1 hour ago, El regreso said:

Sterling had been consistently scoring for City that the difference between him and who you mentioned. He’s proven player at this level.

Sterling hadn't been playing regularly. That's why he left City and why Pep wasn't bothered about him going.

3 hours ago, just said:

Sterling hadn't been playing regularly. That's why he left City and why Pep wasn't bothered about him going.

Bringing in Haaland, Alvarez and, for that matter, the £100m Grealish explains a lot, too. (And it has taken Pep a season and a half to educate Grealish) They let Jesus go, too. Who has prospered at Arsenal because he slotted into a disciplined, organised system. Unlike Chelsea's chaotic revolving door of a forward set up.

With a proper manager and a settled system, he will get better. He was never a great finisher, but gets a lot of chances with his movement into the box, but this season he barely get a sight of goal in many games he played.

18 hours ago, dermott said:

Bringing in Haaland, Alvarez and, for that matter, the £100m Grealish explains a lot, too. (And it has taken Pep a season and a half to educate Grealish) They let Jesus go, too. Who has prospered at Arsenal because he slotted into a disciplined, organised system. Unlike Chelsea's chaotic revolving door of a forward set up.

I don't think the one that really change is Grealish, it is more the way city play this season suit Grealish more. 

If we make the deal attractive too them I believe Arsenal woild buy Sterling. Arteta have worked with him before and Sterling wants to stay in London. We also hear they have offered Rice more than 300k a week to sign for them, so they can afford his wages too.

Arsenal lack experience in the wide forward roles.

All we need to offset our FFP cost is a 38mill fee. I believe we can get them to spend that, maybe even more to make a small profit. Even if they don't it will have us big on wages and 9.5mill a season on FFP.

On 16/05/2023 at 19:08, Bob stark said:

I don't think the one that really change is Grealish, it is more the way city play this season suit Grealish more. 

Yep, he and Bernardo are somewhat integral to this new approach as they are the "safe" outlets. Man City can do this because Haaland, De Bruyne and Alvarez are all capable of being a one-man counter attack.

Speaking of - I wonder if we can test the waters with a bid for Julian Alvarez? Haaland is going nowhere...

38 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Yep, he and Bernardo are somewhat integral to this new approach as they are the "safe" outlets. Man City can do this because Haaland, De Bruyne and Alvarez are all capable of being a one-man counter attack.

Speaking of - I wonder if we can test the waters with a bid for Julian Alvarez? Haaland is going nowhere...

Agree, in case like Grealish, a lot of people will say the one that change is the player. To some degree of course he need to adapt playing for City but usually the one that change is the player. 

I think Alvarez signed a new contract a couple months ago. 

 

Well it's all gone quite over here! After a full season what do we think? Keep or look to off-load? 

He had a bit of new club bounce when he first arrived but there can be no arguments that he has been massively disappointing after that.

He has always been a player that needs 5 or 6 chances to convert 1 and his decision making isn't great with the final ball either. His key assets were his pace and his directness. In his prime he just got the ball, ran at the opposition and forced defenders to make decisions. He is going to be 29 this year and as one of the senior and highest paid players you would have thought he would have taken more responsibility on the pitch and shown some leadership qualities.

To me he has looked like he has lost a yard of pace and his hunger. He looks like Torres MK II. I'm 100% in the sell camp.

Would also be in the sell camp but it’s not going to happen unless Sterling himself wants to move on. No one is going to match his wages unless we let him go very cheap.

I was excited to see him play for us, I thought he had that ability of attacking the crosses that we were lacking. At the beginning of the season, under Tuchel, I thought he was working mor or less well, but then all things starting falling down and he went into useless mode like all the other players. Then again, he has been played as wingback for half a season. Sell if the right offer comes for him, if not, persist under a new coach that knows how to coach and set up tactically a team.

9 minutes ago, just said:

Well it's all gone quite over here! After a full season what do we think? Keep or look to off-load? 

He had a bit of new club bounce when he first arrived but there can be no arguments that he has been massively disappointing after that.

He has always been a player that needs 5 or 6 chances to convert 1 and his decision making isn't great with the final ball either. His key assets were his pace and his directness. In his prime he just got the ball, ran at the opposition and forced defenders to make decisions. He is going to be 29 this year and as one of the senior and highest paid players you would have thought he would have taken more responsibility on the pitch and shown some leadership qualities.

To me he has looked like he has lost a yard of pace and his hunger. He looks like Torres MK II. I'm 100% in the sell camp.

