14 hours ago, hephzibah said:

Ignorance at the highest level from Pochetino today.

You should use Lesley and Caicedo in the hole if Enzo is not around. It's better you use two DMs, than use one DM and one AM, when the AM does not offer much going forward.

Playing Gallagher and Caicedo in the hole was a mistake. Assuming the two DMs in the hole were solid, they would have supported the defence better, and probably we won't have conceeded those goals. 

But Gallagher cannot help much in defence and he cannot help much in attack. If we had used Lesley and Caicedo, they would probably have bossed the midfield, and help the attackers more to get good assists.

We used two DMs with Matic and Kante in the hole in the midfield under Mourinho and won the premier league. You can only use one DM and one AM if the AM is very good and technical like Enzo. The AM will be very good offensively and also good defensively.

I've said both Gallagher and Sterling shouldn't be starting for this team, people don't want that, we have better options. If you are not ready for better players, then you shouldn't be complaining if the team is not doing well.

That was Conte, Mourinho was Fabregas and Matic.  Kante signed when Conte took over but I see your point...

1 hour ago, Chris Gundleton said:

That was Conte, Mourinho was Fabregas and Matic.  Kante signed when Conte took over but I see your point...

Yes, it was Conte. Thanks. The premier league is very physical, so it's best we use two physical DMs, to stop the opponents. Gallagher does not offer much defensively and does not offer much offensively. 

Lesley and Caicedo would be physical and still give the attackers better chances to score. Just Palmer, Madueke, Jackson and Mudryk can do the job, if they are given good delivery.

I saw Pochetino removing Caicedo yesterday for Lesley, even Caicedo was surprised, we bought a player for £110m and Poch does not even know how to use these players. You remove Caicedo and keep Gallagher on the pitch.

You should have kept Caicedo and Lesley on the pitch, to push the team more, and let the team score.

Edited October 29, 20232 yr by hephzibah

can we swop managers with the  spurs there manager  has no proven premiership  record   MP simple is not good enough do we have to wait till next season for the next win  before the  only say positive things crew start to realise the truth

It's a disgrace, if Pochetino doesn't know what he should do in this kind of match, then maybe he should go.

 

 

If Cucurella leaves the ball it goes to Sterling, but will he score?

 

Apparently Thomas Frank said after the game his side were below average, but it was enough to win the game...

Edited October 30, 20232 yr by axman2526

On 28/10/2023 at 23:51, hephzibah said:

Terrible response, compare everything Madueke did today with everything Sterling did, then you will see the difference.

You are confused, Madueke only played the ball when he got the ball. You cannot play the ball if you don't get the ball. Even if he used 70 mins on the pitch, he may get the ball just 7 times. He will stay in his position and play only when he gets the ball.

i dont understand what you are saying .. sterling was piss poor  with his effort but atleast tried and completed a few take ones and a few cut backs that resulted in corners or some chances.. Madueke apart from one shot he did nothing.. he wasnt a  threat. If you want to live under an illusion please go ahead by all means..

3 hours ago, Jangz said:

i dont understand what you are saying .. sterling was piss poor  with his effort but atleast tried and completed a few take ones and a few cut backs that resulted in corners or some chances.. Madueke apart from one shot he did nothing.. he wasnt a  threat. If you want to live under an illusion please go ahead by all means..

If the team is set up well, and the Midfield has proper players, not Gallagher, then Madueke will be a better player for the team than Sterling. 

If you want to take that, fine, if you don't want to take it, fine.

Edited October 30, 20232 yr by hephzibah

17 hours ago, dellaw said:

can we swop managers with the  spurs there manager  has no proven premiership  record   MP simple is not good enough do we have to wait till next season for the next win  before the  only say positive things crew start to realise the truth

Don't wanna sound smart but here, from June 6th.. Nearly everyone was pretty much sticking it to me in other posts.. Whose laughing now? Fecking Rottenham thats who..

 

We have no tough guys in our team expect maybe Disasi at the back, but we need bigger tougher athletes upfront. Brentford's assist and goals were from bruisers - we just haven't got that  (Broja if he's ever fit?).... Cucu and Jackson belong in the division below, lightweights ... Caicedo has potentially replaced Kante really, don't see anything from him that warrants that mad £ tag otherwise ... 

Worrying lack of process trusters in here.

Bad day, second half in particular was a tough watch, but I have faith we're moving in the right direction still.

 

44 minutes ago, cfr95 said:

Worrying lack of process trusters in here.

Bad day, second half in particular was a tough watch, but I have faith we're moving in the right direction still.

 

3 wins in 18 the right direction  really

1 minute ago, dellaw said:

3 wins in 18 the right direction  really

We've won 5 in 12 in all comps this season?

Including losses from last season seems a bit pointless doesnt it?

Interestingly Dermot Gallagher on ref watch, normally a backer of the refs call in almost every case, felt we should have had a pen for the Sterling challange, calling the challange a "stupid thing to do".

For me I thought it was just part of our game, physical challanges in the box, but I guess in Europe that is a pen.

9 hours ago, hephzibah said:

If the team is set up well, and the Midfield has proper players, not Gallagher, then Madueke will be a better player for the team than Sterling. 

If you want to take that, fine, if you don't want to take it, fine.

