1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

That's two pretty complicated situations to resolve before we can get started on player recruitment whilst having no director of football in place, something else that I assume we are in the process of resolving... All the while our club's owner has effectively been booted out of the country something he has had to resolve as well. 

I mean, if you take a step back and look at the amount of things we are currently having to deal with before we can start looking ahead to the new season is it really any wonder that it's going to take a bit of time? 

 

I've no idea why Roman has to be in the UK to hire or fire a manager. Most owners I can think of hardly step foot in the UK.

 

As for having no Director of Football, well, Emenalo resigned 6 months ago.

3 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

I've no idea why Roman has to be in the UK to hire or fire a manager. Most owners I can think of hardly step foot in the UK.

As for having no Director of Football, well, Emenalo resigned 6 months ago.

I'm just saying that with the disruption Roman's encountered it might have delayed him signing off on Conte/Sarri. 

End of the day it's his money and if he's been pre-occupied with sorting out his living arrangements, visas etc. he might not have been able to give the go ahead on Chelsea related matters. 

The director of football thing, no idea what's going on with that. Why we've left the post vacant for six months is lost on me... Who exactly is overseeing the club's transfer strategy, youth development, the loan army etc? That role has always appeared to work close with the first team manager so would assume it would be a part of any discussions with a new manager? 

2 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

It is over the top when the window has been open only just over a week, and is open until August 9th, AND we don't have a clear decision on who will be manager.

Be chill children. Those who run around crying "the sky is falling in" are condemned to be roasted with lovely roast potatoes and delicious gravy.  Or mocked by more sensible posters, at the very least.

Yes, and that's the main problem as of right now.
We don't have a DOF or a new manager well into the transfer window.

The "panickers" as some may call them were mocked last season as well and told to "chill, its only june/july/early august"  and that's excactly how this club have fecked this thing up multiple summers in a row, ending up with the Djilobodjis, Zappacosta and Drinkwaters of the world on deadline day. 

 

 

I'm assuming a clear decision has been made on the manager, after all, they've had long enough to think about it.

But, we currently DO have a manager.

 

 

Sneaky little bugger, @Davey Baby, sliding in between me and some sniggering wisecrack!

Edited May 29, 20188 yr by yorkleyblue

31 minutes ago, Killbill said:

Now that the Roman's visa issue has been solved things may move a bit faster.  I am not saying they will sack Conte, but things should move one way or another.

Hopefully by friday we will know if Conte is staying or not.

11 minutes ago, Sindre said:

The "panickers" as some may call them were mocked last season as well and told to "chill, its only june/july/early august"  and that's excactly how this club have fecked this thing up multiple summers in a row, ending up with the Djilobodjis, Zappacosta and Drinkwaters of the world on deadline day. 

I mock people who moan in may/june. Just because they were/are right in July/August doesn't make the sh*t in may/june ok. Never mind in the first week of june last year we spent nearly/over 100 million on Rudiger, Bakayoko and Morata and people were still moaning about speed and numbers. Sure July/August didn't go well but they were still over the top in may/june.

Yorkley, I would never dream of sliding in your wisecrack. I'm a married man.

3 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

Yorkley, I would never dream of sliding in your wisecrack. I'm a married man.

That's not what you said last time after a pint and a half of Stella!  I dunno, sobriety has changed you, Davey!

3 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

But, we currently DO have a manager.

 

 

Sneaky little bugger, @Davey Baby, sliding in between me and some sniggering wisecrack!

We do. But he doesn't want to be here and neither does the club.
But we are penny pinching over Contes compensation and Sarri's release clause and that's why nothing seems to be happening at the moment.
This could have been solved two weeks ago by spending a littlebit of money (relativly speaking) but there is a lack of urgency in getting things done.

Yes, it's still early. But there is a reason why clubs are scrambling to get deals done before the world cup that now starts in a couple of weeks already.

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

That's not what you said last time after a pint and a half of Stella!  I dunno, sobriety has changed you, Davey!?

 

Yeah well I've never been able to resist the whiff of Old Spice.

20 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

It is over the top when the window has been open only just over a week, and is open until August 9th, AND we don't have a clear decision on who will be manager.

