2 hours ago, hephzibah said:

We've played many games in the premier league this season, he hasn't given both Mudryk and Madueke proper chances this season, every other player has been given good chances to play, but not Mudryk and Madueke, I'm not sure any of them have started three matches for us in the premier league this season, we have better midfielders this season, they should be allowed to play with them to prove themselves. 

Mudryk was expected to be a good player when we bought him, the owners should be asking him questions about Mudryk. Mudryk travels to Ukraine and plays well, but the manager doesn't use him at Chelsea.

I agree with you mate, my biggest criticism of Poch is persisting with Gallagher in the team instead of playing Madueke or Mudryk. All in all I still think he's done a fantastic job in getting the team going and playing football, but the results side of things have been an F- unfortunately. 

It's hard to be optimistic when it's approaching December and we're still bottom half of the table, but it is what it is, I still believe, onwards and upwards. 

2 hours ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

It's about perspective I suppose.

Personally I thought the positivity merchants on here were mental acting like we were on the up after getting a last minute penalty to draw against City and extend our results to 1 win in our last 4 and 5 wins in our last 24.

Luton won today I don't think any of their supporters are talking up a title charge but when we get a draw against City people spend the whole breaking talking about us going on a run?  

We've shown nothing to suggest we're a side capable of that and haven't been for over a year now.

I think scoring 4 past Manchester City and the way we played deserves some applause. 

You can't say the team is sh*te, then put ridiculous standards on them. Realistically City should be battering us but we gave them a very tough match. I'll definitely celebrate a draw, especially putting 4 past them. Do I think that game solidifies us for top 4? Definitely not, when people were shouting about top 4 after the game I said they were delusional. This team isn't good enough or consistent enough to get top 4, that's the reality. 

You might think I am one of these positivity merchants, personally, I think I just have realistic standards and I don't expect this team to be finishing in the top 6. I am definitely not happy with the fact we're not in the top 10, but I do believe we can get in the top 8 come the end of the season. And I think we'll get better if we stick with the gaffer and keep soldiering on, it's a tough process. I'm not going to say Mudryk and Madueke will become world class players, I honestly don't know, I think they're both talented but they're also very sloppy and inconsistent. I think the best thing we can do is just give them more starts, shoving Gallagher there is surely not a better alternative. 

This piss poor game aside I'm happy with the performances so far this season, the results? Definitely not. We've still got time to turn it around though but it's most certainly imperative that we do, otherwise, we could be in big trouble. 

Edited November 25, 20232 yr by Victor90

The way we played it is like we were set up and coached by a group of people from this site.

Personally blame it on the international break... we were getting it together before that...

Gallagher and Palmer looked like they been out on the beer and James... well James just came up a very good in form player Gordon and he couldn't handle it.

Silva... is at the end of his career and we need to give the new boys a chance - couple of disastrous mistakes by him yesterday...

Awful to watch, credit to Newcastle - well organized (wtf are we using a US dictionary on this site?) disciplined and fought for everything like it was life and death - deserved the win.

Let's hope pooch can get things back on track...

 

13 minutes ago, Bebe1980 said:

Personally blame it on the international break... we were getting it together before that...

Gallagher and Palmer looked like they been out on the beer and James... well James just came up a very good in form player Gordon and he couldn't handle it.

Silva... is at the end of his career and we need to give the new boys a chance - couple of disastrous mistakes by him yesterday...

Awful to watch, credit to Newcastle - well organized (wtf are we using a US dictionary on this site?) disciplined and fought for everything like it was life and death - deserved the win.

Let's hope pooch can get things back on track...

 

Funny how many of our fans did not want us to sign Gordon. Careful for what you wish for lol.

53 minutes ago, Bebe1980 said:

Personally blame it on the international break... we were getting it together before that...

That's a weak excuse. We aren't the only club dealing with that. Palmer barely played for England, Sterling and James didn't even go, Silva didn't go, Cucurella didn't go, and yet they were all poor. Reality is this is a mentally weak bunch who look completely unprepared. Put any sort of pressure on these players and manager, matches where we need to win, they will sh*t the bed.

Our captain is getting sent off for childish yellow cards and our most senior player in Silva is making mistakes like that. These are the players we are relying on and they produce that. 

State of this football club. 

4 hours ago, Victor90 said:

I agree with you mate, my biggest criticism of Poch is persisting with Gallagher in the team instead of playing Madueke or Mudryk. 

 

😂😂😂

This is the same criticism that people throw at poch when he used Chilwell as lw instead of Mudryk/Madueke. 

The question you should be asking is why? Why any manager play a lb and now Gallagher over mudryk/Madueke as attacker? 

48 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

That's a weak excuse. We aren't the only club dealing with that. Palmer barely played for England, Sterling and James didn't even go, Silva didn't go, Cucurella didn't go, and yet they were all poor. Reality is this is a mentally weak bunch who look completely unprepared. Put any sort of pressure on these players and manager, matches where we need to win, they will sh*t the bed.

Our captain is getting sent off for childish yellow cards and our most senior player in Silva is making mistakes like that. These are the players we are relying on and they produce that. 

