If a fan criticizes the manager, you shouldn't proclaim he's isn't a proper fan/not the fan of the club or 'insult' his accent. 

 

The problem is timing. A new member joining right after a match to start moaning about the manager and wanting him sacked will not get a good reception. Many folks here have criticised something or other, difference is that's not all they do.

Edited October 1, 201510 yr by Stim

Signing up to the forum to criticise the manager is not a true fan. Constructive criticism as you put across is more acceptable as you highlighted many different areas in which Jose has let himself and the team down. Everyone knows Ivanovic is a bombscare at the moment and needs dropped, therefore criticising Mourinho for playing him is acceptable.

It's the fans taking the 'sack him now' route on their first post that infuriate me. There is no one better to lead our club out of this mess.

I signed up to this forum to criticise a manager, Benetiz.

Nothing wrong with expressing frustration at the club, manager, players but there's got to be a reasoned argument behind it otherwise it's just moronic ranting that contributes little or nothing to the forum and it's discussions.

not sure if it has been mentioned already, but the guardian is running with the story that senior players are upset at the perceived scapegoating of certain squad members.

apparently the dressing room is unsettled because some players are being left out while others (ivanovic) start consistently.

its the usual paper talk but when its from the guardian I tend to put a little more faith in it as opposed to the daily mail or the mirror etc.

massive game on the weekend.

I signed up to this forum to criticise a manager, Benetiz.

Nothing wrong with expressing frustration at the club, manager, players but there's got to be a reasoned argument behind it otherwise it's just moronic ranting that contributes little or nothing to the forum and it's discussions.

That's right mate it's all about separating the wheat from the chav.

Rhetorical question. Why do people join a fans forum to launch into criticism.

Rhetorical question. Why do people join a fans forum to launch into criticism.

You have replied yourself mate. Its a 'fans forum' where fans discuss various issues including appreciating/criticizing teams/managers/board/match officials et al

The weird thing is with the people that join up when Chelsea have a few bad games is that they post a lot of critical stuff and find fault with everything the manager does or doesn't do but when Chelsea turn it round they don't seem to be around to celebrate.

 

Anyone who signed up purely to point out the perils of having Benitez at our club is obviously totally justified and has proved that by being around to reap the benefits of his moving on.

 

I think it's a mixture of people like to complain more than to congratulate (as we see the amount of posts on a losing match day compared with those when we win) and total wum that support other clubs masquerading as Chelsea fans.

Edited October 1, 201510 yr by Chippy

not sure if it has been mentioned already, but the guardian is running with the story that senior players are upset at the perceived scapegoating of certain squad members.

apparently the dressing room is unsettled because some players are being left out while others (ivanovic) start consistently.

its the usual paper talk but when its from the guardian I tend to put a little more faith in it as opposed to the daily mail or the mirror etc.

massive game on the weekend.

 

Doesn't make for great reading but it's what a lot of us on here have been saying anyway. 

 

Why didn't Remy, Falcao and Oscar travel to the Porto game? 

 

Why was Hazard and Matic benched but Fabregas and Ivanovic retained their places? 

 

Why is our best defender and captain sitting on the bench when we're nearly conceding 2 goals a game this season? 

 

If I was I was Ramires, Mikel, RLC and Oscar I would be wondering why Fabregas is playing instead of me. 

 

If I was JT and Baba, I'd be wondering what I've done so wrong that Ivanovic gets to put in sh*t on a stick performances all season yet not only keeps his place, he's wearing the captain's armband too. 

There is often an undercurrent of tension emanating from jose supporters on this forum whenever someone dares to suggest that he be jettisoned, although admittedly some of the new signings on here have been, as FC mentioned, ranting without actually raising any salient points our counter-arguments. It was the same with mata leaving, several people got shot down in flames (myself included) for daring to suggest that he would be sold. similarly with lukaku. its a fans forum, people are allowed to put their point across but i agree that it should be reasoned and simple statements like "jose out" help nobody. pointless. give us your reasons why and lets discuss it. 

 

in my opinion, jose will get the bullet this season, and if he does it will be because we are languishing mid table, or because of background issues that we are not privy to. Jose is not bigger than the club. we won trophies without him, and yes we won many significant trophies with him - but chelsea fc will go on regardless of who we have in the dugout. i have faith that if he does go it will be because we have continued in our dreadful run of form and i will be equally confident that an adequate replacement will be lined up. 

