We have about as much luck signing with managers as we do with centre forwards........just as well pick a name out of a hat.....'Dynasty', not a word in the Chelsea vocabulary I'm afraid.  Not one manager that comes in this club will have an opportunity to stay beyond 3 years.  The players rule the roost, always have, always will do.  There is too much money at stake and its easier for any owner to get rid of a manager than 7 or 8 players.  Unless we get Simone the rest are just second choices anyway to fill in for a season or two until the next one comes along. 

 

So in your opinion- has Chelsea given its ex-managers (In the Roman Era) enough time to build something? I would like your opinion on that first please because that is the main argument. 

 

 

And with regards to LVG: In his first season he took United back into the champions League. This year they are currently 5th and I dont see why they cant finish top 4 again. The turnover in their squad is much more unlike Arsenal or City  who have been adding vital pieces. Man Utd are making significant squad changes. 

 

Also, this year the league is much more difficult to win than back in the hey days. A look at the table should be proof enough. This is something that stupid Manchester United fans who are used to winning trophies during the Fergie days will never understand and hence the stupid backlash. There is truth  that the brand of football is boring and turgid, but so was Arsenals a few years back when all they did was tiki taka style with not enough goals (The pre OZil/ Sanchez days). But they are more crisp now thanks to the philosophy sinking in and Arsenal adding vital pieces. Manchester United too has the potential to do just that.

 

And are they better than us? Again, You are not paying attention to what I am saying. The real question is, Is our plight worse than theirs ? Is 5th worse than 14th ? 

 

 

I think that is your argument, as I said previously, my post was in response to your suggestion that we are/will be unable to attract "proven" Managers, which is quite frankly poppycock. 

 

I will answer though as you seem so keen for me to do so, but I am not really sure what the point of this debate  is- it entirely depends how you define "building something" for a start. You know full well we have a revolving door policy with Managers, you only have to look at the length of tenures to see that,  so I would imagine you are trying to get me to concede that the answer is "no" to your question? 

 

I think the key point is that having a long serving manager in itself does not equate to success, neither is it something to be proud of unless something special has been achieved in the process. Arsenal persevered with Wenger for 9 years without winning anything. In the mean time we probably got through 9 Managers and accumulated just as many major trophies, if not more. I know which I would prefer, not that the two have to be mutually exclusive of course. 

 

I would also point out that we are far from being alone in the sense of the revolving door policy with Managers. Bayern Munich have had 8 managers in the last 10 years, Real Madrid have had 9. 

 

You talk about LVG and United as if he hasn't spent hundreds of millions in the transfer window to arrive where they are (5th in the league and knocked out of Europe). You again ask if their "plight" is worse than ours... if we are comparing league positions then, once again, you don't need me to answer the obvious. The difference is that we won the league last season whilst LVG has won f**k all so far with his "building" which you seem to believe he is doing. As I said before, lets see what he wins this season and if he is still the Manager at the start of next season and then we can objectively review what he has "built". 

 

As for the league being harder to win now than ever before I would again completely disagree. The difference is merely the gulf in ability between the top and the middle has vastly reduced. A truly world class side like United of 99, Arsenal of 03 or Chelsea of 05 would absolutely piss this league. 

 

To be honest I could carry on with what you said about Arsenal, which I also completely disagree with,  but I can't be arsed as I know you will probably disregard it and reply with another post asking me who is in a worse plight out of us and United!

We could do a lot worse.

 

Could also do a lot better. If we hadn't sacked Mourinho.

I think that is your argument, as I said previously, my post was in response to your suggestion that we are/will be unable to attract "proven" Managers, which is quite frankly poppycock. 

 

I will answer though as you seem so keen for me to do so, but I am not really sure what the point of this debate  is- it entirely depends how you define "building something" for a start. You know full well we have a revolving door policy with Managers, you only have to look at the length of tenures to see that,  so I would imagine you are trying to get me to concede that the answer is "no" to your question? 

 

I think the key point is that having a long serving manager in itself does not equate to success, neither is it something to be proud of unless something special has been achieved in the process. Arsenal persevered with Wenger for 9 years without winning anything. In the mean time we probably got through 9 Managers and accumulated just as many major trophies, if not more. I know which I would prefer, not that the two have to be mutually exclusive of course. 

 

I would also point out that we are far from being alone in the sense of the revolving door policy with Managers. Bayern Munich have had 8 managers in the last 10 years, Real Madrid have had 9. 

 

You talk about LVG and United as if he hasn't spent hundreds of millions in the transfer window to arrive where they are (5th in the league and knocked out of Europe). You again ask if their "plight" is worse than ours... if we are comparing league positions then, once again, you don't need me to answer the obvious. The difference is that we won the league last season whilst LVG has won f**k all so far with his "building" which you seem to believe he is doing. As I said before, lets see what he wins this season and if he is still the Manager at the start of next season and then we can objectively review what he has "built". 

