30 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Early kick off game, a loss and cr@p performance are the norm, why so many surprised by this.

Brentford were'nt.

So how is Poch going to defend this I wonder

20 minutes ago, ozboy said:

Not that it made much difference but Disasi  should not have been right back. We really are useless against a low block. 

He did not do his job. Had he done so and follows the man he stops Brentford scoring the first goal. 

He was not included to help us offensively, but to cover us at the back with his added height. He failed, and deserves the same flack that came to Sanchez and Gusto in the last game. 

Not like he was hard worked. He just had to pay attention to his job.

1 minute ago, Andy2461 said:

So how is Poch going to defend this I wonder

Probably as well as we did that first goal.

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I thought the tactics were great, particularly the first half. Which was all I asked from Poch.

The quality let us down. Cucurella should’ve buried that chance and Jackson + Madueke are still far away from the level needed. The naivety in how we defend and lose concentration a big part of this lack in quality and team coming together. 

 

My point is that staggered, flat or whatever has never been our problem.

 

28 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I'm sick of hearing all of the sh*te about how good the likes of Sterling and Gallagher have been. The whole team has been sh*te this season, again. You're not getting praise for hard work, it's a basic requirement at this level. Quality is what matters and none of these players are producing enough quality consistently. Sterling will have good moments now and again, then he faces the low block and looks like he hasn't go a clue. Gallagher looks like a child trying to impress the PE teacher in school, but doesn't have any qualities that matter for a team with possession. 

When these are your regular starters, you have no hope. Cole Palmer is literally the only player I have seen in the entire squad this season that has potential star quality. The rest rank between awful and average, and yes, I include the likes of Caicedo and Enzo in that list. They have their moments, but neither of them are producing what I would call star quality.

The defence are the same. They will switch off multiple times throughout a match, every game, without fail. If it's not the goalkeeper, it's the cb's, if it's not the cb's, it's the full backs, and if it's none of them, it will be somebody in midfield or attack that isn't tracking back properly. It's just the most basic errors every single game.

Have to agree. Painful truth about where we are right now

Pochettino options from the bench were terrible, but who he had in offensive positions should have been enough.

Brentford sat back, Mudryks pace would have been nullified. So he had the vision and passing of Palmer, plus the trickery and ball control skills of Noni and Sterling, to feed Jackson.

They should have been able to crack Brentford between then 4 of them. 

The club, as a whole, defies all the football rules and the basic understanding of how things work in the world we are living in. 

Against Arsenal we were 2-0 up and in total control. Arsenal did not even look like being on the pitch. Yet we gifted them a point. Arsenal scored with their first shot on target after 77 minutes of play. Let that sink in.

Today against Brentford the normal and natural thing was either an unlucky 0-0 draw or a Chelsea win. You just can't have Brentford create nothing, have them in their own half all the time, they could not string two passes together. Yet you end up losing 2-0. I mean this is just not normal. 

I get it when we are bad and we lose, but to be in total control and make stupid mistakes is just f**ked up. 

Based on what I read here, it looks like being patient with raw player is not chelsea fans cup of tea 😁😁

This will be a long season for a lot people. 

3 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Based on what I read here, it looks like being patient with raw player is not chelsea fans cup of tea 😁😁

This will be a long season for a lot people. 

For what patience you are talking about?

Spending a billion and you talking for patience? 

1 minute ago, Victor90 said:

I thought we desperately missed Enzo in the middle. 

Sterling is frustrating but he's bailed us out quite a few times, he can actually create something out of nothing to be fair to him. On Gallagher I agree, I'm not as impressed by him as many others are, I think he's a passenger most of the time and slows down our play. 

But even with Enzo in the side, this same thing happens......we lose the game. He's not the main issue of course, and neither is Caicedo next to him, but players with a bit of star quality will step up and get win or snatch a point through brute force, something Essien would do when he first broke through. I don't feel like any of the players the fans are telling me are so special are capable of it. I have seen more star quality and potential from Palmer in 5 games than I have seen from any other player in the squad. 

As for Sterling, I don't think he can make something out of nothing, not against any competent side. His goals have come against the worst teams in the league. Against better sides, I have seen him mess something up more than I have seen him produce quality. The same thing happened today, he had a big chance in the first half and blasted it over the bar. The rest of the game he kept running into his man and losing the ball. He's like this too often to be relied on to be a key player. I don't accept the whole "but he did it in that game".......okay, so he should be doing it in the next game, and the game after that and the game after that. Isn't that why we bought him? If he can't do it, then he's not good enough and shouldn't be getting all of this praise he has been receiving this season. I'm not a big Southgate fan, but people have been on his back about not picking Sterling for England, but I see no reason why Sterling should be picked for England.

I just feel like if these players have so much potential in them, they should be capable of pulling off that something a little bit special. I don't expect it consistently, because consistency would come with experience, something we should expect from Sterling, but just now and again, one of these players should be pulling off something special to get us a win. I feel like Palmer is the only one showing he is capable of it, and he technically did do it again in the first half with the chances he created. None of the others are showing they can do it.

Just now, JJ8 said:

For what patience you are talking about?

Spending a billion and you talking for patience? 

Billion on Mudryk, madueke, jackson, another thousands wonderkid is different to signing ready players. 

 

2 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Billion on Mudryk, madueke, jackson, another thousands wonderkid is different to signing ready players. 

 

How old are they? 18-19 or 22-23 where they should be finish players? Or you are thinking that we have to wait until they are 27 and to see that they are nothing??????

Edited October 28, 20232 yr by JJ8

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

Billion on Mudryk, madueke, jackson, another thousands wonderkid is different to signing ready players. 

