Anyone remember when Palace hired De Boer as their manager and lost the first, what was it, 7 or 8 games?

Getting that feeling we may have brought in our own De Boer.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

Anyone remember when Palace hired De Boer as their manager and lost the first, what was it, 7 or 8 games?

Getting that feeling we may have brought in our own De Boer.

Don’t think they’ll get rid that quick but would be very surprised  if he’s here next may-June 

1 minute ago, Dubair said:

Don’t think they’ll get rid that quick but would be very surprised  if he’s here next may-June 

Aye dont think they would either. More meant we may have a rather unpleasant start to the season.

He won’t see 25/26 season but I have no hope with the 🤡🤡 who will pick a replacement 

The season hasn’t even started yet FFS 🤦‍♂️ 

Trust the process? Haven't we heard that before?

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/enzo-maresca-mistakes-are-part-of-the-process

Not impressed by this guy at all so far. 

Dear god, just punch boehly till he agrees to get you some decent experienced defender,player, and maybe a proper leader, that Thiago silva sized hole is ominously vacant!!!

Edited August 4, 20241 yr by Ballack & Blu

Its pre-season, guys. Yesterday he tried something new in the first half, it didn’t work. Thats what pre-season is for. It looked really bad, as it did against Celtic, but all of that means nothing if we get up to speed in a couple of weeks

Last years pre season we looked very good, and it made me very optomistic for the season ahead. Then through injury and Pochs apparent brain fart, we played nothing like we did in pre season.

This one it is obvious that Maresca is trying different things, overall the passing and movement is pretty good, but individual errors are our undoing, and when these occur the ingrained experience of how to react, and how to avoid them is not there yet. Hopefully it will come, hopefully Maresca is strong enough to act and adapt on what he is learning.

I seem to remember a few years ago, having a disasterous pre season under Mourinho, and storming the league after. So lets wait, and see what transpires.

City might not be at full strength, but every one of the youngsters that played, have lived, breathed and ate Peps style and strategies, for years,  so slot right in. Our players don't have that ingrained experience. Similar to the cup final, Liverpools kids, knew what was expected, and how to deliver. Ours don't. Maybe it will come in time, but, we have to suffer much grief, before we get there, knee jerk replacement of managers, just stops any progress dead, and a complete restart occurs.

Boy I sure am looking forward to the new season... 

I think its going to be a while until (if at all) we see Enzo, Lavia, and Caicedo in the same team. At this point in time I can't even see one of Caicedo or Enzo in the team given how we've played so far preseason. I think Maresca is going to continue with the inverted fullback, and once things look 'settled' maybe he will try to 3 man midfield like he attempted last night? Or for the big matches he will revert to the 3 man midfield?

 

Jörgensen

James Fofana Colwill Chilwell

Lavia

Caicedo Enzo

Palmer Jackson Nkunku

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12 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I think its going to be a while until (if at all) we see Enzo, Lavia, and Caicedo in the same team. At this point in time I can't even see one of Caicedo or Enzo in the team given how we've played so far preseason. I think Maresca is going to continue with the inverted fullback, and once things look 'settled' maybe he will try to 2 man midfield like he attempted last night? Or for the big matches he will revert to the 2 man midfield?

 

Jörgensen

James Fofana Colwill Chilwell

Lavia

Caicedo Enzo

Palmer Jackson Nkunku

If Lavia and Caicedo stay fit and continue on their trajectory I genuinely struggle to see where Enzo fits in. KDH, systemically is far further along than Enzo as well, in understanding the patterns

14 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

If Lavia and Caicedo stay fit and continue on their trajectory I genuinely struggle to see where Enzo fits in. KDH, systemically is far further along than Enzo as well, in understanding the patterns

At this rate I only see Enzo as a rotation option for Lavia. 

Question is, will those upstairs accept that?

39 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

At this rate I only see Enzo as a rotation option for Lavia. 

Question is, will those upstairs accept that?

Not sure they will. Didn’t Maresca make it a point to say he has ideas on how to use Enzo when he took over. Poch made the same remarks, and tried him as a 10. Enzo is using him as an “8” in preseason which isn’t working, and won’t work.

 

32 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Not sure they will. Didn’t Maresca make it a point to say he has ideas on how to use Enzo when he took over. Poch made the same remarks, and tried him as a 10. Enzo is using him as an “8” in preseason which isn’t working, and won’t work.