State of this football club. 

Today, I want to talk to you about the importance of building momentum.The success of your team and the success of your business relies on you being able to build momentum and keep the same level of cadence in all areas of your team and your business.I'm sure you've experienced this for yourself, that when you have momentum, things feel like they get a life of their own. They feel like they just continue to build steam and build speed and continue to generate really great and profound results for your team and your business.And I'm sure you've also experienced what it’s like when you lose that momentum. How hard it is to then get going again, that things just become really difficult and you feel like you're pulling teeth!

 

Young and fragile team atm ...

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

😂😂😂

This is the same criticism that people throw at poch when he used Chilwell as lw instead of Mudryk/Madueke. 

The question you should be asking is why? Why any manager play a lb and now Gallagher over mudryk/Madueke as attacker? 

This is why the team is not doing well. Mudryk came in against City and created a goal, Madueke hit the woodwork the other day. They are not bad players.

But you won't get the best out of them playing Gallagher as no 8, Palmer, Mudryk, Madueke, Caicedo and Enzo should play together in our midfield. This is what we are saying.

Gallagher is not a creative player, he can't create chances for them. Palmer should play as no 8, then Mudryk and Madueke will be ok. 

It isn't a funny thing.

Edited November 26, 20232 yr by hephzibah

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

😂😂😂

This is the same criticism that people throw at poch when he used Chilwell as lw instead of Mudryk/Madueke. 

The question you should be asking is why? Why any manager play a lb and now Gallagher over mudryk/Madueke as attacker? 

I think it's obvious, and concerning that Poch doesn't really rate them either player highly. 

Mudryk did start getting chances after the Chilwell LW experiment was canned, saw a good performance against Fulham from him. But an injury pulled him out of the team for a while and he's not started since. Madueke has barely had a sniff at all and I don't think he's really been given a chance. 

Both of them might be duds, but I would at least like to see us use them more, because playing Gallagher in these games is not helping. He's yet to score a single goal and the majority of his assists are set pieces. 

5 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Both of them might be duds, but I would at least like to see us use them more, 

Why do they deserve to play? 

Madueke has struggled to show anything. 

Mudyrk need to stop playing as if he is a superstar. 

You see this again and again. 

 

20 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

This is why the team is not doing well. Mudryk came in against City and created a goal, Madueke hit the woodwork the other day. They are not bad players.

But you won't get the best out of them playing Gallagher as no 8, Palmer, Mudryk, Madueke, Caicedo and Enzo should play together in our midfield. This is what we are saying.

Gallagher is not a creative player, he can't create chances for them. Palmer should play as no 8, then Mudryk and Madueke will be ok. 

It isn't a funny thing.

It is the same thing with chilwell. How bad is Madueke n Murdyk if poch pick Chilwell and gallagher over them. 

My opinion on Mudryk n madueke are very simple, they should be on loan somewhere. 

I completely agree with poch. In general we have played well this season even when we lose but this game especially that 2nd half was a disgrace. 

4 hours ago, Bob stark said:

😂😂😂

This is the same criticism that people throw at poch when he used Chilwell as lw instead of Mudryk/Madueke. 

The question you should be asking is why? Why any manager play a lb and now Gallagher over mudryk/Madueke as attacker? 

I'm not sure that's totally accurate Bob. If anything Mudryk and Madueke are not getting in because Sterling has been playing there. And for someone who will readily admit that I have previously criticised him as a one trick pony, I would also be the first to admit he has been proving us wrong and his form of late has shown that he should be starting ahead of either of the other two.

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Why do they deserve to play? 

Madueke has struggled to show anything. 

Mudyrk need to stop playing as if he is a superstar. 

You see this again and again. 

 

Everybody wants to feel like a superstar. He is a superstar, even if he is not a superstar, everybody wants to play like a superstar, leave him alone, everybody wants to feel like a superstar.

Since Eden Hazard started playing, he has been playing like a superstar, we have to leave this Mudryk guy alone.

I feel some people are blind. Madueke and Mudryk played in the team last season when the team had problems. Also we had not bought so many players then. This season, the manager has not played them. How are we going to see if they are good. They should be given a chance.

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

I'm not sure that's totally accurate Bob. If anything Mudryk and Madueke are not getting in because Sterling has been playing there. And for someone who will readily admit that I have previously criticised him as a one trick pony, I would also be the first to admit he has been proving us wrong and his form of late has shown that he should be starting ahead of either of the other two.

He shouldn't, I see Mudryk like the Hazard of those days. I won't start Sterling ahead of Hazard.

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

It is the same thing with chilwell. How bad is Madueke n Murdyk if poch pick Chilwell and gallagher over them. 

My opinion on Mudryk n madueke are very simple, they should be on loan somewhere. 

So funny, so if you want to create chances to score, you want to score goals, if you want to break down stubborn defences in the premier league, you will use Chillwell instead of Mudryk and Madueke?

I said Poch is doing sh*t.

So many terrible things in this forum.

