That Sterling Incident

[Gol15]

Just now, dkw said:

If you truly believe that then there is no reason to discuss this further with you. An incredibly stupid notion.

At least you didn't dare to quote my whole response to you, which shows a lot abou you.
If you are not hitting on nobody's money and just walking around like sheep nobody will even notice you, the protests in France recently proved that violence made the people even more dedicated to their cause and in the end the president was forced to change things around, ironically when Antifa protested in the US some racist ran over a girl and killed her and the media labeled both sides equally violent even if Antifa did NOT kill anybody but it's very important to people in the US to point out that "destroying public property" is a sin and they don't like Antifa because they cost money, the thing is if they were not to cost money nobody would even talk about them as they wouldn't be seen as worthy of a discussion but because some people in the government got stuff broken it's a bigger thing to point out how it's wrong to smash a car during a protest and of course - not even wanting to deal with the actual reason behind the protest because the people held guilty have no intention of changing anything so they would be happy if those who are protesting would just make, less noise so that they could be ignored easier.

[Gol15]

1 minute ago, Slojo said:

I can already see that you're one post away from calling DKW an alt right racist. 

Calling somebody a fascist doesn't make you correct, and Antifa gets this wrong about 90% of the time. This is literally Antifa in a nut shell...

Except I already posted some page ago that if you argue that both sides are equally bad - you automatically lean towards the alt-right. So what does make you if you defend the alt-right? You tell me how would you describe yourself, or anyone that does that.

[Ewell CFC]

I think the left are generally more inclined to protest and march than those in the middle and to the right. 

( Generally more strident and generally gobby than your Middle Englander, silent majority joe public who would rather mow the lawn than walk around with silly placards)

I believe it was a Labour administration that promoted the expanded University system. I wonder why? Go to Uni ( lefty lecturers have dominated higher education for decades), get brainwashed, and vote Labour for the rest of your life.

Cynical old me...

[yorkleyblue]

42 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

The only way to really get someones attention is through real protest where violence happens,

Jeeezus f**king christ, that is f**ked up.  So, according to you the KKK lynching negroes in America was justified, because that got people's  attention.  The Charlie Hebdo attack was justified, that got people's attention, some dumb f**kwit drives a truck into a crowd   - yep that got my attention.  

I don't know what the f**k you are on, nor what sort of education you had, but you are one insane bastard if you truly believe that.  BUT, I don'y think you do truly believe that, I just think you read it somewhere and are just some half-wit poser.

Edited December 19, 2018 by yorkleyblue

[yorkleyblue]

11 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

I think the left are generally more inclined to protest and march than those in the middle and to the right. 

( Generally more strident and generally gobby than your Middle Englander, silent majority joe public who would rather mow the lawn than walk around with silly placards)

I believe it was a Labour administration that promoted the expanded University system. I wonder why? Go to Uni ( lefty lecturers have dominated higher education for decades), get brainwashed, and vote Labour for the rest of your life.

Cynical old me?...

Oh dear me, that's a bit sad mate.  You do know that the entire Conservative parliamentary party went to university, right?

 

[Zeta]

Well this has strayed far off topic. There is a politics thread for this sort of thing.

[Gol15]

18 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Jeeezus f**king christ, that is f**ked up.  So, according to you the KKK lynching negroes in America was justified, because that got people's  attention.  The Charlie Hebdo attack was justified, that got people's attention, some dumb f**kwit drives a truck into a crowd   - yep that got my attention.  

I don't know what teh f**k you are on, nor what sort of education you had, but you are one insane bastard if you truly believe that.  BUT, I don'y think you do truly believe that, I just think you read it somewhere and are just some half-wit poser.

No, I'm saying that people often discredit Antifa because of violence or destruction of public property.
Put into context what I'm saying, because my only argument here at this point is the following;
If you claim that both Antifa and alt-right are equally bad - you are leaning towards the alt-right by doing so.
And I posted a video about it showing how a centrist point of view is in most cases leaning toward the right and not actually centrist.

So I'm not arguing about much other then from a practice-proven and philosophical point of view it's not correct to deem both Antifa and the far-right as equal.

Just like Ready Player One said some pages ago:"Re?ally the one rule to stick by is "don't be a fascist". If that's too hard, just "Don't be a racist". That'll do. "

And if you are not convinced be my guest:
 

 

 

Although I forgot to mention that if you're not convinced, it's not unusual that fascists very rarely call themselves as such, so...I'll take it how ever it comes it's nothing new to me.

Edited December 19, 2018 by Gol15

[dkw]

11 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Jeeezus f**king christ, that is f**ked up.  So, according to you the KKK lynching negroes in America was justified, because that got people's  attention.  The Charlie Hebdo attack was justified, that got people's attention, some dumb f**kwit drives a truck into a crowd   - yep that got my attention.  

I don't know what the f**k you are on, nor what sort of education you had, but you are one insane bastard if you truly believe that.  BUT, I don'y think you do truly believe that, I just think you read it somewhere and are just some half-wit poser.

I truly hope he's either just on a wind up or a bit dim, because anyone who believes that is incredibly stupid and dangerous. 

[yorkleyblue]

Probably some 13-year old who has a lot of time on his/her hands to go trawling the depths of youtube for self-justification.

 

[yorkleyblue]

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

Except I already posted some page ago that if you argue that both sides are equally bad - you automatically lean towards the alt-right.