 

As for the league being harder to win now than ever before I would again completely disagree. The difference is merely the gulf in ability between the top and the middle has vastly reduced. A truly world class side like United of 99, Arsenal of 03 or Chelsea of 05 would absolutely piss this league. 

 

To be honest I could carry on with what you said about Arsenal, which I also completely disagree with,  but I can't be arsed as I know you will probably disregard it and reply with another post asking me who is in a worse plight out of us and United!

 

"I think that is your argument, as I said previously, my post was in response to your suggestion that we are/will be unable to attract "proven" Managers, which is quite frankly poppycock. "

 

My quote was "After Jose, Carlo was the only world class club manager that we attracted and sacked. The rest of the interims were ... ". You are the one who is conveniently ignoring "World Class Club Manager" and saying that I said we have trouble attracting any proven manager. We can get any proven manager but they wont necessarily be the cream of the crop which is what we are trying to get.

 

"I will answer though as you seem so keen for me to do so, but I am not really sure what the point of this debate  is- it entirely depends how you define "building something" for a start. You know full well we have a revolving door policy with Managers, you only have to look at the length of tenures to see that,  so I would imagine you are trying to get me to concede that the answer is "no" to your question? "

 

I am not trying to coerce anything from you. I asked you a simple YES or NO question. Apart from Jose And Carlo which other manager was given time to build anything? If you feel Chelsea does give time then type YES.  I just asked for your opinion. And if the answer is YES then my follow up would be state the names of the mangers who were given time. If the answer is NO then type NO. Is that so hard? You make it sound like I have a plot to take over the world.

 

I am interested in what Chelsea is doing, Not Arsenal or Real Madrid or Bayern (Interestingly enough the Managers with whom Bayern won the trophy were all there for over 365 days indicating that atleast they wait till the end of the season before firing a manager).  

 

And for LVG, Fair enough, Let us wait till the season is over. 

 

"As for the league being harder to win now than ever before I would again completely disagree. The difference is merely the gulf in ability between the top and the middle has vastly reduced. A truly world class side like United of 99, Arsenal of 03 or Chelsea of 05 would absolutely piss this league. "

 

A truly world class side like United of 99 or Chelsea of 05 is sadly not there in 2015/2016 so that point can neither be proven to be true or false. I personally think that while they have the potential to win the league they wont "piss the league". Infact they wont be able to score the same amount of goals or get the same points as they did back.

 

Also, I dont understand how in one statement you say you do not believe that the league is tougher now and in the next statement say "The difference is merely the gulf in ability between the top and the middle has vastly reduced". That is precisely the reason why the league has become tougher to win. Dont just take my word for it, Here is a quote from Jose Mourinho (Hopefully you rate him well ... )

 

LINK: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/9935200/jose-mourinho-premier-league-harder-to-win-this-year

 

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho believes the Premier League title will be harder to win this season. 

 

“Smaller teams are getting some of the best players from some countries. Those players usually only leave their counties for the best clubs but now they go to the promoted teams.

 

“Now it is their competitive nature and their quality that top teams have to play against. It is more difficult.

 

“I look to the next match and see a difficult match against Swansea. I only think about match after match and each one is difficult."

So to summarise:

 

• We can't attract "world class club managers" (apart from Jose Mourinho as recently as last season)
• Bayern Munch's key to success is keeping a manager for at least 365 if they look like winning the league
• You are not trying to take over the world
• The league is harder to win now than before despite the quality within it being vastly reduced
• Jose Mourinho is gospel and 5 month old quotes from before the league started should be used to determine how hard it is to win.

 

kool m8

Tonight with 5 minutes to go he took of Dr bruyne for a holding midfielder.....against 10 men. Yeah, do not want him.

thought he did a great job with malaga and villarreal especially who were lovely to watch. also did well with madrid in the league but poorly in europe.

 

at city though... firstly, huge resources or not, he won the league and at their best city play the best stuff in the league IMO. I think that deserves respect. but again he's done poorly (so far) in europe with a lot of quality around him and increasingly can only get yaya toure to actually play football for five minutes per game. I think overall city have been and remain less than the sum of their parts. I appreciate he hasn't chosen all of the players so average recruitment can be partially defended but even some of the players he has obviously specifically asked for haven't been unqualified successes.

 

he's not rubbish or an idiot but a pattern is possibly emerging in his career in europe;  he gets the smaller sides to over-perform and the bigger ones to (slightly) under-perform.

 

I wouldn't want him here, I don't think the squad suits him really and if we are going to reshape it a lot then I think there are better / more exciting options out there.

