We were due a bad one, if im honest i could see it coming after the first 10 minutes. We're usually sharp from the off but there was a lot of loose passing from several players which is unlike us. Everton done hardly anything to warrant the victory, we can have no arguments because we created very little. Just a bad day. luckily most of the others failed to capitalise so not much harm done.

Learn by it and move on is the most important thing we can take from it, Wolves are struggling a bit so we have a chance to put things back on track KTBFFH

12 hours ago, dkw said:

The actual state of this f**king thread after we lose our first game after being undefeated in 15, you lot are utterly insane and the worst "fans" in the game, calling for lampards head and "I've had enough"...cretins every one of you.

You make me smile Dick. You know as well as I do that the only way to keep people happy is to win every game. We were pants in that game and no shame in saying so. 

 

15 hours ago, dkw said:

The actual state of this f**king thread after we lose our first game after being undefeated in 15, you lot are utterly insane and the worst "fans" in the game, calling for lampards head and "I've had enough"...cretins every one of you.

Exactly! I have no idea why some people reacted like we lost 5-0 or something. We were due a poor lost after an excellent win streak. 

We're only 3 points away from the top. Hope Frank learns from this and sets us up better against Wolves and Spam

10 hours ago, ozboy said:

You make me smile Dick. You know as well as I do that the only way to keep people happy is to win every game. We were pants in that game and no shame in saying so. 

 

And thats fine, and expected and accepted. Say we were rubbish, even give an opinion as to why that was, question the mistakes players/the manager made. But the ones I aimed that at where the social media morons that have infected the board lately who after every defeat/draw decide all our players are rubbish, Frank has no idea what hes doing and needs sacked, the board must go as they sign all the wrong players etc. 

 

We are on the back of a 15 game run without a defeat, cruised through our CL group and are 3 points of the top of the league yet still we have cretins on here who lose their tiny little minds at a defeat. They arent supporters, they are "Fans" who actually seem to hope we lose so they can whine. Its so weird.

Edited December 14, 20205 yr by dkw

And this is what I'm saying about FL lack of managerial experience and tactical naivety...it was obvious after the first half that the team and system wasn't working, yet he sat on his hands till 66th minute before he made a change...can you see JM waiting that long? 

Edited December 14, 20205 yr by doctorblue

1 hour ago, dkw said:

And thats fine, and expected and accepted. Say we were rubbish, even give an opinion as to why that was, question the mistakes players/the manager made. But the ones I aimed that at where the social media morons that have infected the board lately who after every defeat/draw decide all our players are rubbish, Frank has no idea what hes doing and needs sacked, the board must go as they sign all the wrong players etc. 

 

We are on the back of a 15 game run without a defeat, cruised through our CL group and are 3 points of the top of the league yet still we have cretins on here who lose their tiny little minds at a defeat. They arent supporters, they are "Fans" who actually seem to hope we lose so they can whine. Its so weird.

Another blind sheep...

 

10 minutes ago, doctorblue said:

Another blind sheep...

Its easy being a armchair critic, until someone looks at your past posts.....

 

 

1 hour ago, coco said:

 

Its easy being a armchair critic, until someone looks at your past posts.....

 

 

There's a world of difference between resting players ahead of, and responding dynamically within games...FL has shown he's poor at the tactical side of things as evidence as Goodison and other matches...

Edited December 14, 20205 yr by doctorblue

Goals scored times for Chelsea

0-15       16-30     31-45     46-60     61-75     76-90                     1st H.     2nd H.

2-3          5-3          1-1          4-4          7-0          6-1                          8-7          17-5

BuT wHy dId He WaIt UnTiL tHe 66Th MiNuTe.......

4 hours ago, dkw said:

And thats fine, and expected and accepted. Say we were rubbish, even give an opinion as to why that was, question the mistakes players/the manager made. But the ones I aimed that at where the social media morons that have infected the board lately who after every defeat/draw decide all our players are rubbish, Frank has no idea what hes doing and needs sacked, the board must go as they sign all the wrong players etc. 

 

We are on the back of a 15 game run without a defeat, cruised through our CL group and are 3 points of the top of the league yet still we have cretins on here who lose their tiny little minds at a defeat. They arent supporters, they are "Fans" who actually seem to hope we lose so they can whine. Its so weird.

