5 hours ago, dkw said:

This is exactly why it's laughably to compare to Drogba at all. As you say, even when not scoring Drogba was often the best player on the pitch, best defender at set pieces, winning field position and being pivotal in attack, his hold up play was incredible. Jackson is literally the opposite of that, more often a liability than a positive influence.

I have to admit, given that our last decent no. 9 was a poacher in Diego Costa I have well and truly forgotten what it's like to have an all-round striker up front. I watched this 2004-05 season review video the other day and it totally transformed the way I think of Jackson, to be honest.

Just count how many times Drogba is mentioned in the key plays of our title-winning season, keeping in mind that he was "poor" that season. It really does emphasise how far Jackson has to go to be even compared to Drogba. Having Drogba on the field was really like having an extra CB and extra number 10 on the field in each phase of play.

Anelka is a probably a better comparison but he was a much better finisher, and when played as a wide forward also showed his skills as a creator and foil.

Unless Jackson is capable of Haaland-like numbers IMO we need to upgrade to that sort of player. We'll never get close to Drogba for sure, but we need someone who is able to also augment our attacking midfield. 

Edited December 11, 20241 yr by SydneyChelsea

4 hours ago, OneTommyLangley said:

I think the way you cling to limited theoretical visits to the bridge is sounding a little desperate. A tip when you refer to our players shirt no.9 you might name the player to support your story. 

I'm not actually a Jackson fan I think he's an enigma at best but in reality isn't likely to be good enough going forward.

Your calling him a c**t is not right for someone who claims to be a Chelsea fan. I'm ok with the language as i sadly use industrial language all the time.

Youve been found out lad. Take the embarrassment and shut the f**CK up Don't keep digging .

 

Thanks for your opinion again - it is wrong, but thanks anyway. 

Thanks for your advice, that I should have named which number 9 gave their shirt…. I will ignore it, as I do not need to justify myself, or convince you of anything. There are people on here who know the details, that fact that you don’t is not of my concern.

Thanks for telling me your opinion that you don’t like me calling Wacko the fraudulent donkey a c**t. I will however disregard it, and will continue to call him whatever I choose - as is my right in the name of irrational hatred. 

Thanks for telling me to shut up. I will decline. So if your don’t like it, or my opinion about your boy,  I suggest you mute me.

5:49am here…,a nice message to start the day.

 

6 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

How was the Grand Prix?

Yeah - was a decent weekend. The race itself was less boring than usual (Abu D races are rarely the most exciting). But the  weekend as a whole was decent. Well organised, drinks flowed, good weather and after show concerts (muse and Eminem were highlights) all made it a fun weekend.

Too old for it though. 3 long days and late nights have ruined me. Still recovering 😂

1 hour ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Unless Jackson is capable of Haaland-like numbers IMO we need to upgrade to that sort of player. We'll never get close to Drogba for sure, but we need someone who is able to also augment our attacking midfield. 

Great post - and far more eloquently put than me. 
 

6 hours ago, hutchslongthrow said:

 

Piece of trash.

How can people support this guy - just listen to the disrespect he has for his own family. 

“they didn’t want me to play football, they wanted me to study”….

See….even his own mum and dad knew he was sh*te and should give up…and he STILL didn’t listen - ignoring his own parents. Ungrateful and disrespectful.

17 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

I thought we wanted players to care about the club? 

How do you know that was an act of caring for the club. Did you not see the body language, not just then but his entire exit from the pitch. To me and possibly to many others, I was holding my breath waiting for him to do something petulant, childish and disrespectful to the manager and teammates.

 

16 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Drogba didn't score more premier league goals in a season than Jackson managed last season until he was 28. I'm sure Jackson will improve over the next half decade. 

I am not the point that you initially responded to was in relation to his performances or his statistical output. It was about his apparent attitude.

11 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Seems like he's annoyed he's played poorly and reacted by being upset. Rather see someone react like that than drop a 2/10 and walk off smiling. 

Yes, the only two possible responses after a useless performance on the pitch are pulling the shirt over your head as if you've just suffered a horror injury, and walking off a happy camper.

28 minutes ago, Valerie said:

Yes, the only two possible responses after a useless performance on the pitch are pulling the shirt over your head as if you've just suffered a horror injury, and walking off a happy camper.

Surprised he didn’t moonwalk off, busting a move like he regularly does when celebrating….

 

7 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

I have to admit, given that our last decent no. 9 was a poacher in Diego Costa I have well and truly forgotten what it's like to have an all-round striker up front. I watched this 2004-05 season review video the other day and it totally transformed the way I think of Jackson, to be honest.