 

i am of the opinion that mourinho is a short term option. a trophy magnet who operates with a small, tight knit group of players. when the cracks appear, they are glaring, and we are seeing that now as a direct result of his insistence on relying on a core of around 13 players, while others cut peripheral figures and are restricted to late cameos or early league cup appearances. 

 

the guardian has a story today saying that there is squad unrest. i am fully anticipating a "there's no direct quotes, its bullsh*t!" response, anyone who thinks that the rags dont get word direct from players or through agents is f**king deluded. for a publication like the guardian to go with it, the likelihood is, IMO, that someone has been running their mouth. 

 

as i see it, the seams are starting to un-stitch and if we drop points against southampton and then villa, he's gone. by that point we could be completely cut adrift of the top 4, let alone the top of the league, and i firmly believe that he will be jettisoned if it looks like there is a danger of an insurmountable points differential between us and 4th place. this board hasnt taken long to react in the past, i see absolutely no reason, at all, why they will suddenly change their minds. yes he won the league last season, but ancelotti won it too, and finished second, and we all know what happened there.

 

I simply cannot see us persisting if the glaringly obvious changes that NEED to be made dont get made and we continue to sit in mid-table mediocrity with a squad that became champions last season. For me, the signs were there from January 2015 onwards. SO OFTEN we relied on a moment of genius from hazard, and so often we said that we would be f**ked without hazard. now hazard is off his game, the previously "most fouled player in the league" is not getting those calls, and as a result we look f**king insipid, lazy, slow, ponderous, clumsy, and disinterested. For me, the number of free kicks hazard won us last season was just as massive as his goals; it retains possession, slows the game down, allows us to dictate tempo, and obviously affords the set piece opportunities. When we got thumped 3-0 by west brom at the end of the season, it was easy to say "well they just won the league", but IMO that was a worrying day. what kind of attitude do the players have when they are prepared to switch off because its "job done"? its the managers job to keep them motivated, keep them up for it, and keep them on their toes. 

 

i see nothing by way of evidence that this squad is playing for the manager. its a total, total shambles. 

 

/rant

Doesn't make for great reading but it's what a lot of us on here have been saying anyway. 

 

Why didn't Remy, Falcao and Oscar travel to the Porto game? 

 

Why was Hazard and Matic benched but Fabregas and Ivanovic retained their places? 

 

Why is our best defender and captain sitting on the bench when we're nearly conceding 2 goals a game this season? 

 

If I was I was Ramires, Mikel, RLC and Oscar I would be wondering why Fabregas is playing instead of me. 

 

If I was JT and Baba, I'd be wondering what I've done so wrong that Ivanovic gets to put in sh*t on a stick performances all season yet not only keeps his place, he's wearing the captain's armband too. 

i know mate. as i said above in my rant, the papers have their inside sources. when it comes to transfer rumours - its open season... but when it comes to specific points about player attitudes, player bust ups, and dressing room atmosphere, there will usually be someone who is mouthing off to the papers behind the scenes, be it players, their agents, their family members, whoever. That guardian article, for me, doesnt make good reading. 

 

the captaincy / vice captaincy is a problem and mourinho made a rod for his own back by appointing brana. if, as i suspect, the reason brana is playing is because jose thinks that he cant drop the captain and vice at the same time, then we have a problem. if its just jose being stubborn, then we have a problem. until a change is made, we have a problem.

 

im one of the few that thinks that if it isnt working, fix it. and unfortunately the only thing that you can change is the manager. personally i dont really mind regular managerial changes; its a feature of the modern game. it is what it is. once wenger goes, arsenal will enter the merry go round phase, just like united have done, just like chelsea have done, just like liverpool have done, just like real madrid, barca etc etc have done. its the way it is, i have no problem with it so long as we are winning (or at least playing entertaining football). 

 

i agree with you, RLC, jt, baba, and to a lesser extent oscar, must be wondering whose dick they have to suck to get a game. 

 

its worrying - managerial tunnel vision IMO. 

• if i dont perform in my role i get fired
• if i dont adjust to the pressures of the role and make the necessary changes in order to fulfill the job specification, i get fired
• if i persist with a method of carrying out my work which doesnt chime with the rest of the team, and is ultimately resulting in inefficiencies that are detrimental to the overall performance of the organisation, i get fired. 

a simple analogy - but if he isnt doing the job right, he may well get fired. changes are required, they are not being made, performances are atrocious and that is reflected in our league position, and the manager is ultimately at fault. if chelsea was a FTSE100 company, jose would get the bullet. 

