According to the Times 22 Holdco has total borrowings of £1.16billion and is paying interest at between 7.7 and 11.96 per cent. We made interest payments of £94m last year.

Aren’t these Man Utd type interest payments that have crippled the club? We are also not generating anything close to what Utd do revenue wise. The interest rate is scary.

3 hours ago, evissy said:

In those terms I agree with you. I like the system in Germany. Not for each and every culture though.

Untested really here in UK... We could boost capcity in the stadium with safe standing... The ticket tout who owns us could sell more overpriced tickets standing with "real" fans and they have it in Germany and other places... "Not for each and every culture though"... it certainly can happen, I presume you mean corporate bastardised Yankland... home of the school shooters and insider trading with cartel cash... you continue to do you and project that onto us. No worries. ;-)

In Spain, there are 4 clubs in La Liga that are owned by their members, Athletic Club, Osasuna, Real Madrid and Barcelona. That means that there are elections to choose the president, they can vote to change things and decide on their policies.

Premier League is so dependent on its massive global reach and the sponsors that come with it, fan owned clubs are a fantasy.

I once visited Bayern Munich arena tour where they explained how it works in Germany. Good seats at BM few years back was 45€. I also visited Berlin Olympic Stadium to watch Hertha Berlin play. Great seats were around 35€. The price level of tickets are regulated so 'everyone' have a chance to see a game.

Global megaclubs like we are are reliant on TV-money and UCL and this new Club World Cup and everything else that is not the live game at stadium. It will grow more and more to that direction as well.

51 minutes ago, evissy said:

Premier League is so dependent on its massive global reach and the sponsors that come with it, fan owned clubs are a fantasy.

I once visited Bayern Munich arena tour where they explained how it works in Germany. Good seats at BM few years back was 45€. I also visited Berlin Olympic Stadium to watch Hertha Berlin play. Great seats were around 35€. The price level of tickets are regulated so 'everyone' have a chance to see a game.

Global megaclubs like we are are reliant on TV-money and UCL and this new Club World Cup and everything else that is not the live game at stadium. It will grow more and more to that direction as well.

Real Madrid and Barcelona prove that what you say there (bolded part) is bs.

2 hours ago, RMH said:

Real Madrid and Barcelona prove that what you say there (bolded part) is bs.

🙄...if we could wind the clock back 100 years. Do you honestly think in this capitalistic world the likes of Boehly abd co giving 51% to the fans...

7 minutes ago, evissy said:

🙄...if we could wind the clock back 100 years. Do you honestly think in this capitalistic world the likes of Boehly abd co giving 51% to the fans...

I don’t think Boehly and the other owners would give 51% percent to the fans. But you said, and I quote you: “fan owned clubs are a fantasy.”, to which I say that it is BS because there are 4 clubs in La Liga, entirely owned by members. It is not fantasy, it is reality, with two very successful clubs world wide (and a third, Athletic being the club with the second highest number of Spanish Cups in its cabinet and having never been relegated) being owned by the members, with elections to chose the president, etc.

Our holding company.." HoldCo" ( first I've heard of em) are paying out millions every year ( £59 million) in interest on a massive £1.16 billion debt. Something about debts due in 2027, ( something to look forward to) and another due six years later. ...

"With a debt mountain exceeding £1.16 billion and hefty interest payments of nearly £59 million made just last season, the financial future looks bleak for Chelsea’s parent company. The looming debts, especially those due in 2027 and 2033 with increasing payment-in-kind interest, could spell disaster if not managed effectively."

18 hours ago, RMH said:

Real Madrid and Barcelona prove that what you say there (bolded part) is bs.

Barcelona an advert for fan ownership? They are in their ongoing, serious financial doo-doo because a club President makes unsustainable promises at election time and the sucker members vote him in.

2 hours ago, dermott said:

Barcelona an advert for fan ownership? They are in their ongoing, serious financial doo-doo because a club President makes unsustainable promises at election time and the sucker members vote him in.

Yes, true, doesn’t it sound like our recent choices of representatives in our countries? In the other hand you get teams whose fans don’t have a voice, sounds like other countries…

Please, blueco et al., just f**k off out of this Club.

If Maresca and the directors are still here next season, then I don't think I can stomach anymore of it. It will be hard, but I will have to force myself to check out mentally when it comes to the football, because I cannot accept the way our club is being dismantled.

Every single conversation and thought about the club will be about saving it from them and the owners. I don't go to many games, so can't have a direct impact on the clubs finances, but I will promote and join in on any protest to end this clown show. I will not sit and wait to see everything we have achieved destroyed by these American egotists.

Fans can continue to contribute to this sh*tshow by throwing money at these owners, but the only thing you're doing is helping them sink the ship.

Edited April 13, 20251 yr by Scott Harris

I can only say that I’m only coming to the games because of meeting mates for a few drinks before the match. I may join them in the pub without paying for a ticket next season.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

If Maresca and the directors are still here next season, then I don't think I can stomach anymore of it.

I can already say I’m out. It’s confirmed self sabotage then.

Found this funny.