Just count how many times Drogba is mentioned in the key plays of our title-winning season, keeping in mind that he was "poor" that season. It really does emphasise how far Jackson has to go to be even compared to Drogba. Having Drogba on the field was really like having an extra CB and extra number 10 on the field in each phase of play.

Anelka is a probably a better comparison but he was a much better finisher, and when played as a wide forward also showed his skills as a creator and foil.

Unless Jackson is capable of Haaland-like numbers IMO we need to upgrade to that sort of player. We'll never get close to Drogba for sure, but we need someone who is able to also augment our attacking midfield. 

I can only think those comparing the 2 players just cant remember these kind of things, Drogbas impact on almost every game he played for us (other than maybe a handful early on) was incredible, from back to front. Its why comparing them using goals only is totally nonsensical and lazy. 

Anelka is a good shout though, a much better comparison but one in which Jackson still loses out in my opinion.

Looking at comment on this thread, it looks like going with brighton strategy is not a strategy that will please many fans here even though Jackson is a very successful example. 

Jackson is by far our scout/dof/player development best job. He is not an easy to spot crazy talent like Lavia or 100m player like enzo/caicedo or lucky jackpot like Palmer.

He came here as a skinny converted winger. At the start of last season it was a mess, he couldn't  handle PL physicality, he couldn't finish and he got yellow card every game arguing against ref.

This is the normal situation for young player not palmer playing like a superstar straightaway in his debut season. 

Jackson got better and better and shows that belong here. A lot of fan doesn't like him but It is very difficult to find st who can go long or short like Jackson, most st are either a Kane or a Haaland. 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

How do you know that was an act of caring for the club. Did you not see the body language, not just then but his entire exit from the pitch. To me and possibly to many others, I was holding my breath waiting for him to do something petulant, childish and disrespectful to the manager and teammates.

 

How do you know it wasn't? The body language to me looked like someone that knows he hasn't performed. 

He didn't do anything petulant, childish or disrespectful to the manager or team mates though. Which probably further points to him being annoyed at himself. 

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

I am not the point that you initially responded to was in relation to his performances or his statistical output. It was about his apparent attitude.

Are we pretending Drogba had an exemplary attitude now? I remember him having arguments with Ballack on the pitch for a freekick and his years of throwing himself to the ground and having a tantrum when not being given as a freekick for blatant diving. 

1 hour ago, Valerie said:

Yes, the only two possible responses after a useless performance on the pitch are pulling the shirt over your head as if you've just suffered a horror injury, and walking off a happy camper.

Breaking news: People react differently to high pressure situations. 

1 hour ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Breaking news: People react differently to high pressure situations. 

If he cant be trusted to react like a grown up to "high pressure situations" like being subbed - god help us if he ever has to take a pen in a shootout....

45 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

If he cant be trusted to react like a grown up to "high pressure situations" like being subbed - god help us if he ever has to take a pen in a shootout....

I do find it funny that you're digging him out for being childish when you spend hours a day on a forum with the biggest head loss the world has ever seen about a man that doesn't know you exist. 

Just now, Ukraine Bolt said:

I do find it funny that you're digging him out for being childish when you spend hours a day on a forum with the biggest head loss the world has ever seen about a man that doesn't know you exist. 

Don't think I actually raised the sulking/reaction until now, and don't think I called him childish. In fact, I think that the only post I made on the subject was in relation to you saying people react differently in high pressure situations - to which I made the valid point, that if this is his reaction to the high pressure situation of getting subbed after a bad game, then lets hope he never has the high pressure situation of playing in a cup final for us, or having to take a shootout pen.

And us debating a player who doesnt know I exist, is true of all of us, or at the very least - the vast majority. Pretty sure all the chelsea players know who Gol15 is, but very few of the rest of us mere mortals.

7 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Don't think I actually raised the sulking/reaction until now, and don't think I called him childish. In fact, I think that the only post I made on the subject was in relation to you saying people react differently in high pressure situations - to which I made the valid point, that if this is his reaction to the high pressure situation of getting subbed after a bad game, then lets hope he never has the high pressure situation of playing in a cup final for us, or having to take a shootout pen.

And us debating a player who doesnt know I exist, is true of all of us, or at the very least - the vast majority. Pretty sure all the chelsea players know who Gol15 is, but very few of the rest of us mere mortals.

 

59 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

If he cant be trusted to react like a grown up

17 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

 

Hardly critical - given the other names I have been calling him! 😄 

4 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

How do you know it wasn't? The body language to me looked like someone that knows he hasn't performed. 

He didn't do anything petulant, childish or disrespectful to the manager or team mates though. Which probably further points to him being annoyed at himself. 