Be chill children. Those who run around crying "the sky is falling in" are condemned to be roasted with lovely roast potatoes and delicious gravy.  Or mocked by more sensible posters, at the very least.

When the club has repeatedly left business to the last day and we have seen the club end up buying 3rd choice panic buys then the shrill folk perhaps have reason to be worried. As you say, we don't have a manager or director of football, both of which need to be concluded for us to realistically start signing players. Assuming it's been a week to even sign a manager, we will either start doing transfers without a director of football (Not really a good idea) or we will likely be at least two weeks from targetting players.

It's the same thing every time a fan shows a bit of fear over history repeating itself. People come in and say "It's only been a few days/weeks/months" followed by something about the club having something in order. As time passes you kobe the goalposts as we fall further and further behind our rivals in the transfer market. You talk as if a new manager is imminent when all indication suggests we are in the same situation as we were when it was first reported last week. At what point is it okay for fans to start worrying about transfers in your opinion? Taking into about count e fact that this is the 4th transfer window in a row where we look like we're making a mess of it all. 

5 minutes ago, Sindre said:

But we are penny pinching over Contes compensation and Sarri's release clause and that's why nothing seems to be happening at the moment.

And you know this how, exactly?  I take it that you are involved personally in both the negotiations with Conte and his team AND with the nogotiations with Napoli, Laurentis and Sarri.

Surely, if you are an insider, just tell the others "stop the penny-pinching"  -  Easy done for an insider.

or, is it just possible that you DON'T actually know anything about either negotiation?

17 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Regardless of Real Madrid's playstyle, they have been the top team in Europe for 3 years in a row now so we can't compare to them.

This year Barcelona played such a slow football I hope we never come to that point, even if they beat us easy it's still very boring to watch them play, no wonder they got knocked out in Europe as soon as another tactical slow team showed up which was Roma, and that was even with less quality players, their league win is mostly due to Real Madrid underperforming in the first few months.

If Liverpool can play fast with 1 Salah and Mane we should be able to play fast with Hazard + a new striker + new midfielder (hopefully Milinkovic-Savic), after all last season we won 30 games and we didn't play slow football.

I don't think we should try to play slow, we will never outdo Man City with Pep that has a superior squad depth and just better players for that kind of game, that would be playing his game and we would lose every time, Klopp didn't care to play his game and Liverpool even with such a poor defense and poor goalkeeper and at best average midfield players schooled Pep's Man City.

Sarri is a perfect balance where we would have possession but play fast and effective, we do have the players for that given a new striker and midfielder for the first 11.
 

 

 

Batshuayi involved in starting both of these goals but people say his build up play is 100x worse than Morata's.....

If Conte is being sacked, he already knows. It'd be silly to think he doesn't

7 minutes ago, Total-Football said:

As you say, we don't have a manager or director of football

What I actually said was "we don't have a clear decision on who will be manager."  But that's just being pedantic. My point is that we have people getting fractious and frantic because we haven't bought Messi, Neymar and Pele already, and here we are not even June yet, when we are just a week past our last game of the season, no other top club (or lower club, for that matter) have bought anyone either, and the manager's position is yet to be clarified.  I think I would realistically expect one or more sales to be announced before any purchases,  anyway.

BUT, it's not even June yet.  That is all.

2 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

And you know this how, exactly?  I take it that you are involved personally in both the negotiations with Conte and his team AND with the nogotiations with Napoli, Laurentis and Sarri.

Surely, if you are an insider, just tell the others "stop the penny-pinching"  -  Easy done for an insider.

or, is it just possible that you DON'T actually know anything about either negotiation??

It's both reading the reports in reliable newspapers as Evening Standard and Telegraph and common sense.
Todays latest from Simon Johnson: However, Chelsea are still negotiating with Napoli over the £7m release clause.

If we just paid them the £7m there obviously wouldn't be anything to discuss and Sarri would be free to sign with us the second we sacked Conte.
But we aren't prepared to do so.

Same thing with Conte pretty much. We are hoping to avoid paying the compensation package and want some other club to take him off our hands. Latest reported by Matt Law in the Telegraph less than a week ago.

So yes, it is pretty damn obvious that the reason nothing is happening is because we are penny pinching negotiating.