 

Its one thing to spend large amounts on potential but to do without any experienced players to balance things creates incredible risk. Not to mention it is a gamble any time you invest on potential. Many of these players will likely not be good enough and then will be sold at a loss.

Just now, JJ8 said:

How old are they? 18-19 or 22-23 where they should be finish players?

Age is not the problem. Mudryk is 22 but his game is raw. Madueke is 21 and he is raw. 

 

6 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Billion on Mudryk, madueke, jackson, another thousands wonderkid is different to signing ready players. 

 

Wasting money on untalented young players doesn't make them wonder kids.

If Jackson and Madueke went to Bournmouth for £5m each no one would be suggesting they've signed 2 top talents or potential stars.

We've not signed much top young talent,  players like Palmer are wunderkids who hopefully will be top players in the future but many of our prospects just aren't Chelsea standard.

Edited October 28, 20232 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

Another frustrating result. We need to address the striker situation in January if we have any hope of salvaging this season.

Jackson doesn't even get in the box enough and isn't really clinical.

He'd probably be better playing wide left instead as all his best work seems to be far away from goal.

Just now, forbzy said:

Its one thing to spend large amounts on potential but to do without any experienced players to balance things creates incredible risk. Not to mention it is a gamble any time you invest on potential. Many of these players will likely not be good enough and then will be sold at a loss.

But that has been our board plan since the beginning. What we are doing has never been done before by a top team. Like I said, the way we are building the team feel more like brighton then Chelsea. 

 

2 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Billion on Mudryk, madueke, jackson, another thousands wonderkid is different to signing ready players. 

 

They aren't THAT young. They are the same age Essien was when he signed for us. If they are going to go on and reach the high levels expected of them, shouldn't they be showing it in some capacity, the same way the likes of Essien did? Outside of Palmer, who has actually shown any of that since they joined us?

2 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

But even with Enzo in the side, this same thing happens......we lose the game. He's not the main issue of course, and neither is Caicedo next to him, but players with a bit of star quality will step up and get win or snatch a point through brute force, something Essien would do when he first broke through. I don't feel like any of the players the fans are telling me are so special are capable of it. I have seen more star quality and potential from Palmer in 5 games than I have seen from any other player in the squad. 

As for Sterling, I don't think he can make something out of nothing, not against any competent side. His goals have come against the worst teams in the league. Against better sides, I have seen him mess something up more than I have seen him produce quality. The same thing happened today, he had a big chance in the first half and blasted it over the bar. The rest of the game he kept running into his man and losing the ball. He's like this too often to be relied on to be a key player. I don't accept the whole "but he did it in that game".......okay, so he should be doing it in the next game, and the game after that and the game after that. Isn't that why we bought him? If he can't do it, then he's not good enough and shouldn't be getting all of this praise he has been receiving this season. I'm not a big Southgate fan, but people have been on his back about not picking Sterling for England, but I see no reason why Sterling should be picked for England.

I just feel like if these players have so much potential in them, they should be capable of pulling off that something a little bit special. I don't expect it consistently, because consistency would come with experience, something we should expect from Sterling, but just now and again, one of these players should be pulling off something special to get us a win. I feel like Palmer is the only one showing he is capable of it, and he technically did do it again in the first half with the chances he created. None of the others are showing they can do it.

How old was Essien when we signed him? 22 I believe, he's one of my most favourite players to ever wear the Chelsea shirt. However, if you put him in this side at that age he wouldn't hit the ground running. Despite all the new signings we had then, it was still a very experienced team with a lot of leadership and Chelsea players who had been there for some time. 

This is a brand new team with many raw players, you can take that out on Boehly for sure, but the players and the manager, well it's to be expected. Sterling has had far more good games than bad games this season, and I'm not a fan of his at all, but it can't be denied he's been one of our best players. Frustrating today no doubt, but I understand why he gets started. 

 

Just now, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Wasting money on untalented young players doesn't make them wonder kids.

If Jackson and Madueke went to Bournmouth for £5m each no one would be suggesting they've signed 2 top talents or potential stars 

Nah both are clearly talented but they are still raw. 

Just now, Bob stark said:

Age is not the problem. Mudryk is 22 but his game is raw. Madueke is 21 and he is raw. 

 

It is a problem. Terry, Lampard, Balack, Ivanovich, Bruyne, Kimmich, Schweinsteiger, Maldini, Gattuso , Inzaghi were already names.

What happened to tallants Batshuayi, Odoi, ....?

5 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Age is not the problem. Mudryk is 22 but his game is raw. Madueke is 21 and he is raw. 

 

Agreed. Either player may come good but we had promising academy products that many had already given up on by that age.

Just now, Scott Harris said:

They aren't THAT young. They are the same age Essien was when he signed for us. If they are going to go on and reach the high levels expected of them, shouldn't they be showing it in some capacity, the same way the likes of Essien did? Outside of Palmer, who has actually shown any of that since they joined us?

I understand they are not teenager but it is kinda obvious their game is very raw. Their game will be up and down every game. It is normal stuff. You rarely see this kind of stuff because it is rare for a team like Chelsea to carry many player like this. 

5 minutes ago, 2211 said:

Another frustrating result. We need to address the striker situation in January if we have any hope of salvaging this season.

Jackson doesn't even get in the box enough and isn't really clinical.

He'd probably be better playing wide left instead as all his best work seems to be far away from goal.

I always saw Jackson as a squad signing initially but he has been thrust into the first team too regularly because of our lack of alternatives. Especially once Nkunku got injured, I do not understand why we didn't go for a more experienced striker to cover the short term.