Broja to West Ham
on loan
I think it is a sensible move. They need a striker, he will get games and he looked nowhere near good enough yet to play for Chelsea.

It was suggested on talksport that he's pushing for a permanent move.

19 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Broja to West Ham
on loan
I think it is a sensible move. They need a striker, he will get games and he looked nowhere near good enough yet to play for Chelsea.

After watching the Club America game, its evident that WE NEED A STRIKER, so why not give Broja a try ???

15 minutes ago, hawkster said:

It was suggested on talksport that he's pushing for a permanent move.

New club = new contract = new terms, more likely to be his Agent that is pressing !!

Edited July 18, 20224 yr by coombsie

Pissed if true. Deserved a chance imo

44 minutes ago, hawkster said:

It was suggested on talksport that he's pushing for a permanent move.

Well, we have no reason to go for a permanent move. Broja is worth 25-30 million today and if he has a good season we can add 10-15 million to that price. We will get "Tammy Money" for him in the end.

We do NEED a striker, but this lad is not the striker we need.

Supposedly Broja wants a decent amount of playing time, and I suspect that we are not in a position to give him that at the moment. But he has a decent amount of years left on his contract so a loan would make more sense at the moment. At best we will get 25-30m for him right now on a permanent deal, which could prove to be a massive bargain for West Ham.

Either way though if he leaves on loan or permanently, then we would surely need to bring in another striker in advance of the current season. As it is we have just Kai who is really not a natural number 9 anyway. Batshuaiyi is not good enough, even as a backup, and should be sold.

Regardless of whether we want to keep him or not (which I think we should do), we should in no way be selling to West Ham without playing extremely hard ball 

8 minutes ago, Frawdulant said:

Regardless of whether we want to keep him or not (which I think we should do), we should in no way be selling to West Ham without playing extremely hard ball 

Or theyre doing spam a favour for one in return!

Note - though now he has asked for a permanent move.

Both Batshuayi and Havertz missed open goals and Werner's (goal) was a failed deflected attempt off Batshuayi's arm. 

Broja provided some assurance but with him gone i'm afraid we are in a sticky situation. 

Not much we could have done if he is pushing for a move. 

8 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Not much we could have done if he is pushing for a move. 

He's on a 5 year deal. There's a lot we can do. 

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

He's on a 5 year deal. There's a lot we can do. 

Yeah sell him for more but risk no return favour for rice next summer!

No way should we keep players that want to leave, We had that in the early 2000's all over the league and it was a mess

Sell him and whoever else, Dont get attached and use the money to upgrade or improve 

Intergrating academy players into the first team at PL level esp top 6 is hard because of the small number of players that ever do, Liverpool probably done that best along with us time to time like mason and reece but they stood out from very young

Also player power, He's probably had plans to move on for ages

6 minutes ago, Kantesmini said:

Yeah sell him for more but risk no return favour for rice next summer!

No way should we keep players that want to leave, We had that in the early 2000's all over the league and it was a mess

Sell him and whoever else, Dont get attached and use the money to upgrade or improve 

Intergrating academy players into the first team at PL level esp top 6 is hard because of the small number of players that ever do, Liverpool probably done that best along with us time to time like mason and reece but they stood out from very young

Also player power, He's probably had plans to move on for ages

So you are still under the belief we want Declan Rice? Remember Boehly and Co are going to deal with data moving forward, and when they analyze Declan Rice his qualities don't correlate with a progressive/possession minded squad. Jude Bellingham will be more likely. 

Broja is on a 5 year deal so he really has no leverage. This isn't the same as Livramento. You just have to look at Saturday night where Havertz, Werner, and Batshuayi all in beautiful fashion missed easy chances as if last season never ended. Unless we have someone lined up it makes no feasible sense to suggest we are better off without Broja vs with him. 

4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

So you are still under the belief we want Declan Rice? Remember Boehly and Co are going to deal with data moving forward, and when they analyze Declan Rice his qualities don't correlate with a progressive/possession minded squad. Jude Bellingham will be more likely. 

Broja is on a 5 year deal so he really has no leverage. This isn't the same as Livramento. You just have to look at Saturday night where Havertz, Werner, and Batshuayi all in beautiful fashion missed easy chances as if last season never ended. Unless we have someone lined up it makes no feasible sense to suggest we are better off without Broja vs with him. 