There was something I read about the club thinking that he would bring a calmness to Chelsea that we haven't seen for a while. After Jose's stinky, I can understand why they would want a laid back easy going guy in charge.

You keep players happy and you will generally get positive results.

It could be between Pellegrini and Rafa, ugh!!!

Do not believe Rafa will be coming here any time soon, not after his welcoming he was getting nearly every matchday, Pellegrini is a

diffferent propersition entirely though, if that is the only top face we can get, beings as we have tried all other top bods then I will not

complain to loudly.

I hope it won't be Rafa!!! I would rather take jamie carragher - basically anyone but Rafa.

thought he did a great job with malaga and villarreal especially who were lovely to watch. also did well with madrid in the league but poorly in europe.

 

at city though... firstly, huge resources or not, he won the league and at their best city play the best stuff in the league IMO. I think that deserves respect. but again he's done poorly (so far) in europe with a lot of quality around him and increasingly can only get yaya toure to actually play football for five minutes per game. I think overall city have been and remain less than the sum of their parts. I appreciate he hasn't chosen all of the players so average recruitment can be partially defended but even some of the players he has obviously specifically asked for haven't been unqualified successes.

 

he's not rubbish or an idiot but a pattern is possibly emerging in his career in europe;  he gets the smaller sides to over-perform and the bigger ones to (slightly) under-perform.

 

I wouldn't want him here, I don't think the squad suits him really and if we are going to reshape it a lot then I think there are better / more exciting options out there.

 

 

Out of sheer interest, who among the managers out there, would you like to see come to Chelsea?

I'd love a season of bielsa- and that's all it would be in all likelihood. we might win nothing but the football would be better than anything witnessed on these shores for a long long time. and then it would implode as it always does for him. he's a genius though.

 

I was saying in dorset's thread I can't pick out anyone really. I don't see obvious candidates anywhere (if we exclude guardiola). maybe conte or pochettino? simeone is probably the best of the ones that we could realistically attract and who the club would realistically look at. I think he has some question marks next to his name too.

 

who would you go for? I think the club's list is probably 1) guardiola, 2) simeone 3) whichever young coach massively overperforms this season. especially if they play pretty football.

It could be between Pellegrini and Rafa, ugh!!!

 

That's easy, Pellegroani every time.

 

I hope it won't be Rafa!!! I would rather take jamie carragher - basically anyone but Rafa.

 

Neil Warnock? ;)

No one mentioned Mark Hughes yet? Anyone who got Stoke playing football deserve some respect.

That's easy, Pellegroani every time.

Neil Warnock? ;)

I would take Warnock or even Appleton over Rafa any day.

I'd love a season of bielsa- and that's all it would be in all likelihood. we might win nothing but the football would be better than anything witnessed on these shores for a long long time. and then it would implode as it always does for him. he's a genius though.

 

I was saying in dorset's thread I can't pick out anyone really. I don't see obvious candidates anywhere (if we exclude guardiola). maybe conte or pochettino? simeone is probably the best of the ones that we could realistically attract and who the club would realistically look at. I think he has some question marks next to his name too.

 

who would you go for? I think the club's list is probably 1) guardiola, 2) simeone 3) whichever young coach massively overperforms this season. especially if they play pretty football.

 

Funny that you mention Bielsa.  When I was thinking about this earlier I thought "we'll probably go after another National team coach that plays attractive football" like we did with Scolari.

 

I think you're bottom 3 are exactly what we'll see.  With 2 being the most likely 

Pellegrini would be a disaster. No way we are that stupid... I hope

Pellegrini would be pretty uninspiring. Id rather we just stuck with Hiddink if Pellegrini was the alternative

We should stick with Guus. There is no point in looking for a replacement. Why not let Guus carry on for the foreseeable future. As the old saying goes.....if it ain't broke, it don't need fixing! LOL. Also don't worry about how long Guus's contract is for, as I'm sure that RA will extend that if Guus does well. No worries.

We should stick with Guus. There is no point in looking for a replacement. Why not let Guus carry on for the foreseeable future. As the old saying goes.....if it ain't broke, it don't need fixing! LOL. Also don't worry about how long Guus's contract is for, as I'm sure that RA will extend that if Guus does well. No worries.

IN his pre match presser today, Guus made it sound like all he wanted was this season, and then he wanted to go home

Guus is just being cool. He doesn't need the money and he has no big ego. As the old clich'e goes....he's just taking one game at a time. Which has calmed eveything down and will facilitate Chelsea getting back to winning ways. Let's just cheer the boys on and sit and enjoy the ride up the table, and not worry about anything.

f**k out of here with this bullsh*t. 

Clown

Oh I forgot to add......are you Tottenham in disquise ?