Edited November 26, 20232 yr by hephzibah

10 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

He shouldn't, I see Mudryk like the Hazard of those days. I won't start Sterling ahead of Hazard.

What a silly comment. You are comparing Mudryk to Hazard? Seriously? Also you would drop Sterling and play Mudryk? What are you related or something? As @Sconnie Blue posted elsewhere we'd be 17th now if it wasn't for Sterling this season. In this sh*t show of a season he is the only player that seems to be putting the ball in the net on a semi regular basis.

11 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Anyone on here go to the game. Heard a caller on talk sport say on Broja and Silva came over to the away end to applaude them.

That is shocking after such a long trip and awful display, and leaves me very disappointed in several players, especially our captain and stand in captain.

Yup awful yesterday but like thousands of others we were all walking down the thousands of steps from the Upper tier with 10 minutes to go, so I didn't see who came over at the end

The team were poor yesterday, Newcastle wanted it more ,but fantastic away support. 

 

As for talk of getting rid of Poch have a day off

4 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

What a silly comment. You are comparing Mudryk to Hazard? Seriously? Also you would drop Sterling and play Mudryk? What are you related or something? As @Sconnie Blue posted elsewhere we'd be 17th now if it wasn't for Sterling this season. In this sh*t show of a season he is the only player that seems to be putting the ball in the net on a semi regular basis.

There are so many things involved in football. You may have some qualities, but your qualities may not be up to the qualities needed in a position. Sterling has some qualities. But if you look at Mudryk and Madueke's qualities, I prefer them for a winger than Sterling.

Just now, hephzibah said:

There are so many things involved in football. You may have some qualities, but your qualities may not be up to the qualities needed in a position. Sterling has some qualities. But if you look at Mudryk and Madueke's qualities, I prefer them for a winger than Sterling.

Based on what?

Or let me rephrase that.

On the basis that it has been universally recognised that the PL is the fastest, most physical, most competitive league in world football and that players from academies or foreign leagues need to adapt to the pace and requirements very quickly, what attributes have you seen in either of these two players to warrant them not only being on the pitch, but ahead of one of the few goal threats that we have possessed.

Not potential, or touchy feely love for them, actual hard evidence of delivering for a club whose ownership and fanbase have a, somewhat unrealistic,  sense of entitlement regarding recovering our elite status.

11 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

What a silly comment. You are comparing Mudryk to Hazard? Seriously? Also you would drop Sterling and play Mudryk? What are you related or something? As @Sconnie Blue posted elsewhere we'd be 17th now if it wasn't for Sterling this season. In this sh*t show of a season he is the only player that seems to be putting the ball in the net on a semi regular basis.

Yes I compare Mudryk to Hazard, that is who he looks like. Don't do as if you don't know this before. And I will start Hazard ahead of Sterling.

You are not going to start a Sterling ahead of Hazard. You are the one that is being silly.

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

Based on what?

Or let me rephrase that.

On the basis that it has been universally recognised that the PL is the fastest, most physical, most competitive league in world football and that players from academies or foreign leagues need to adapt to the pace and requirements very quickly, what attributes have you seen in either of these two players to warrant them not only being on the pitch, but ahead of one of the few goal threats that we have possessed.

Not potential, or touchy feely love for them, actual hard evidence of delivering for a club whose ownership and fanbase have a, somewhat unrealistic,  sense of entitlement regarding recovering our elite status.

Based on talent. They have a better football talent as wingers than Sterling. They have also adapted to the pace of the premier league.

7 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

Yes I compare Mudryk to Hazard, that is who he looks like. Don't do as if you don't know this before. And I will start Hazard ahead of Sterling.

You are not going to start a Sterling ahead of Hazard. You are the one that is being silly.

But Hazard no longer plays for us so no I wouldn't start Sterling ahead of Hazard. I wouldn't start Ster,ing ahead of Robben either. But on what Mudryk has delivered so far he wouldn't get in ahead of Malouda, if we're making nonsensical comparisons to retired players.

Perhaps to validate your comment you can draw some illustrative comparisons between Mudryk and early Hazard for us. As a starter the below is from Wiki re Hazards first year

On 21 February 2013, Hazard came on as a substitute against Sparta Prague and scored an individual goal in stoppage time, to send Chelsea through to the last 16 on a 2–1 aggregate score.^[122][123] Again Hazard came off the bench to make an impact for Chelsea, scoring a goal and providing an assist to Ramires, as the team came back 2–0 down to salvage a 2–2 draw against Manchester United in the quarter-finals of the 2012–13 FA Cup on 10 March, setting up a replay.^[124] On 17 March, Hazard put in a man of the match performance in a 2–0 home victory over West Ham United, assisting Lampard's 200th Chelsea goal, then scoring a solo goal.^[125] On 11 May, at Villa Park, Hazard was the provider of Lampard's brace against Aston Villa, which enabled Lampard to break Bobby Tambling's all-time goal scoring record for Chelsea. However an injury picked up in the same game ruled him out of the Europa League final.^[126] Hazard ended his debut campaign at Chelsea with 13 goals in all competitions

Edited November 26, 20232 yr by WhiteWall