This is why I prefer if people say their piece before the match. The hindsight and reactionary sh*thousery is what gets on my nerves every time we lose. The usual people pop up. If you don't think Frank is the right man for the job, fair enough, that's your opinion. Explain it and back the team, but don't start piping up on the forum once we lose, I can't stand that sort of mentality. 

I'm gutted with the loss, but it had very little to do with Frank in my opinion, missing 3 wingers would kill any team in the top 6, it's massive. But I barely saw anyone say "Frank should start with this lineup instead of the standard one we've been using", now all of a sudden everyone has this opinion that Frank made the wrong tactical choice before the game and should've played with a back 3 or adjusted to playing more central. Easy to f**king say now, I only saw a handful of people mention it before the game kicked off. Not difficult to see why he took the risk with Havertz and Werner out wide when options are limited, I wish people would be more objective. 

All in all, things are good, December is worrying with the injuries we have though. But again, that's not Franks fault, I just don't see how it can be.

1 hour ago, doctorblue said:

There's a world of difference between resting players ahead of, and responding dynamically within games...FL has shown he's poor at the tactical side of things as evidence as Goodison and other matches...

You can't keep chopping and changing when you have a winning formula. It's not that easy, you mention Jose yet when does Jose ever do that? Jose is as stubborn and pragmatic as they come, although yes he will make changes in the big games. But so does Frank, did you forget the point at Old Trafford? You could tell Frank played for the point and it was the right decision, we've lost too many times against United while outplaying them, if Frank used the same setup again people would be clammering with the "How naive is Frank, he's fell for Ole's trap again". You can spin this narrative no matter what. 

Last season we went to a back 5 due to the terrible defending, in the longrun it didn't help. We won most of our points in the back 4 with Jorginho-Kovacic in the pivot. As soon as Frank started tinkering due to injuries and to accommodate returning players, we completely lost the plot and had some very patchy form in 2020. If we start going back to a back 5 or whatever because we have no wingers, we will completely change our winning formulae. Did you think about any of this? Or just immediately jumped the gun and thought Frank due to inexperience clearly can't adapt or make good tactical decisions? I can completely see why he took the chance of keeping the same setup despite our lack of options. He took a gamble, it didn't pay off. 

2 hours ago, doctorblue said:

There's a world of difference between resting players ahead of, and responding dynamically within games...FL has shown he's poor at the tactical side of things as evidence as Goodison and other matches...

15 match unbeaten streak before this including comeback victories and this is the stick you beat Lampard with? 

Lampard just can't win with you can he? 

18 hours ago, Deino said:

15 match unbeaten streak before this including comeback victories and this is the stick you beat Lampard with? 

Lampard just can't win with you can he? 

Haven't beaten any of the 10 top...

19 hours ago, Slojo said:

You can't keep chopping and changing when you have a winning formula. It's not that easy, you mention Jose yet when does Jose ever do that? Jose is as stubborn and pragmatic as they come, although yes he will make changes in the big games. But so does Frank, did you forget the point at Old Trafford? You could tell Frank played for the point and it was the right decision, we've lost too many times against United while outplaying them, if Frank used the same setup again people would be clammering with the "How naive is Frank, he's fell for Ole's trap again". You can spin this narrative no matter what. 

Last season we went to a back 5 due to the terrible defending, in the longrun it didn't help. We won most of our points in the back 4 with Jorginho-Kovacic in the pivot. As soon as Frank started tinkering due to injuries and to accommodate returning players, we completely lost the plot and had some very patchy form in 2020. If we start going back to a back 5 or whatever because we have no wingers, we will completely change our winning formulae. Did you think about any of this? Or just immediately jumped the gun and thought Frank due to inexperience clearly can't adapt or make good tactical decisions? I can completely see why he took the chance of keeping the same setup despite our lack of options. He took a gamble, it didn't pay off. 

JM had the ability to recognise during games when things are not going right, and then have the bottle to make changes...remember Ashley Cole being dragged off in the first half? FL hasn't shown that ability, a more experienced one would...and we haven't beaten any of the top 10...if you look at who we've beaten it's hardly stellar...

