On 13/07/2023 at 17:11, Argo said:

United who have just started pre season without a striker and Tom Heaton as their first choice keeper have all their ducks in a row? Interesting!

They've basically signed Onana. Signed Mount and are now moving quickly for Ten Hags prefered striker as well.

United are doing well in the market. If you think we are then be my guest.

Just now, OriginalS said:

They've basically signed Onana. Signed Mount and are now moving quickly for Ten Hags prefered striker as well.

United are doing well in the market. If you think we are then be my guest.

So let me get this straight, United buying a wild keeper who will 'revolutionize the way they play' in the same manner Kepa revolutionized us, buying Mount who has been f**king awful for 18 months and still doesn't look like he'll improve (whilst we have Nkunku), and buying Hojund who is just as unproven as Jackson and Broja, means they are doing well and we aren't?

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

So let me get this straight, United buying a wild keeper who will 'revolutionize the way they play' in the same manner Kepa revolutionized us, buying Mount who has been f**king awful for 18 months and still doesn't look like he'll improve (whilst we have Nkunku), and buying Hojund who is just as unproven as Jackson and Broja, means they are doing well and we aren't?

Onana is top class and will significantly strengthen them in every way. No one in their right mind thought Kepa would revolutionize anything at any point in time.

And yes, United have a squad and a good XI at this point. Rashford will be their focal point and 20 year old Hojlund's actually performed for two clubs and one national team contrary to Jackson who's living off one short purple patch at 22 years of age.

We have one senior midfielder (suitable for the system) , no proven attackers, weak wingers, a poor goalkeeper and generally absymal squad depth from midfield forward. Is it even debatable? It's literally just the way it is.

 

 

7 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Onana is top class and will significantly strengthen them in every way. No one in their right mind thought Kepa would revolutionize anything at any point in time.

And yes, United have a squad and a good XI at this point. Rashford will be their focal point and 20 year old Hojlund's actually performed for two clubs and one national team contrary to Jackson who's living off one short purple patch at 22 years of age.

We have one senior midfielder (suitable for the system) , no proven attackers, weak wingers, a poor goalkeeper and generally absymal squad depth from midfield forward. Is it even debatable? It's literally just the way it is.

Nkunku is not a proven attacker but Hojlund is apparently 🤣

Edited July 18, 20233 yr by Argo

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

Nkunku is not a proven attacker but Hojlund is 🤣

You can't make it up.

Stop putting words in my mouth perhaps. Never said Hojlund's proven but he's a proper talent that's been class for Denmark and Atalanta at 19 years of age. And they have Premier League proven Rashford coming off a 30 goal season to rely on while we don't.

People are speaking of Nkunku like he's the saviour but just remember Werner, Havertz and Sancho was class where he comes from.

3 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Onana is top class and will significantly strengthen them in every way. No one in their right mind thought Kepa would revolutionize anything at any point in time.

And yes, United have a squad and a good XI at this point. Rashford will be their focal point and 20 year old Hojlund's actually performed for two clubs and one national team contrary to Jackson who's living off one short purple patch at 22 years of age.

We have one senior midfielder (suitable for the system) , no proven attackers, weak wingers, a poor goalkeeper and generally absymal squad depth from midfield forward. Is it even debatable? It's literally just the way it is.

 

 

Onana is not top class and anyone who's actually watched him for more than 6 months will know how incredibly weak he is in commanding his box and will undoubtedly get caught out in the Premier League with how reckless he is as a sweeper keeper. He is in every sense of the word another Kepa. 

Hojlund's never managed more than 10 goals and it took Jackson only half a season to outscore him. Hojlund has 3 more appearances than Jackson with the national side whoopty f**king doo. 

 

2 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Stop putting words in my mouth perhaps. Never said Hojlund's proven but he's a proper talent that's been class for Denmark and Atalanta at 19 years of age. And they have Premier League proven Rashford coming off a 30 goal season to rely on while we don't.

People are speaking of Nkunku like he's the saviour but just remember Werner, Havertz and Sancho was class where he comes from.

And Rashford the season before had a season even worst than Sterling last season (who looking at the bigger picture is a more proven player than Rashford in almost every aspect).

As for Nkunku, that would be fair if you didn't just claim a player who's also played 0 PL minutes and is coming from a league with an even bigger reputation for PL flops will revolutionize United, can't have it both ways.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

As for Nkunku, that would be fair if you didn't just claim a player who's also played 0 PL minutes and is coming from a league with an even bigger reputation for PL flops will revolutionize United, can't have it both ways.

Why are you making sh*t up? Never said that about Hojlund either. What I said is that United are building a proper squad and XI while you are trying to argue they aren't. Clearly not going all that well for you as you have to make stuff up.