I'll be honest i am not convinced that whenever i have seen a player having the appearance of being unhappy at being subbed, its because they feel that they haven't performed. I am not convinced that professional athletes think like that in the heat of the action, perhaps on reflection but not when the adrenalin is still flowing. You saw it as that, which is fair enough. I saw it as an act possibly heading towards petulance. I also think that the camera crew thought so as well as the cameras remain on him almost for his entire pitch walk. But neither us can possibly know, only he knows his thoughts and feelings and only those around him know their interpretation of his body language.

For me, through my aged and cynical eyes, i don't see it as a show of caring for the team, teammates, club etc. I didn't see Kepa's refusal to be substituted as an act of caring, i saw it as disrespectful to the chain of authority. I didn't view Costa's flinging of his bib in the direction of Conte as a show of caring for the club. Frustration yes, petulance definitely.

My point is that nowadays these players are far more media savvy than any of us know. They employ image and media consultants to help them in the fishbowl of their lives. They are fully aware that all of their actions are pored over by press, fans, pundits etc. It fills hours and hours of television and radio air space. Courting attention by having an active social media presence, dying your hair provocatively at certain times, making gestures to the camera will attract attention, both wanted and unwanted.

My point was that his display at being subbed could easily have been construed as petulance by team mates, management, fans and more importantly a press salivating at the opportunity to create disharmony for us again.  ( as an illustration of the green eyed media, it wasn't lost on me this morning that Sky were replaying the Caicedo tackle some three days later and yet not a sniff of any footage of Kulusevski on Lavia)

4 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Are we pretending Drogba had an exemplary attitude now? I remember him having arguments with Ballack on the pitch for a freekick and his years of throwing himself to the ground and having a tantrum when not being given as a freekick for blatant diving. 

Apologies for reverting to you again. I have nothing against your posts, just have a slightly different view on occasion. 

As a general point i don't understand this continual need to compare Jackson to Drogba. It always seems to be as a method to excuse some apparent failing or poor trait by illustrating that Drogba displayed similar characteristics or had a poorer return  and look how he turned out.

Jackson himself has often requested to not be compared to Drogba.

I can only think that the comparisons come from being a black, African forward playing for Chelsea. My counter to that would be that Salomon Kalou was a black, Africa forward that joined Chelsea at 21, was often erratic in his play and floated between adoration, scorn and derision upon occasion from the fans. Still always gave his best, played with a smile, worked thoroughly within the team ethic, and took starting, bench and substitutions in the same outward manner.

Are we really beating Jackson with the stick of how he reacted to being subbed off?

For those who are actually questioning Jackson's motives, its clear by now he tends to beat himself down when he has a bad performance. I'd much rather him show disappointment and later acknowledge just how sh*t he was (which he has done before) vs him arrogantly questioning why he's being subbed off as if he's this untouchable player, on top of a sh*t performance. 

Let the man be. I am so glad our home/away support aren't as critical as Jackson as some of you lot are. 

5 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Breaking news: People react differently to high pressure situations. 

Nooooo, really?? That is completely new to me.

I commented on your post that marked Jackson's theatrical, tearstained subbing off as "caring for the club". All I saw was a self-absorbed response.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Are we really beating Jackson with the stick of how he reacted to being subbed off?

For those who are actually questioning Jackson's motives, its clear by now he tends to beat himself down when he has a bad performance. I'd much rather him show disappointment and later acknowledge just how sh*t he was (which he has done before) vs him arrogantly questioning why he's being subbed off as if he's this untouchable player, on top of a sh*t performance. 

Let the man be. I am so glad our home/away support aren't as critical as Jackson as some of you lot are. 

Tbh, I was sad for him.

I'm in the same grp as you, he hid his face not to show his tears, I wanted the cameraman to leave him in peace, and a lot of ppl tried to console him but he pushed them away...all I can read from that is him being upset he didn't perform not that he's a petulant kid or anything like that.

We all deal with things differently, and by extension we may not understand why someone else is acting differently in the same situation.

Imo, I'm in the grp that sees him as genuinely being upset from it all. 

 

 

Also, 20 yr olds (23), if they shed a tear it isn't the same as a grown up, not from my experience, they will hide their face, go somewhere else, etc...

Edited December 11, 20241 yr by Simplymo

Guy gets stick from "fans" for the way he walks off a pitch after being subbed. This is up there with not likeing a managers shoes or his body posture on the sidelines so calling for him to be sacked. 

Some of you lot must live guilded high society existences where emotions are frowned upon and only the best behaviour will do. Be gone you toads back to the victorian ages where your sensibilities mattered. What what what ffs...