho can build.

 

It took Scolari's lack of discipline, Villas Boas inexperience and Tubby's wife to damage it and even that took years.

 

The lesson for me was - be careful what you're wishing for.

Edited September 28, 201510 yr by PythonLu

AVB was the highest rated manager in Europe at the time having had an unbeaten domestic season in Portugal and becoming the youngest ever manager to WI a a major European tournament.....his team won everything they competed in that year.

Ps you claimed that Mourinho is incapable of attacking football ( or along those lines) yet are you aware of which manger resided over the team who currently holds the La Liga scoring record? Also holds the most points record in La Liga ( BPL too).

So to adapt a common poker saying, I guess with Mourinho's luck he doesn't have to be good....

Jose has to stay. We cannot get rid of him because who can we realistically replace him with? There are only so many world class managers in the world and i am sure they will be seeing the roundabout styke manager life at chelsea and will look the other way.

 

Jose himself will not have a great load of clubs he would like to go.

 

We need each other. Bad start to the season but also it was a very bad window, we needed to spend but we kept our pockets buttoned and have fallen behind as a result.

This thread is littered with word salad and absolute fail.

Anyone wanting Jose out need their head examined. Can't even begin to understand the logic.

Jose is not infallible. He has made a few mistakes this year hit what manager doesn't? He is the only manager I'd trust to get us out of this mess.

LVG has just spent quarter of a billion and they look semi-decent For crying out loud.

I dread to think what these morons would do if that was Jose in the same predicament.

What other top 3 team has had the fixtures we've had to this start of the season? We haven't faced any relegation fodder or any team who, in my opinion, will finish below top 10 (barring maybe west brom) so it's not been a run of comfortable fixtures. We have faced two top 4 teams (one away from home) already and 3 teams (including away at everton which is always tough away game) who may well be challenging for europa league spots.

 

Newcastle have been our kryptonite for the last couple seasons and west brom has always been a hard place to go to, so to get 4 points from those two fixtures is positive. We'll have a run of fixtures now that should be and are, winnable. I think people are being overly pessimistic for no reason really, it isn't a great start, but it's by no means that bad considering the teams we've faced already. 

No one is happy with what happened so far this season, and no doubt Jose was at faults on several key decisions. However, sack him 8 matches in the season could only bring more disasters? Interim manager, squad overhaul, change of vision, we will reboot back to 2007 when Jose left last time. Does anyone really believe Klopp ( the best potential candidate) would turn this around immediately?