 

should different rules apply at chelsea? 

 

for anyone on here who works in a managerial capacity, what should you do when a team member(s) is/are under-performing? do you: 

 

A) just hope it gets better, close your eyes, wish for the best, and persist? or do you:

B) try to get to the root of the problem, suggest an alternate role within the business for said under-performing personnel (a departmental re-shuffle) , re-calibrate their mandate such that they are better equipped to perform in a lesser, lower pressure environment by offering time off from said role to complete necessary training (i.e. bench the c**t), and make a change to the structure of the team in order to meet the requirements that are stringently set by stakeholders, both internal and external? 

 

if i go option A, i lose my f**king job. 

 

if i go option B, i am granted a reprieve, and i am fulfilling the criteria of "manager" as specified in my job description, with my ultimate seniors seeing that i am making changes and that there is only so much that can be done

 

jose has done f**k all option B. and has stuck to option A. 

 

he is on thin ice if you ask me. 

 

/ LONG RANT.

 

Sorry to all.  

Edited October 1, 201510 yr by CFC_RFC_TID!

i know mate. as i said above in my rant, the papers have their inside sources. when it comes to transfer rumours - its open season... but when it comes to specific points about player attitudes, player bust ups, and dressing room atmosphere, there will usually be someone who is mouthing off to the papers behind the scenes, be it players, their agents, their family members, whoever. That guardian article, for me, doesnt make good reading. 

 

the captaincy / vice captaincy is a problem and mourinho made a rod for his own back by appointing brana. if, as i suspect, the reason brana is playing is because jose thinks that he cant drop the captain and vice at the same time, then we have a problem. if its just jose being stubborn, then we have a problem. until a change is made, we have a problem.

 

im one of the few that thinks that if it isnt working, fix it. and unfortunately the only thing that you can change is the manager. personally i dont really mind regular managerial changes; its a feature of the modern game. it is what it is. once wenger goes, arsenal will enter the merry go round phase, just like united have done, just like chelsea have done, just like liverpool have done, just like real madrid, barca etc etc have done. its the way it is, i have no problem with it so long as we are winning (or at least playing entertaining football). 

 

i agree with you, RLC, jt, baba, and to a lesser extent oscar, must be wondering whose dick they have to suck to get a game. 

 

its worrying

 

this is a sh*t post. 

The problems will not be solved under Mourinho because he is creating them. Festering resentment in the dressing room, some players favourited unnecessarily, others sidelined for no reason and then slated in the press by their own manager. Mourinho must go and for the good of Chelsea football club he must go soon.

He came back as the happy one. Was something of a media darling for a short period of time. But how long could it have lasted he let his true colours show eventually. I respect the man infinitely but he needs to understand sometimes it's better to just bite your lip. He needs to go back to doing what he does best and that's winning games. At least when he opens his mouth after we beat arsenal 6-0 he can have no repercussions but when f*cking Naismith is scoring hat tricks against us and Newcastle who look like a league one outfit are putting us under the kosh you know there's some serious work that needs to be done on the training ground.

The problems will not be solved under Mourinho because he is creating them. Festering resentment in the dressing room, some players favourited unnecessarily, others sidelined for no reason

 

Yeh just like the last like 5 managers we had. Can't wait to sack the next one too.

Yeh just like the last like 5 managers we had. Can't wait to sack the next one too.

Good point - I don't like the managerial merry go round either. Ultimately the buck stops with Abramovich and we should be pointing the finger at him.

We've been through this so many times, we've tried up and coming coaches who are the flavour of the month, old Coaches who have been there and done it all, Interims, directors of football, ex players, etc etc and most have been either unproven in the Premiership which had people casting doubts or forever compared unfavourably to the best coach we ever had.

 

Even Roman who has little patience has gone full circle and swallowed his pride to get back the man he feels is best for the Job.

 

We might have seen Jose being stubborn, we may be seeing him falling out with a few players and we might be seeing him make some mistakes but we've seen that with every manager we've had.

