On 02/08/2024 at 11:43, Bob stark said:

I don't believe guru statement, more importantly imo Leicester talent gap to their rival in championship is much greater compare to us in PL. 

Leicester basically had PL squad in championship and their salary was 50% more than the next team. It was mental. 

We really didn't. 

we lost 12 players from the squad that was relegated even before a ball was kicked.  this season, we have basically the same squad from the championship, minus KDH.... I think you are all about to see, just how poor that squad is!! lots of us Leicester fans are expecting a Derby County bad kind of season.... 

23 minutes ago, LCFC Fan in Peace said:

We really didn't. 

we lost 12 players from the squad that was relegated even before a ball was kicked.  this season, we have basically the same squad from the championship, minus KDH.... I think you are all about to see, just how poor that squad is!! lots of us Leicester fans are expecting a Derby County bad kind of season.... 

This is not a championship team

Now this on the other hand 

 

7 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

This is not a championship team

Now this on the other hand 

 

Ironically the two weakest players in their side, as was evidenced in the cup game against us were their two CBs, IMO. Regardless of any form of technical ability, they are both woefully slow and were exposed routinely by us and but for some comical finishing by Sterling and Jackson on the day we could really have torn them a new one. Others also caused them issues last season when running at them down the channels or splitting them

I can see parallels here, maybe not on the pace element at the back, but a Disasi Badiashile combination will not improve our glass jaw regardless of tactics and formation. I am hoping that Tosin is just very under cooked at the moment as he showed Wout Faes levels of speed at times the other night.

Bob trying to tell a Leicester fan more about their club than them. 😂

Leicester fans are genuinely fearing another relegation. So much for "PL squad in the Championship". 

More a team with quite a lot of PL experience though of average PL quality at best. 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

This is not a championship team

Now this on the other hand 

 

Leicester's current squad is borderline Premier league/championship quality. It takes 2-3 good signings and you suddenly have a side who could finish anywhere from 12th-16th in the league. Saying they will have a Derby County type season is nonsense.

Edited August 5, 20241 yr by Erik

1 hour ago, dermott said:

More a team with quite a lot of PL experience though of average PL quality at best. 

Now what happen if you bring average PL team to championship. 

Burnley was a awful PL team but brilliant team in championship. 

Edited August 5, 20241 yr by Bob stark

It will take probably at least half the season for the squad to properly get to grips with the changes and way he wants to play, by which point we'll be too far off European football to catch up and he'll be gone by May, then we'll repeat again with a new manager and a new direction.

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

This is not a championship team

Now this on the other hand 

 

you said SQUAD. Not team. 

Our substitute options were really poor.   an ageing Albrighton who couldn't cut it at West Brom the season before.  Wanya Marcel-Madivadua, Hamza Choudhary, Kasey Mcacteer, Ben Nelson, (all academy products, but none of them world beaters and will do well to build a championship career at best) Casadei was a failed loan, same as Akgun.  Dennis Preat was always injured. 

our first 11 was good, I'll give you that.  But you don't play a 46 game season with the same 11. 

In my opinion, Leeds certainly had the better squad, I'd argue Southmapton weren't far off and Ipswich were an absolutely anomaly that had no right to be where they finished in terms of squad quality. They didn't sign many players having come up from L1.   McKenna is likely to go on and have a strong managerial career in the PL. He was the difference maker for them. 

 

1 hour ago, Erik said:

Leicester's current squad is borderline Premier league/championship quality. It takes 2-3 good signings and you suddenly have a side who could finish anywhere from 12th-16th in the league. Saying they will have a Derby County type season is nonsense.

you think? 

our current midfield options are: 

• Hamza Choudhary
• Boubakary Soumare
• Harry Winks
• Wilfred Nididi
• Bobby De Cordova Reid. 
• Michael Golding
• Sammy Braybrooke (academy product not had a break through season yet) 

our attacking options are: 

• Patson Daka
• Tom Cannon
• Stephy Mavididi
• Abdul Fatawu
• Jamie Vardy (37 and rumours of a career ending injury in pre-season)
• Will Alves (Academy Product, not had a break through season yet) 

absolutely no-one see's where our goals are coming from this year. 

we are currently strongly linked with Jordan Ayew.......... so you are probably right... that should solve all of our issues and see us run teams close for a european place. 

BTW, if you are seeing vulnerabilities down the wings with your inverted full back... we had that all season last year.  I think it's a fundamental weakness in Maresca's approach. lots of our goals came from a quick turnover of play and teams hitting the right wing as there was always acres of space.   

Just now, LCFC Fan in Peace said:

you said SQUAD. Not team. 

Our substitute options were really poor.   an ageing Albrighton who couldn't cut it at West Brom the season before.  Wanya Marcel-Madivadua, Hamza Choudhary, Kasey Mcacteer, Ben Nelson, (all academy products, but none of them world beaters and will do well to build a championship career at best) Casadei was a failed loan, same as Akgun.  Dennis Preat was always injured. 

our first 11 was good, I'll give you that.  But you don't play a 46 game season with the same 11. 

In my opinion, Leeds certainly had the better squad, I'd argue Southmapton weren't far off and Ipswich were an absolutely anomaly that had no right to be where they finished in terms of squad quality. They didn't sign many players having come up from L1.   McKenna is likely to go on and have a strong managerial career in the PL. He was the difference maker for them. 

 

I don't think it is possible to have this good of starting 11 and strong backup in championship. Your st option were daka, ineacho and vardy. You must have exceeded psr by quite a big margin already 

 

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

It will take probably at least half the season for the squad to properly get to grips with the changes and way he wants to play, by which point we'll be too far off European football to catch up and he'll be gone by May, then we'll repeat again with a new manager and a new direction.