I'd like to pretend that's why we would sell broja to west ham for peanuts lol

And you're right as usual really but player power is top level now, What's the use of having a player who doesnt want to be there, His talent will get stifled and his price will sink and its lose lose

Buy backs on loanees is the best idea ive seen but maybe buying clubs dont like it so much

6 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

So you are still under the belief we want Declan Rice? Remember Boehly and Co are going to deal with data moving forward, and when they analyze Declan Rice his qualities don't correlate with a progressive/possession minded squad. Jude Bellingham will be more likely. 

Broja is on a 5 year deal so he really has no leverage. This isn't the same as Livramento. You just have to look at Saturday night where Havertz, Werner, and Batshuayi all in beautiful fashion missed easy chances as if last season never ended. Unless we have someone lined up it makes no feasible sense to suggest we are better off without Broja vs with him. 

Agreed. Many of the youth players that left in recent years were close to end of contract so we had limited leverage. That is not the case with Broja, so why can't we loan him out for another year, or inflate the price significantly for a permanent deal? 

But whether he leaves on loan or permanent deal, it leaves our front line looking even more toothless than it did last season. And worryingly we don't seem to have a striker on our priority list either.

2 minutes ago, Kantesmini said:

I'd like to pretend that's why we would sell broja to west ham for peanuts lol

And you're right as usual really but player power is top level now, What's the use of having a player who doesnt want to be there, His talent will get stifled and his price will sink and its lose lose

Buy backs on loanees is the best idea ive seen but maybe buying clubs dont like it so much

The part in bold is my gripe. What is Tuchel telling these players? (There is a clear pathway from the outside in)

 

1 minute ago, forbzy said:

Agreed. Many of the youth players that left in recent years were close to end of contract so we had limited leverage. That is not the case with Broja, so why can't we loan him out for another year, or inflate the price significantly for a permanent deal? 

But whether he leaves on loan or permanent deal, it leaves our front line looking even more toothless than it did last season. And worryingly we don't seem to have a striker on our priority list either.

My guess is that broja/agents want a move

6 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The part in bold is my gripe. What is Tuchel telling these players? (There is a clear pathway from the outside in)

 

Well my assumption would be that its a case of replacing first team players with better or close to equivalent and perhaps TT doesn't see it in broja to name but one

Our loanee set up I think was all the execs trying to bring in extra revs so now we have an actual coach going through it along with a pro active owner tells me that they think they can do a better job

Otherwise broja is unhappy wants to be a first team player and knows he aiint better than what we got, Although he has no one to actually compete against as we have no bledy striker at all haha

Maybe that's what it is, We have no striker and they haven't asked him to be an option 

Bit strange this comes out after confirm he did actually fly with the squad!

agents!

Edited July 18, 20224 yr by Kantesmini

2 hours ago, coombsie said:

After watching the Club America game, its evident that WE NEED A STRIKER, so why not give Broja a try ???

Many experienced managers have talked about the pressure put on young players. Even though it would seem it is the sensible move to just throw him in the deep end we know how easily china crack. A particular china with 9 in its back. Chelsea is a massive club and the pressure on number 9 is insurmountable at times. We don't have to write all the names here who have tried...

I think this makes sense. Even at WHU he is not carrying the torch.

2 hours ago, coombsie said:

After watching the Club America game, its evident that WE NEED A STRIKER, so why not give Broja a try ???

While I'd like Broja to have remained as an option to mix things up a bit when need be have we learned nothing from last summer?

Tuchel's system doesn't suit an out and out striker week by week and if we just look at the top line again we could face the same problem.

Is it a loan? I thought I saw that it was a permanent move a few hours ago. 

13 minutes ago, Argo said:

While I'd like Broja to have remained as an option to mix things up a bit when need be have we learned nothing from last summer?

Tuchel's system doesn't suit an out and out striker week by week and if we just look at the top line again we could face the same problem.

Fair enough and agree that Lukaku was a disaster as a striker in Tuchel's system. But we spent much of last season playing without Lukaku and didn't score enough goals. Sterling will help but I think we will see the same problems in offense this season unless we can find a reliable source of goals in the central forward role. If we go into the new season with only Kai in that role we are asking for trouble.