 

If JT has fallen out with Jose (not that I think he has) it isn't a new thing and it could unsettle a few others but the fact is JT is not the future of the club, players have to do as the manager says and if that means being benched then that's his decision, JT is big enough and professional enough to get through it and if I'm any judge of his personality on field he'll come out better for it.

 

I wouldn't start the players Jose is starting but we could have any manager here and they could play the same or different players and get the same results.

 

Mourinho isn't a manager we've brought in because he was good in another league, becasue hes flavour of the month or because he was unemployed when we fancied a change, he is a manager proven everywhere hes been including the premier league and including this club.

 

He if any deserve a lot more leeway than the other suspects have had or than he got the first time around.

Edited October 1, 201510 yr by Chippy

not sure if it has been mentioned already, but the guardian is running with the story that senior players are upset at the perceived scapegoating of certain squad members.

apparently the dressing room is unsettled because some players are being left out while others (ivanovic) start consistently.

its the usual paper talk but when its from the guardian I tend to put a little more faith in it as opposed to the daily mail or the mirror etc.

 

The Guardian tends to look down its nose at our club, no matter the manager, the player, or the issue under discussion, and this week has been no exception. Dominic Fifield is assigned to us, he provides bog standard reports, very little by way of incite, and his articles are seldom opened up to the public for comments. Jose’s picture atop the article in question tells you all you need to know about this newspaper’s attitude to all things Chelsea and further evidence can be found on their Football Weekly podcast, where Barry Glendenning regularly treats us with complete disdain, chivvied along by japing James (Jimbo) Richardson, with loads of fun had by all… at the Chelsea fans expense, of course.

 

Okay, you can accuse me of blind loyalty, paranoia et al, but, if you take the Guardian’s reporting on the fallout from this week’s CL games as an example, you’ll see the point I’m trying to make. Three English teams have three points and one has none, yet the crisis is deemed to be within our camp, while the in-depth debate on the Arsenal is conducted by Amy Lawrence [a self-confessed fan of long standing] who always takes herself to the brink of Wenger criticism before thinking better of it and stepping back - subjective hokey-cokey journalism at its finest. 

 

And just to over-egg coverage of this particular pudding of a performance by Arsene Wenger and his [seemingly] merry men, they assigned top writer Barney Ronay to do the Champions League Sportblog. Note that he also attended the game, but his beautifully constructed prose only serve to make my point for me, as he expertly sidesteps any firsthand witness of a full-on Gunner meltdown, preferring instead to top-and-tail the piece in such a way as to turn it into a Premier League home-truth-telling exercise.             

 

A little more faith in The Guardian as opposed to the others? Not for me. 

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The Guardian tends to look down its nose at our club, no matter the manager, the player, or the issue under discussion, and this week has been no exception. Dominic Fifield is assigned to us, he provides bog standard reports, very little by way of incite, and his articles are seldom opened up to the public for comments. Jose’s picture atop the article in question tells you all you need to know about this newspaper’s attitude to all things Chelsea and further evidence can be found on their Football Weekly podcast, where Barry Glendenning regularly treats us with complete disdain, chivvied along by japing James (Jimbo) Richardson, with loads of fun had by all… at the Chelsea fans expense, of course.

Okay, you can accuse me of blind loyalty, paranoia et al, but, if you take the Guardian’s reporting on the fallout from this week’s CL games as an example, you’ll see the point I’m trying to make. Three English teams have three points and one has none, yet the crisis is deemed to be within our camp, while the in-depth debate on the Arsenal is conducted by Amy Lawrence [a self-confessed fan of long standing] who always takes herself to the brink of Wenger criticism before thinking better of it and stepping back - subjective hokey-cokey journalism at its finest.

And just to over-egg coverage of this particular pudding of a performance by Arsene Wenger and his [seemingly] merry men, they assigned top writer Barney Ronay to do the Champions League Sportblog. Note that he also attended the game, but his beautifully constructed prose only serve to make my point for me, as he expertly sidesteps any firsthand witness of a full-on Gunner meltdown, preferring instead to top-and-tail the piece in such a way as to turn it into a Premier League home-truth-telling exercise.

A little more faith in The Guardian as opposed to the others? Not for me.

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I like the Guardian for all sorts of reasons, but they do seem to have a downer on us. I writer called ,"Conn" I think, has written some negative articles about us in the past..