1 minute ago, yorkleyblue said:

What I actually said was "we don't have a clear decision on who will be manager."  But that's just being pedantic. My point is that we have people getting fractious and frantic because we haven't bought Messi, Neymar and Pele already, and here we are not even June yet, when we are just a week past our last game of the season, no other top club (or lower club, for that matter) have bought anyone either, and the manager's position is yet to be clarified.  I think I would realistically expect one or more sales to be announced before any purchases,  anyway.

BUT, it's not even June yet.  That is all.

So at what point do alarm bells go off for you? If there is no manager announcement by next Tuesday would you start worrying? That's a very likely scenario at this rate. 

@Sindre Aaah, The biblical texts of truth and insight that are the Standard and the Telegraph - OK, that all makes sense then, they have NEVER been known to get a story wrong. Ever.

I'm not saying that you are wrong, what I'm saying is that neither you nor I know any of the details and we know at least as much as the journalists you mention.  They are making guesses and so are you (and me).

So, no, it isn't "pretty damn obvious that the reason nothing is happening is because we are penny pinching negotiating"

7 minutes ago, Total-Football said:

So at what point do alarm bells go off for you? If there is no manager announcement by next Tuesday would you start worrying? That's a very likely scenario at this rate. 

Don't know why next Tuesday would be any more or less significant than any other date.  But NO, I wouldn't start worrying - If we are in the middle of July, with no manager, no Messi and Neymar and no tea-lady, I might start to panic a bit.

5 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Don't know why next Tuesday would be any more or less significant than any other date.  But NO, I wouldn't start worrying - If we are in the middle of July, with no manager, no Messi and Neymar and no tea-lady, I might start to panic a bit.

Hyperbole to delegitimise a posters point is a bit cheap and does not work. Nobody said we want Neymar/Messi so your exaggerations are nothing but daft. People are just worried that we have seemingly no manager and don't look close to signing one any time soon. Thinking people should only start worrying about the club when your arbritary line for worrying is July is weird and not conducive to any form of conversation. By your measure we should just sit around and not comment at all because there is no news to comment on. 

1 hour ago, Nickcook26 said:

Just had a brief scroll down of the thread.

A lot of panicking/complaining already which seems completely over the top. 

I'll be reserving judgement on all matters (managers/directors of football//transfers etc) until the eve of the first game of the season which is when the transfer window also shuts this summer.

It think it's certaily understandable to be concerned, considering how slow and poor our last 4 windows have been, signing average players for high prices at the last minute, after wasting time on other targets.

4 minutes ago, Zeta said:

It think it's certaily understandable to be concerned, considering how slow and poor our last 4 windows have been, signing average players for high prices at the last minute, after wasting time on other targets.

This. The posters questioning the worry from other people are ignoring the precedent that has been set by the past few years of transfers. We have history of doing exactly what fans fear is happening again. That's why so many fans are so on edge when we seem to be dragging our feet once again. Whether these posters omit that fact willfully or not, it's still disingenuous to act like what's happening is happening within a vacuum and the fans fears are unfounded.

29 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

@Sindre Aaah, The biblical texts of truth and insight that are the Standard and the Telegraph - OK, that all makes sense then, they have NEVER been known to get a story wrong. Ever.

I'm not saying that you are wrong, what I'm saying is that neither you nor I know any of the details and we know at least as much as the journalists you mention.  They are making guesses and so are you (and me).

So, no, it isn't "pretty damn obvious that the reason nothing is happening is because we are penny pinching negotiating"

No wonder we can't agree then if you believe every journalist is guessing. I believe you get good news out of the right ones and that when many of those are reporting the same things over a period of time there is truth to it. Like Di Marzio, Bouhafsi, Law, Simon Johnson and a few other.

 

 

Just now, Total-Football said:

This. The posters questioning the worry from other people are ignoring the precedent that has been set by the past few years of transfers. We have history of doing exactly what fans fear is happening again. That's why so many fans are so on edge when we seem to be dragging our feet once again. Whether these posters omit that fact willfully or not, it's still disingenuous to act like what's happening is happening within a vacuum and the fans fears are unfounded.

It's one thing to be concerned and show them in a constructive manner, it's another when people start taking this beyond tedious "were sh*t and do everything wrong while all our rivals are amazing and do everything right" stance.