Sorry, but this makes little if any sense,

If we put Jackson into Man City's team he'd be a better striker, but we can't and he has to contribute to what we have here as he is part of it. Same for Madueke, same for Sterling, same for all of them. The fact that we produce virtually no shots on target in an entire game despite having the best xG around is a clear indication that the ball is getting to the advanced areas one way or another and that all of the attackers, collectively, are playing sh*t

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

Sorry, but this makes little if any sense,

If we put Jackson into Man City's team he'd be a better striker, but we can't and he has to contribute to what we have here as he is part of it. Same for Madueke, same for Sterling, same for all of them. The fact that we produce virtually no shots on target in an entire game despite having the best xG around is a clear indication that the ball is getting to the advanced areas one way or another and that all of the attackers, collectively, are playing sh*t

City are a better team, better manager, better run club, just better overall. 

Put Haaland in this side and he looks average, put Broja or Jackson in theirs they look quality.

6 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

City are a better team, better manager, better run club, just better overall. 

Put Haaland in this side and he looks average, put Broja or Jackson in theirs they look quality.

No way. Haaland is instinctively a better finisher than Broja and Jackson and gets into better positions than Broja and Jackson. Look at Silva's header from the corner in the dying minutes. Not one attack crashed the far post. Haaland would've 100% been there for example. 

15 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

City are a better team, better manager, better run club, just better overall. 

Put Haaland in this side and he looks average, put Broja or Jackson in theirs they look quality.

Jackson.. has a decent touch, good pace, a little bit of skill but my word he is no where close to Haaland's mentality and hunger to score. He also is usually never in the right place at the right time either a foot behind or step ahead of where the ball comes.

Having said that this can improve.. and i hope he add some more determination to his game .. Jackson reminds me a little of Morata to be honest..

4 hours ago, MGPimlico said:

We have no tough guys in our team expect maybe Disasi at the back, but we need bigger tougher athletes upfront. Brentford's assist and goals were from bruisers - we just haven't got that  (Broja if he's ever fit?).... Cucu and Jackson belong in the division below, lightweights ... Caicedo has potentially replaced Kante really, don't see anything from him that warrants that mad £ tag otherwise ... 

But you see a lot from Gallagher, don't you. I see you're not complaining about Gallagher, but you re complaining about Caicedo.

26 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Sorry, but this makes little if any sense,

If we put Jackson into Man City's team he'd be a better striker, but we can't and he has to contribute to what we have here as he is part of it. Same for Madueke, same for Sterling, same for all of them. The fact that we produce virtually no shots on target in an entire game despite having the best xG around is a clear indication that the ball is getting to the advanced areas one way or another and that all of the attackers, collectively, are playing sh*t

You didn't read my earlier posts. Read the last two pages of this thread, you will see my posts, and you will understand what I'm saying.

31 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Sorry, but this makes little if any sense,

If we put Jackson into Man City's team he'd be a better striker, but we can't and he has to contribute to what we have here as he is part of it. Same for Madueke, same for Sterling, same for all of them. The fact that we produce virtually no shots on target in an entire game despite having the best xG around is a clear indication that the ball is getting to the advanced areas one way or another and that all of the attackers, collectively, are playing sh*t

You don't want Gallagher out of this team, do you? Lesley and Caicedo in the hole last weekend would have been more solid than Gallagher. It would have made the attackers more effective. They would have supplied the attackers better. But when you don't have a good midfield, and you want a miracle from the attackers, it doesn't work like that.

That is what I'm saying, if you set the midfield well, then collectively it will be easier for the midfield and the attackers to get something done. But when something is wrong in the Midfield, the attackers will not get good ball, we will concede, and then you start blaming the attackers.

If we set the Midfield well, then Madueke will be more effective in the team than Sterling.

52 minutes ago, Jangz said:

Jackson.. has a decent touch, good pace, a little bit of skill but my word he is no where close to Haaland's mentality and hunger to score. He also is usually never in the right place at the right time either a foot behind or step ahead of where the ball comes.

Having said that this can improve.. and i hope he add some more determination to his game .. Jackson reminds me a little of Morata to be honest..

I read somewhere Jackson was mainly a winger thar turned striker at his last club when they needed someone to fill a void. Might explain his instincts being off.

4 hours ago, cfr95 said:

Worrying lack of process trusters in here.

Bad day, second half in particular was a tough watch, but I have faith we're moving in the right direction still.

 

Thought we were vey good first half, applauded off by us. Then we got locked into to playing back and forth across the pitch in front of their defence for ages in second half, that low block always stumps us, when other teams seem to find a way to overcome it

And our Champions League winning manager got tonked by that lot not long ago.

I'm with you, the first half was good to watch, there's definitely a change in our style

 

5 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

I read somewhere Jackson was mainly a winger thar turned striker at his last club when they needed someone to fill a void. Might explain his instincts being off.

Shearer was able to freeze the play and move Jackson around into better more dangerous positions with no defenders near him 

But that assumes that everyone else remains static while Jackson Finds space ! If only 😂

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Interestingly Dermot Gallagher on ref watch, normally a backer of the refs call in almost every case, felt we should have had a pen for the Sterling challange, calling the challange a "stupid thing to do".

For me I thought it was just part of our game, physical challanges in the box, but I guess in Europe that is a pen.

A less theatrical fall might have helped ! Watching it later I thought it was a pen, but I'm biased!