I read that article this morning and its just speculation, although I do think the squad are unhappy, certainly the awful sluggish way we are starting games doesn't seem like a fired up team ready to put matters right.

Terry being dropped whilst Ivan starts every game is bizarre.

As for José, we must have faith he will get it right in the end.

Edited October 1, 201510 yr by mileoffside

I like the Guardian for all sorts of reasons, but they do seem to have a downer on us. I writer called ,"Conn" I think, has written some negative articles about us in the past..

I read that article this morning and its just speculation, although I do think the squad are unhappy, certainly the awful sluggish way we are starting games doesn't seem like a fired up team ready to put matters right.

Terry being dropped whilst Ivan starts every game is bizarre.

As for José, we must have faith he will get it right in the end.

 

The article was by Dominic Fifield who is usually pretty reliable all things Chelsea and he generally writes the articles relating to us for The Guardian. 

The weird thing is with the people that join up when Chelsea have a few bad games is that they post a lot of critical stuff and find fault with everything the manager does or doesn't do but when Chelsea turn it round they don't seem to be around to celebrate.

 

Anyone who signed up purely to point out the perils of having Benitez at our club is obviously totally justified and has proved that by being around to reap the benefits of his moving on.

 

I think it's a mixture of people like to complain more than to congratulate (as we see the amount of posts on a losing match day compared with those when we win) and total wum that support other clubs masquerading as Chelsea fans.

Isn't this just life on the whole? How many people ring a customer service department to congratulate a company/service/team on a job well done? Fans are no different in their approach,complacency sets in. People by nature prefer to aire perceived grievance,years ago it was down at the local after the match and on the way home.Today we have an internet forum which is instant.Times change.

There's more chat on the train home between fans when we lose than when we win, it never changed. When we are losing we tend to analyse the game more and look at team selection , tactics etc.

It doesn't mean we are happy to lose it means we are concerned and want it put right.

Thinking back to José getting sacked before, didn't he have s bust up with Terry before the Rosenberg game ?

Story at the time was Terry wouldn't come out for the warm up and had to be coaxed out by team mates ?edit....found article on "blue champions" website....don't know how to link, or how much truth is in it, but its an interesting read

Edited October 1, 201510 yr by mileoffside

 

The Guardian tends to look down its nose at our club, no matter the manager, the player, or the issue under discussion, and this week has been no exception. Dominic Fifield is assigned to us, he provides bog standard reports, very little by way of incite, and his articles are seldom opened up to the public for comments. Jose’s picture atop the article in question tells you all you need to know about this newspaper’s attitude to all things Chelsea and further evidence can be found on their Football Weekly podcast, where Barry Glendenning regularly treats us with complete disdain, chivvied along by japing James (Jimbo) Richardson, with loads of fun had by all… at the Chelsea fans expense, of course.

 

Okay, you can accuse me of blind loyalty, paranoia et al, but, if you take the Guardian’s reporting on the fallout from this week’s CL games as an example, you’ll see the point I’m trying to make. Three English teams have three points and one has none, yet the crisis is deemed to be within our camp, while the in-depth debate on the Arsenal is conducted by Amy Lawrence [a self-confessed fan of long standing] who always takes herself to the brink of Wenger criticism before thinking better of it and stepping back - subjective hokey-cokey journalism at its finest. 

 

And just to over-egg coverage of this particular pudding of a performance by Arsene Wenger and his [seemingly] merry men, they assigned top writer Barney Ronay to do the Champions League Sportblog. Note that he also attended the game, but his beautifully constructed prose only serve to make my point for me, as he expertly sidesteps any firsthand witness of a full-on Gunner meltdown, preferring instead to top-and-tail the piece in such a way as to turn it into a Premier League home-truth-telling exercise.             

 

A little more faith in The Guardian as opposed to the others? Not for me. 

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Ahem, ahem, ahem!  That's all I'll say!  Other than dam fine post as usual, Dorset!

Ahem, ahem, ahem!  That's all I'll say!  Other than dam fine post as usual, Dorset!

 

 

Ahem ahem!  DAMN with an N!  Wicked Yorkley!

I wonder if Roman regrets the new deal he gave Jose. If he had not done that would Jose be gone already?

Jose did say if Roman ever wanted him gone he would walk, implied it was not about the money. Could well be we see if that is true if this keeps going on.

That or Roman supports Jose and a big squad clear out occurs in the next 2 windows.