6 minutes ago, doctorblue said:

JM had the ability to recognise during games when things are not going right, and then have the bottle to make changes...remember Ashley Cole being dragged off in the first half? FL hasn't shown that ability, a more experienced one would...and we haven't beaten any of the top 10...if you look at who we've beaten it's hardly stellar...

Doesn't always work though. I can recall on a number of occasions when we had a 1-0 lead Mourinho would sacrifice someone like Joey Cole or another attacking player and put Mikel on to shut up shop and see the game out, only for us to sit too deep and concede an equaliser.

Much prefer to have a manager who isn't as negative as Mourinho, although I do admit. sometimes Lamps could look to make the changes a little earlier. 

Glad you see my point...

35 minutes ago, doctorblue said:

Glad you see my point...

And what about all the nightmares Ivanovic had in his 3rd season back here? But he kept playing a full 90 minutes. This is complete revisionism. 

Jose was well known for having favourites and playing out of form players, he had one of the best LB's in the world in Felipe Luis and decided to play Azpi there for a full season instead. 

Frank hooked off Emerson and Alonso on two seperate occasions when they had horrible games, Ajax and Arsenal. He also took off 3 players at halftime in the Leicester quarter final, because in Franks own words he said it was the worst he's ever seen us play. 

38 minutes ago, Slojo said:

And what about all the nightmares Ivanovic had in his 3rd season back here? But he kept playing a full 90 minutes. This is complete revisionism. 

Jose was well known for having favourites and playing out of form players, he had one of the best LB's in the world in Felipe Luis and decided to play Azpi there for a full season instead. 

Frank hooked off Emerson and Alonso on two seperate occasions when they had horrible games, Ajax and Arsenal. He also took off 3 players at halftime in the Leicester quarter final, because in Franks own words he said it was the worst he's ever seen us play. 

Revisionism a.k.a. looking for a stick with which to beat Lampard 

On 13/12/2020 at 09:25, chi blue said:

Did we lose? Think I pulled a tactical masterclass, watched strictly with the Mrs and beer, Christmas is coming, it’s only a game. Footballs not the same anymore anyway.

I did much the same, mate. I don't approve of football at 8pm on Saturday night, anyway, or any of these weird odd times of matches.  It's bad enough having loads of matches on a Sunday and Monday nights can get to f**k  Purely to boost Sky/BT viewing figures, nothing to do with the fans..

Edited December 15, 20205 yr by yorkleyblue

2 hours ago, doctorblue said:

Haven't beaten any of the 10 top...

So the goalposts keep moving. Bear in mind we haven't played every team in the top 10 yet and some of the draws was due to a personal errors but don't let that get in the way of your agenda

I'm guessing you didn't celebrate our wins either? Seeing how terrible the tactics and formations Frank employed, I guess we lucked out to an unbeaten 15 win streak then eh? 

Edited December 15, 20205 yr by Deino

28 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

I did much the same, mate. I don't approve of football at 8pm on Saturday night, anyway, or any of these weird odd times of matches.  It's bad enough having loads of matches on a Sunday and Monday nights can get to f**k  Purely to boost Sky/BT viewing figures, nothing to do with the fans..

I must admit, as much as I love Chelsea and football, I'm nowhere near as passionate now when I was as a kid. I used to watch every match that was on years ago, now I usually only watch Chelsea games and that's that. 

6 minutes ago, Slojo said:

I must admit, as much as I love Chelsea and football, I'm nowhere near as passionate now when I was as a kid. I used to watch every match that was on years ago, now I usually only watch Chelsea games and that's that. 

I only ever watch Chelsea games, but Saturday night at 8 is just taking the piss

9 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

I only ever watch Chelsea games, but Saturday night at 8 is just taking the piss

Especially as your put to bed at 7.30pm now...

1 minute ago, dkw said:

Especially as your put to bed at 7.30pm now...

Yep, tucked in with cocoa and a packet of Werthers.  Up every 2 hours for a piss, whether I need one or not.

As there is nothing else on the telly remotely worth watching, I'm quite looking forward to matches starting at 7 pm (local time), midweek matches being a given these days. Full time around 9pm, in bed at a normal time for the alarm at 6.30am next morning  Mood depends on the result, though...