Depends on the other teams, we'd have said the same thing last season half way through the season where in the half of the season were 11th and ended up finishing 6th only 5 points off 4th. 

1 hour ago, LCFC Fan in Peace said:

BTW, if you are seeing vulnerabilities down the wings with your inverted full back... we had that all season last year.  I think it's a fundamental weakness in Maresca's approach. lots of our goals came from a quick turnover of play and teams hitting the right wing as there was always acres of space.   

Exactly where our weaknesses have been in pre-season.....well that, and the lack of concentration when playing out of the back.

4 hours ago, Bob stark said:

I don't think it is possible to have this good of starting 11 and strong backup in championship. Your st option were daka, ineacho and vardy. You must have exceeded psr by quite a big margin already 

 

Their first team isn’t great and certainly not PL quality. Squad wise they are even worse.

Did you watch much of Leicester’s games in the Championship Bob?

5 hours ago, LCFC Fan in Peace said:

you think? 

our current midfield options are: 

• Hamza Choudhary
• Boubakary Soumare
• Harry Winks
• Wilfred Nididi
• Bobby De Cordova Reid. 
• Michael Golding
• Sammy Braybrooke (academy product not had a break through season yet) 

our attacking options are: 

• Patson Daka
• Tom Cannon
• Stephy Mavididi
• Abdul Fatawu
• Jamie Vardy (37 and rumours of a career ending injury in pre-season)
• Will Alves (Academy Product, not had a break through season yet) 

absolutely no-one see's where our goals are coming from this year. 

we are currently strongly linked with Jordan Ayew.......... so you are probably right... that should solve all of our issues and see us run teams close for a european place. 

I didn't say you would run teams close for European places but provided you make a couple good signings I can see a low mid table finish. I don't see how the players you just mentioned have any chance of finishing dead last over the course of 38 games. Time will tell. 

My prediction for the season is we will finish above Leicester. Well, I hope we do, no offence intended. 

Clearlake and Boehly's yes man doing as he is told.

So it's got nothing to do with the owners bringing in any young player with 10 senior appearances to his name for ridiculous money.....no, it's all the Premier League's fault 

Edited August 5, 20241 yr by Scott Harris

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

Clearlake and Boehly's yes man doing as he is told.

So it's got nothing to do with the owners bringing in any young player with 10 senior appearances to his name for ridiculous money.....no, it's all the Premier League's fault 

Also, to add on to this, weren't there reports coming out that Gallagher was offered a contract to stay? If we were forced to sell Gallagher, why would we be offering him a new contract? Seems to me like Clearlake and Boehly fed the media some positive PR spin to try and take the heat off them selling an academy product that most of the fanbase were really fond of. 

It's all feeling very Manchester United right now with these owners. Maybe not in the way they spend money, but the PR side is very similar.

Edited August 6, 20241 yr by Scott Harris

6 hours ago, 19seventyone said:

Their first team isn’t great and certainly not PL quality. Squad wise they are even worse.

Did you watch much of Leicester’s games in the Championship Bob?

Which of those player are not PL quality? 

11 hours ago, Zeta said:

It will take probably at least half the season for the squad to properly get to grips with the changes and way he wants to play, by which point we'll be too far off European football to catch up and he'll be gone by May, then we'll repeat again with a new manager and a new direction.

Maresca looks like a manager who prefer circuit.

By 2 weeks, you should be good and by 1 month you should be great at it. 

You can see this with Conte, sarri, rdz

13 hours ago, LCFC Fan in Peace said:

BTW, if you are seeing vulnerabilities down the wings with your inverted full back... we had that all season last year.  I think it's a fundamental weakness in Maresca's approach. lots of our goals came from a quick turnover of play and teams hitting the right wing as there was always acres of space.   

Yep, +2

Definitely seen this in preseason too. To counter we need a really good defence which we definitely don't have. As someone has said already though...we could pile up the 97,578,396 goalkeepers we have on the books ontop of each other in goal?

13 hours ago, LCFC Fan in Peace said:

you said SQUAD. Not team. 

Our substitute options were really poor.   an ageing Albrighton who couldn't cut it at West Brom the season before.  Wanya Marcel-Madivadua, Hamza Choudhary, Kasey Mcacteer, Ben Nelson, (all academy products, but none of them world beaters and will do well to build a championship career at best) Casadei was a failed loan, same as Akgun.  Dennis Preat was always injured. 

our first 11 was good, I'll give you that.  But you don't play a 46 game season with the same 11. 

In my opinion, Leeds certainly had the better squad, I'd argue Southmapton weren't far off and Ipswich were an absolutely anomaly that had no right to be where they finished in terms of squad quality. They didn't sign many players having come up from L1.   McKenna is likely to go on and have a strong managerial career in the PL. He was the difference maker for them. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Which of those player are not PL quality? 

 

I just can't get that black adder sketch out of my head.

I love how you two are arguing about which team is worse or how BOB is trying to convince a Leicester fan he knows better about "Leicester". Lol

 

 

9 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Which of those player are not PL quality? 

There's premier league experience and players that weren't bad half a decade ago but that isn't close to a team good enough to be in the Premier league. 

10 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Which of those player are not PL quality? 

All of them I’d say apart from maybe Ndidi 

14 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Maresca looks like a manager who prefer circuit.

By 2 weeks, you should be good and by 1 month you should be great at it. 

You can see this with Conte, sarri, rdz

Maresca's Leicester looked a lot better in the first half of the season than in the 2nd half