In YOUR opinion.  What makes your opinion about that valid?

[Ready Player One]

2 hours ago, Slojo said:

Not even remotely true in the slightest...

What I said what exactly true. Not an opinion. A literal truth of the political spectrum of governance. Anarchy is one extreme. Dictatorship is the other. Both are effectively "no government". Power absolutely in the hands of an individual, and power absolutely devolved to the collective. 

2 hours ago, Slojo said:

The pair of you calling Peterson a moron while simultaneously thinking left wing means less government is quite amusing I must say... You're conflating liberalism with left wing and conservatism with right wing. 

I presented the extremes to disprove a statement. I conflated nothing. 

2 hours ago, Slojo said:

Would you actually say Milton Friedman is left wing because he strongly opposes Government? He's a true liberal

He's a libertarian who bordered on being a plutocrat iirc. In terms of him, "left/right" was more about who had the power, and he wanted the power to go to capital. The King who takes all your land and most of your money may have a small government, or no "government" at all, but an all powerful monarchy is to the right of that spectrum because all the power belongs to an individual. 

"Big government" is a middle ground between complete power in the hands of capital (or an individual) and complete power in the hands of the workers or the individual. It is neither left nor right. It is devolved power. There are those who may want it abolished in favour of everyone having the same (the extreme left). And on the other end of the spectrum there are those who want it abolished in favour of power being centralised with one or few (either through capital or otherwise, plutocrats, monarchs or dictators, whatever). 

You're arguing from a mistaken belief that the little shifts in the middle define the whole.

FWIW left/right is far too simplistic, because you can have extreme left wing economic systems with extreme right wing systems of government and/or extreme right wing social policies (dictatorial communists for example) and vice versa (the idea of benevolent dictator or monarch maybe). There is no simple "spectrum". The current way of measuring it is a kind of grid (economic and social policies), and even that is too simplistic really. For example Duterte is "a socialist" but he is generally considered far right irregardless, and the common ground between him and (for example) Corbyn or Sanders is very small (mostly labour rights, which Duterte champions). 

[Gol15]

9 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

In YOUR opinion.  What makes your opinion about that valid?

Take your time and spend a few hours watching all the videos I posted and then ask yourself that same question, start with the 33 min video about the horseshoe theory from some pages ago.

[strider6004]

40 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

I think the left are generally more inclined to protest and march than those in the middle and to the right. 

( Generally more strident and generally gobby than your Middle Englander, silent majority joe public who would rather mow the lawn than walk around with silly placards)

I believe it was a Labour administration that promoted the expanded University system. I wonder why? Go to Uni ( lefty lecturers have dominated higher education for decades), get brainwashed, and vote Labour for the rest of your life.

Cynical old me...

You are right to be cynical, I was told about 10 years ago to not go on street protests as there were agent provocateurs and instead talk to people.

I've always laughed about the concept of England as the English last ruler was 1066.  Even today higher concertation of Norman blood indicates a better chance of success statistically.

We have elites and corruption but it is disguised unless you take a trip to the local council when they are debating a new building development where there is local dissent then you get to see how it works.

 

 

[atomis]

2 hours ago, Slojo said:

Come on you don't think Cenk is good do you? That guy makes me embarrassed to call myself a Turk sometimes, he still denies the Armenian genocide happened, that's worse than what Alex Jones did with the Sandy Hook shooting. 

And you're correct, left/right wing can be purely subjective really but stereotypically it's always been left wing = pro government, right wing = less government for the past 60 years or so, before that right wing was pro monarch then you could make a point. Some people conflate right wing and left wing with nationalism or anti nationalism, or liberalism and authoritarianism and I think they're both horribly wrong. 

I just don't like when people have their own version of it, my side is good, your side is bad etc. 

Alex jones.....what a f**king tool he is. He is in the pockets of the same people he so professes he hates and fights against. Sure Alex you just sneeked past the Bilderbergers and filmed their sh*t without incident....and thats just a tiny bit of the whole BS he claims.

[Slojo]

42 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Well this has strayed far off topic. There is a politics thread for this sort of thing.

Good point, I'll take responsibility for it I derailed it a lot. 

[Ewell CFC]

44 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Oh dear me, that's a bit sad mate.  You do know that the entire Conservative parliamentary party went to university, right?

 

Slightly exaggerated mate but I stand by the jist of it.

I wouldn’t want to be a young conservative in Uni. I’ve hesrd in order to blend in they’ve hang the obligatory Che Guevara poster on their walls. What the lefty students don’t know is they get ripped off to reveal a Jacob Reece Mogg poster blue tacked underneath when no ones looking.

[Gol15]

22 minutes ago, Ready Player One said:

 

You're arguing from a mistaken belief that the little shifts in the middle define the whole.

 

The problematic there IMO is that he is not that much mistaken because as the saying goes “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men doing nothing.”

In historical sense this is proven true, the ones that think that they are in the middle and dislike both "extremes" found themselves being ruled over by the worse evil, most of the times I dare to say.

It took Europe way too long to react against fascism, and today the term "moderate" can be a representation of people that acutally are totally fine with being oppressed in some examples.

Edited December 19, 2018 by Gol15

[Munkunku]

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

Well this has strayed far off topic. There is a politics thread for this sort of thing.

You tried buddy. 

[Zola]

I think this has ran its course.... depressingly off course!