I am 100% in the keep camp.

Difficult season but he still came up with 9 open play goals in 33 starts for the club. That isn't Sterling at his best but considering the season was a complete disaster it's respectable. He's also been inconsistent but at times he's proved that he's a level above every other attacker we have and I believe he will find consistency and do well under Pochettino.

As RMH mentions he was also disrupted by this wingback experiment that was probably the dumbest move i've ever seen from a manager at any level. Until Potter came in he was genuinely very good and our best attacker by far and then he tried to turn him into a wingback with defensive responsebilities which was just utterly dumb.

Edited June 2, 20233 yr by OriginalS

6 minutes ago, just said:

Well it's all gone quite over here! After a full season what do we think? Keep or look to off-load? 

He had a bit of new club bounce when he first arrived but there can be no arguments that he has been massively disappointing after that.

He has always been a player that needs 5 or 6 chances to convert 1 and his decision making isn't great with the final ball either. His key assets were his pace and his directness. In his prime he just got the ball, ran at the opposition and forced defenders to make decisions. He is going to be 29 this year and as one of the senior and highest paid players you would have thought he would have taken more responsibility on the pitch and shown some leadership qualities.

To me he has looked like he has lost a yard of pace and his hunger. He looks like Torres MK II. I'm 100% in the sell camp.

I would keep him to see how he does under Pochettino, I believe despite his poor performances he's still one of our best attackers and one that tries to make things happen. I think the stats back that up to but can't be bothered getting into that just going off the eye test. 

Also we are quite short on actual wingers for Pochettino's system, that combined with his wages means we don't have the luxury to sell. 

Hopefully tuchel stays at Bayern and wants to take sterling to Germany. Can’t see any other club in England who will take him 

6 minutes ago, just said:

Well it's all gone quite over here! After a full season what do we think? Keep or look to off-load? 

He had a bit of new club bounce when he first arrived but there can be no arguments that he has been massively disappointing after that.

He has always been a player that needs 5 or 6 chances to convert 1 and his decision making isn't great with the final ball either. His key assets were his pace and his directness. In his prime he just got the ball, ran at the opposition and forced defenders to make decisions. He is going to be 29 this year and as one of the senior and highest paid players you would have thought he would have taken more responsibility on the pitch and shown some leadership qualities.

To me he has looked like he has lost a yard of pace and his hunger. He looks like Torres MK II. I'm 100% in the sell camp.

It at all possible - sell. If he is on anything close to the rumoured wages, we need to let him go if we are serious about restructering the wage model. Same with Koulibaly. As others have said though, I think its only possible if he himself wants to leave and takes a pay cut so yeah - not likely to happen. He doesn’t look too happy here though, so who knows. 

Its strange, but he is one of those who never felt like a Chelsea player to me, for whatever reason. Every time I see him in our shirt it just looks weird 

32 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

I am 100% in the keep camp.

Difficult season but he still came up with 9 open play goals in 33 starts for the club. That isn't Sterling at his best but considering the season was a complete disaster it's respectable. He's also been inconsistent but at times he's proved that he's a level above every other attacker we have and I believe he will find consistency and do well under Pochettino.

As RMH mentions he was also disrupted by this wingback experiment that was probably the dumbest move i've ever seen from a manager at any level. Until Potter came in he was genuinely very good and our best attacker by far and then he tried to turn him into a wingback with defensive responsebilities which was just utterly dumb.

It was only a few games that he was asked to fill in at WB. I don't see how that is any kind of excuse for the rest of his performances afterwards. Tuchel wasn't adverse to trying to fit square pegs in round holes either when it came to the WB positions.

Edited June 2, 20233 yr by just

39 minutes ago, just said:

Well it's all gone quite over here! After a full season what do we think? Keep or look to off-load? 

He had a bit of new club bounce when he first arrived but there can be no arguments that he has been massively disappointing after that.

He has always been a player that needs 5 or 6 chances to convert 1 and his decision making isn't great with the final ball either. His key assets were his pace and his directness. In his prime he just got the ball, ran at the opposition and forced defenders to make decisions. He is going to be 29 this year and as one of the senior and highest paid players you would have thought he would have taken more responsibility on the pitch and shown some leadership qualities.

To me he has looked like he has lost a yard of pace and his hunger. He looks like Torres MK II. I'm 100% in the sell camp.

Easy keep for me.

Realistically, it is very difficult to move him unlesss Sterling really want to go (Lukaku). 