34 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I can already say I’m out. It’s confirmed self sabotage then.

Found this funny.

We're really close to becoming an absolute European powerhouse.

The only missing piece is a winning mentality coach to coach our winning mentality coach. Once that's sorted it's going to trebles every season!

21 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Our holding company.." HoldCo" ( first I've heard of em) are paying out millions every year ( £59 million) in interest on a massive £1.16 billion debt. Something about debts due in 2027, ( something to look forward to) and another due six years later. ...

"With a debt mountain exceeding £1.16 billion and hefty interest payments of nearly £59 million made just last season, the financial future looks bleak for Chelsea’s parent company. The looming debts, especially those due in 2027 and 2033 with increasing payment-in-kind interest, could spell disaster if not managed effectively."

Yes. They've managed to skirt around some of the PSR rules by selling off pieces of the club within their company structure. But the reality is they have wasted a fortune and have little chance of getting a return without genuine success on the pitch, and probably a bigger stadium. Even if they cash on some of the younger players it won't help much. If there is any possible positive here, perhaps it will lead to them reconsidering their position as owners and looknig to try and sell to another investor.

16 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Yes. They've managed to skirt around some of the PSR rules by selling off pieces of the club within their company structure. But the reality is they have wasted a fortune and have little chance of getting a return without genuine success on the pitch, and probably a bigger stadium. Even if they cash on some of the younger players it won't help much. If there is any possible positive here, perhaps it will lead to them reconsidering their position as owners and looknig to try and sell to another investor.

Watch Todd's last Bloomberg interview.

The club is now worth more than it was bought for. How ? " The trend is our friend" .

American investors were never going to gamble billions on getting good returns that were contingent on a football club achieving success that is unpredictable and difficult to achieve.

United have The Glazers

Blackburn The Venkys

We have Egbhali & Boehly

All clubs once EPL winners, never take anything in life for granted, sadly I don’t see a way out of this mess for our club. But as stated above as long as it’s valuation tops it’s debts scum speculators like Clearfake & the cretins running 🇺🇸 now will always be attracted to owning a ‘franchise’. Well you know where you can stick your 2 bob franchises and investment leveraging don’t you !

You know I hope @Sconnie Blue is right and they dodon'make a Penny unless we achieve some sort of consistent success. Maybe that is the only way they sell up,cover their losses.

Problem is Clearlake handle so many assets, so much money, that our club failing and losing money is barley a drop in their ocean. They could death grip us out of spite if they wanted to, so long as their shareholders get payouts from their many other projects.

Wyss himself is so loaded he may be happy enough to enjoy watching Roman's baby fall down the stairs. Such is his "hatred" of him.

Maybe Todd and Walter's feel it more, they enjoy the dodgers winning and getting invites to the Whitehouse to set up deals with, and have the president speak much praise for Walter's in particular.

Maybe they would appreciate Chelsea achieving glory. But once they let Clearlake take the majority share the idea was doomed.

Unfortunately the only way that they’ll realise their strategy is failing is by the team continuing to not get Champions league football and suffering with revenue. They’ll be forced to realised that the squad build is simply not good enough and WinStewart are to blame.

4 hours ago, JM7 said:

Unfortunately the only way that they’ll realise their strategy is failing is by the team continuing to not get Champions league football and suffering with revenue. They’ll be forced to realised that the squad build is simply not good enough and WinStewart are to blame.

If vast majority of the club supporters have long realized that, how come the billionaires in charge still cannot reach the same conclusion? Whatever our view of them is, fact is they're very succesful businessmen, so how dumb can they possibly be not to see what's going on and put two and two together?

What's crazy is that ownership has the easiest tap in at their disposal to win the fans back.

Sack Winstanley, Stewart, and Roberts.

Appoint Campos and give him the keys.

4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

What's crazy is that ownership has the easiest tap in at their disposal to win the fans back.

Sack Winstanley, Stewart, and Roberts.

Appoint Campos and give him the keys.

They aren't going anywhere. They've already signed Essugo and Quenda off transfer season. You don't get the green light from the ownership to do this unless your job is extremely secure.

These SDs are the hill this ownership will die on.

From the Financial Times couple of years ago.

Raine Group advisor who advised on the sale of Chelsea predicted that the top PL clubs will be worth in excess of 10 billion dollars in 5 years.

So the owners believe there are significant avenues yet to be explored. “There is a huge spread in media revenue,” says another person close to the Chelsea consortium. “That’s the opportunity"

He previously told the Financial Times that “Chelsea and all of the top Premier League clubs will [each] probably be worth in excess of $10bn in five years”.

2 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

From the Financial Times couple of years ago.

Raine Group advisor who advised on the sale of Chelsea predicted that the top PL clubs will be worth in excess of 10 billion dollars in 5 years.

So the owners believe there are significant avenues yet to be explored. “There is a huge spread in media revenue,” says another person close to the Chelsea consortium. “That’s the opportunity"

He previously told the Financial Times that “Chelsea and all of the top Premier League clubs will [each] probably be worth in excess of $10bn in five years”.

I wonder if we will still be a "top PL side" in 5 years.