We are not in good shape 3 weeks away from the season. I stand by it.

2 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Why are you making sh*t up? Never said that about Hojlund either. What I said is that United are building a proper squad and XI while you are trying to argue they aren't. Clearly not going all that well for you as you have to make stuff up.

We are not in good shape 3 weeks away from the season. I stand by it.

They bought a CAM who's been poor for 18 months and doesn't look to get any better whilst we got Nkunku. 

They bought a GK who has the same calamity of errors in him like Kepa. 

They bought a ST who has scored less goals than Jackson. 

 

But its United who are building a proper squad but not us. 😂

2 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Why are you making sh*t up? Never said that about Hojlund either. What I said is that United are building a proper squad and XI while you are trying to argue they aren't. Clearly not going all that well for you as you have to make stuff up.

We are not in good shape 3 weeks away from the season. I stand by it.

Apologies my mistake you said the revolutionise stuff in regards to Kepa, was the same paragraph so got mixed up hold my hands up.

Either way you did say he would "significantly strengthen them in every way" minutes before you preached caution on Nkunku. So why is one player from another league a guarantee success but the other (who is a lot more proven generally) not?

3 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

But its United who are building a proper squad but not us. 😂

Glad you are happy with it.

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

Either way you did say he would "significantly strengthen them in every way" minutes before you preached caution on Nkunku. So why is one player from another league a guarantee success but the other (who is a lot more proven generally) not?

GK's are generally a far safer bet as they generally do the same job regardless of systems and leagues.

5 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

GK's are generally a far safer bet as they generally do the same job regardless of systems and leagues.

I agree. 

 

The proof of the pudding is.....

 

why don't you  lot stop bickering about whose club has got the best squad and whose got the biggest you know what and wait a few weeks to rekindle the debate, a few matches into the season and we'll know if its  Red MM's Yarnited FC or Blue Bully's Novice XI that have invested wisely in the window 😂

 

38 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

GK's are generally a far safer bet as they generally do the same job regardless of systems and leagues.

Off the top of my head what we've been through since Courtois (bar Edou's short prime), what United went through between Schmeichel and VDS, what Arsenal have been going through pretty much since Lehmann declined and what Liverpool went through between Reina and Alisson strongly suggests otherwise.

That's around a combined 3 decades of goalkeeping struggles between the "sky four" since the turn of the millennium alone.

Edited July 18, 20233 yr by Argo

Growing increasingly uneasy about the season, despite Pochettino’s attributes:

- GK - I’m ok with Kepa despite his limitations, but no real depth in position 

- DEF - nothing to suggest we can really count on the fitness of Chilwell, James and Fofana. Leaning on Silva, Badiashile’s recovery, Chalobah, and Colwill acting like he wants to be here. Excited to see Gusto and Hall’s development, Maatsans impact, and figure out what we do with Cucu

- MID - Enzo, Gallagher and Santos. No depth and limited options, although expect this to be addressed. Maybe Casadei plays more, which is exciting  

ATT - young hungry players (Mudryk, Madueke, Jackson, Broja) get the chance to play. Relieved to have Sterlings experience and Nkunku’s quality.  Still think we need a RW squad depth and a ST. Where does Chukwuemeka fit in here also - hope for more from him 

When you step back, we’re lean. Our best players are very injury prone, our leader is 39 years old this season, and the rest are inexperienced  

 

Nkunku is the only good signing we have made so far, and we did that last season.

 

Jackson is completely unproven aside from a few months of good form, £42 million is a crazy amount for him. 

 

If we flop the Caicedo deal, then we're in for a very long season. 

 

Has the December 2023 tweet come out early?

Pochettino is going to have his work cut out with the toxicity once Lukaku joins up with Ziyech and co, all those new and young impressionable minds already getting the 2nd hand smoke from last season, at least the new group are in the USA.. for now. 

 

 

I think the issue with our squad is that there is so much unknown about them. A lot of youngsters and talent that needs developing. We think there’s talent there but it needs shaping. 
 

The defence starts to worry me. Again, a lot of talent but except for Trev and Sliva, the rest of injury prone. 

Gaffer getting annoyed? 
 

 

 

I understand fans getting impatient but it's not as if we aren't putting in fair bids and I think it's unreasonable for fans to think we should just bend over for any club that wants to rinse us for as much money as possible. If the tweet above is true there's no wonder that Caicedo is fed up with how long it's taking too.

25 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

 

I understand fans getting impatient but it's not as if we aren't putting in fair bids and I think it's unreasonable for fans to think we should just bend over for any club that wants to rinse us for as much money as possible. If the tweet above is true there's no wonder that Caicedo is fed up with how long it's taking too.

He trusted their word. Guess Mac Allister knew better.