23 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

World class, yet he always disappears for us and had us finishing 10th. If he was world class, why can't he get us into the top 4? I genuinely would love to hear the excuses as to why he always disappears for us and leaves massive holes in our midfield, why he always gives away cheap possession from being too slow or making poor passes. He scores one goal and it's like the rest of his performance gets ignored. Most importantly, why is nobody bidding high for this world class player?

Also, that goal was not world class. Those shots have been Pickford's weakness for years.

Also if he had whacked Anderson in the back of the head like that while wearing a Chelsea shirt he would have seen red.

2 hours ago, markpitts said:

That goal had an xG of 0.09. Had 4 shots today, only that 1 was on target.

Do you have Bellinghams similar stats by any chance. Whilst I agree that we played into their hands I also think that from our attack, Bellingham, Kane, Rogers and to an extent Rice offered very little all game.

5 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I have no idea what Bellinghan's reaction means, it could be anything between 'what a great goal' to 'what a poxy goalie'.

1 hour ago, forbzy said:

Pretty sure fans of other Premier League teams are saying the same about their Argentinian players.

At least with his World Cup showing we might get a better price for him now. I can't see him coming back and playing for us next season.

Hope you’re right, no WC semi goal is pulling the wool over the eyes I use week in and week out.

Horrible little sh*t had to score last night. Hope it eases him out the door.

10 minutes ago, Valerie said:

I have no idea what Bellinghan's reaction means, it could be anything between 'what a great goal' to 'what a poxy goalie'.

"It's the middle of the goal!" 🤣

What's with his goal celebration? It's a pretty annoying one. No doubt him winning another world cup would make him looking down on Chelsea but the positive is he's going to garner solid interest. I forgot whether he already had a contract improvement ala palmer/jackson/caicedo, if not then it's going to boost his exit.

The board totally overpaid for him so to cancel such transfer is the appropriate thing to do. His replacement shouldn't be too hard to find.

4 minutes ago, BolaBall said:

What's with his goal celebration? It's a pretty annoying one.

I think it was him saying "i can't hear your racist chanting, louder please fellow Argies. I also hope the mother of my children hears me this time when i tell her i want to abandon her and my children again now i've made it because i'm a spineless little shrimp that isn't worthy of the oxygen i breathe."

Or at least thats how i interpreted it.

10 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Class goal. Turning into a big moment player.

The goal came after 5 others went well over.

The Vile racist will still be here come start of the season and that is depressing.

Guess Real will have to adds couple more zeros now we are in a very strong position.

Or we just give him an improved contract and extend it.

But if he wins the World Cup he will come back with an even bigger ego and wants even more money.

Also why are Argentine players so unlikeable , every single one of them are unlikeable

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by El regreso

Now I am more than sure that the board will not entertain any bullsh*t offers in a world where Anderson goes for 130M and Matheus Fernandes, who was relegated with West Ham and was not even in the Portugal squad at the World Cup, goes for 85M.

58 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

The goal came after 5 others went well over.

Actually it came after another of his great shots from way out and Pickford's save resulted in the corner that led to the goal.

1 hour ago, bluelightening said:

The goal came after 5 others went well over.

Compared to no shots from our apparent greatest striker in the modern game

2 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Compared to no shots from our apparent greatest striker in the modern game

He managed one shot. Says more about Tuchel's cowardice than anything.

Unless he fully forces a move I don't think we should be trying to sell him. He's a top player who's been held back a lot by the awful decisions made by our board, he was signed to be an important leader in a team going for titles and 3 years later he's being managed by Liam Rosenior.

If he stays, I worry how the fans are going to 'welcome' him in SB.

27 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Unless he fully forces a move I don't think we should be trying to sell him. He's a top player who's been held back a lot by the awful decisions made by our board, he was signed to be an important leader in a team going for titles and 3 years later he's being managed by Liam Rosenior.

He is the awful decision made by our board.

1 hour ago, GarnachoCheese said:

He managed one shot. Says more about Tuchel's cowardice than anything.

Does it? How?

Well, maybe Real Madrid will try to buy him, if he has a good final against Spain?

The tactics in the final quarter were flawed, inviting the disaster which inevitably followed, we needed to be braver...

Edited 46 minutes ago46 min by TheCeleryKing

4 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Does it? How?

He'd rather have all our players camped in the box giving the opposition time to take pop shots, Kane was on his own against Romero and Li5'4ndro 80 yards from goal. Pathetic coward tactics.

1 minute ago, TheCeleryKing said:

The tactics in the final quarter were flawed, inviting the disaster which inevitably followed, we needed to be braver...

Yep.

Or looking at it another way, as announced to us all by the Captain, the plan having scored the first was to go after the second and push for the win.

Ally that comment to the point highlighted by @GarnachoCheese above that the Captain himself had one shot, which i suspect is still more, or comparable to that of Rogers and Bellingham and the question i suppose then is whether to support the defence who were being overrun due to our misfiring attack or replace the attackers with Rashford (himself in and out of form) or Toney who hadn't kicked a ball yet.

I don't think any of it is ideal, personally i think it was inevitable because only Anderson, Gordon and to a certain extent Spence had effective games. There were just not enough players affecting the performance unfortunately.

5 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

He'd rather have all our players camped in the box giving the opposition time to take pop shots, Kane was on his own against Romero and Li5'4ndro 80 yards from goal. Pathetic coward tactics.

He wasn't though was he. He had Rogers, Bellingham and Rice around him but none of them were effective enough.

Tuchel either bottled it or too many of the English players were heavily fatigued which guided his decisions on subs.

As soon as the equaliser went in England were f**ked.

2 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

He wasn't though was he. He had Rogers, Bellingham and Rice around him but none of them were effective enough.

Did you watch that second half? Not a single one of those left our half. From minute 66:05 - 84:42 we made 2 passes as a team. In 18 minutes and 37 seconds, 2 passes. Those 2 passes were from Pickford to Stones and from Stones to Pickford. Sit deep and hoof it up. Pathetic, never seen anything like it before.

2 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Did you watch that second half? Not a single one of those left our half. From minute 66:05 - 84:42 we made 2 passes as a team. In 18 minutes and 37 seconds, 2 passes. Those 2 passes were from Pickford to Stones and from Stones to Pickford. Sit deep and hoof it up. Pathetic, never seen anything like it before.

So there is no thoughts that actually the players just weren't very good, possibly through fatigue and they basically got outplayed and overrun and therefore couldn't get out.

I agree with the timings that you have identified. As an example they brought on Nico Gonzalez on 64 minutes and i don't think we could really cope with him along with everything else that was coming at the team. Personally, i think key to the result was the fact the Rice clearly was still not fully up to speed and we had no back up to pack that defensive midfield area, thus making us go deeper and deeper.

I do agree that TT tried to rely on a ploy that worked against the Mexicans and would never work here, but i just wonder whether his hand was being forced by the direction of play and the bluntness of our midfield and attack.