I still think he is a good player and more importantly he is still much better than murdyk. 

42 minutes ago, just said:

Well it's all gone quite over here! After a full season what do we think? Keep or look to off-load? 

He had a bit of new club bounce when he first arrived but there can be no arguments that he has been massively disappointing after that.

He has always been a player that needs 5 or 6 chances to convert 1 and his decision making isn't great with the final ball either. His key assets were his pace and his directness. In his prime he just got the ball, ran at the opposition and forced defenders to make decisions. He is going to be 29 this year and as one of the senior and highest paid players you would have thought he would have taken more responsibility on the pitch and shown some leadership qualities.

To me he has looked like he has lost a yard of pace and his hunger. He looks like Torres MK II. I'm 100% in the sell camp.

Looks like a player who has lost a bit of appetite for the game. He wanted a move back to London, which hasn't been a great success. Maybe being burgled for a second time has knocked the stuffing out of him and his family. A more low key move abroad may benefit all parties, though his wage will be a huge stumbling block.

7 minutes ago, just said:

It was only a few games that he was asked to fill in at WB. I don't see how that is any kind of excuse for the rest of his performances afterwards. Tuchel wasn't adverse to trying to fit square pegs in round holes either when it came to the WB positions.

It was definitly quite a few games. And it disrupted his good form which was my main point. One week he was a left wingback, another week he was the wingback on the other side, a week after that he was the striker etc.

Not ideal conditions to perform in for anyone and thats very much part of the reason Sterling struggled this season for me.

 

8 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

It was definitly quite a few games. And it disrupted his good form which was my main point. One week he was a left wingback, another week he was the wingback on the other side, a week after that he was the striker etc.

Not ideal conditions to perform in for anyone and thats very much part of the reason Sterling struggled this season for me.

 

Spot on. And not just Sterling. It was a ludicrous season for all. Which is why I'm reserving judgement on a lot of players.

1 hour ago, OriginalS said:

It was definitly quite a few games. And it disrupted his good form which was my main point. One week he was a left wingback, another week he was the wingback on the other side, a week after that he was the striker etc.

Not ideal conditions to perform in for anyone and thats very much part of the reason Sterling struggled this season for me.

 

This didn't ring true to me so I've actually gone back to check this via the BBC Sport site which gives the starting formations for each game. Potter only started him a grand total of 4 times as WB and we only lost one of those games!

14/9 FC Salzburg (home) Left wing back - 1-1 draw. (Potter's 1st game in charge).

16/10 Aston Villa (away) Right wing back - 0-2 win.

25/10 FC Salzburg (away) Left wing back - 1-2 win.

29/10 Brighton (away) Left wing back - 4-1 loss.

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised, if we went back and checked, that Tuchel used Pulisic as a WB more than that!

4 minutes ago, just said:

I wouldn't be at all surprised, if we went back and checked, that Tuchel used Pulisic as a WB more than that!

Pulisic was never our best and most dangerous attacker was he? Potter also used Pulisic as a wingback sometimes and I haven't complained about that.

Not to mention that Tuchel's system was different. When he used wingers at wingback we would transition to a back 4 in defence much like City is doing right now basically so we were covered defensively and could release a few more players when we attacked.

 

14 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Pulisic was never our best and most dangerous attacker was he? Potter also used Pulisic as a wingback sometimes and I haven't complained about that.

Not to mention that Tuchel's system was different. When he used wingers at wingback we would transition to a back 4 in defence much like City is doing right now basically so we were covered defensively and could release a few more players when we attacked.

 

4 times.

8 minutes ago, just said:

4 times.

Ok so about 25% of the games he started for Potter, Raheem Sterling was a wingback. On more than one occassion he was also a wingback when he was subbed on.

If you don't think that + being shifted around in multiple other positions disrupted Sterling and his quality then be my guest but I disagree.

 

Just now, OriginalS said:

Ok so about 25% of the games he started for Potter, Raheem Sterling was a wingback. On more than one occassion he was also a wingback when he was subbed on.

If you don't think that + being shifted around in multiple other positions disrupted Sterling and his quality then be my guest but I disagree.

 

4 games across all competitions over the course of the season. Not a lot is it?

2 minutes ago, just said:

4 games across all competitions over the course of the season. Not a lot is it?

Never said it was a lot but was it enough to affect his good momentum and form? For me the answer to that is yes so I am confident Sterling will turn it around at this club.