 

Unless he envisions Enzo to operate like Gundogan. 

3 hours ago, Ajbod said:

Last years pre season we looked very good, and it made me very optomistic for the season ahead. Then through injury and Pochs apparent brain fart, we played nothing like we did in pre season.

This one it is obvious that Maresca is trying different things, overall the passing and movement is pretty good, but individual errors are our undoing, and when these occur the ingrained experience of how to react, and how to avoid them is not there yet. Hopefully it will come, hopefully Maresca is strong enough to act and adapt on what he is learning.

I seem to remember a few years ago, having a disasterous pre season under Mourinho, and storming the league after. So lets wait, and see what transpires.

City might not be at full strength, but every one of the youngsters that played, have lived, breathed and ate Peps style and strategies, for years,  so slot right in. Our players don't have that ingrained experience. Similar to the cup final, Liverpools kids, knew what was expected, and how to deliver. Ours don't. Maybe it will come in time, but, we have to suffer much grief, before we get there, knee jerk replacement of managers, just stops any progress dead, and a complete restart occurs.

Hopefully you are right. I could be wrong but I don't remember us having a good season in the recent past after having a poor pre-season. I remember one bad preseason under Mourinho when we lost to the New York Red Bulls I think. But that was a precursor for the awful season when he got sacked with us close to the relegation zone.

4 hours ago, Ajbod said:

Last years pre season we looked very good, and it made me very optomistic for the season ahead. Then through injury and Pochs apparent brain fart, we played nothing like we did in pre season.

This one it is obvious that Maresca is trying different things, overall the passing and movement is pretty good, but individual errors are our undoing, and when these occur the ingrained experience of how to react, and how to avoid them is not there yet. Hopefully it will come, hopefully Maresca is strong enough to act and adapt on what he is learning.

I seem to remember a few years ago, having a disasterous pre season under Mourinho, and storming the league after. So lets wait, and see what transpires.

City might not be at full strength, but every one of the youngsters that played, have lived, breathed and ate Peps style and strategies, for years,  so slot right in. Our players don't have that ingrained experience. Similar to the cup final, Liverpools kids, knew what was expected, and how to deliver. Ours don't. Maybe it will come in time, but, we have to suffer much grief, before we get there, knee jerk replacement of managers, just stops any progress dead, and a complete restart occurs.

You mean 14-15? That was a very good pre-season. We spent the majority of it playing in Europe too instead of flying to America and playing on awful football pitches. We also managed to fit in 10 pre-season games. It was about as good of a pre-season as we could have possibly had.

38 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

You mean 14-15? That was a very good pre-season. We spent the majority of it playing in Europe too instead of flying to America and playing on awful football pitches. We also managed to fit in 10 pre-season games. It was about as good of a pre-season as we could have possibly had.

In my memory 2 poor pre-seasons that spring to mind were 2015-16 when we on to sack Jose in early December, and 2022-23 when we showed Tuchel the door 6 games into the season. This pre-season we've arguably looked worse than both of those 2.

I could of sworn we didn't win a game the preseason of 14/15?

Enzo's on a 5 year contract with another 1 year option isn't he,?

I can't see him getting the boot with years of the contract to pay up ?

Unless there's stuff in it that triggers the option to fire him ?

10 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I could of sworn we didn't win a game the preseason of 14/15?

We won 7 out of 10

Two of those games were split into two 45 minute matches.

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21 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Enzo's on a 5 year contract with another 1 year option isn't he,?

I can't see him getting the boot with years of the contract to pay up ?

Unless there's stuff in it that triggers the option to fire him ?

Yes he would have to be a disaster to get the boot this season.

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

At this rate I only see Enzo as a rotation option for Lavia. 

Question is, will those upstairs accept that?

Enzo is surplus as long as Nkunku and Palmer is fit. If Maresca forces Enzo into the 8 simply because he was expensive he's making a mistake. 

As for pre-season I think we've been scary poor but at least we are still practising with a couple of weeks until it kicks off. But the squad isn't suited to his style as far as i'm concerned and unless he can work miracles I think it will be another challenging season.

5 hours ago, ducavis said:

Not sure they will. Didn’t Maresca make it a point to say he has ideas on how to use Enzo when he took over. Poch made the same remarks, and tried him as a 10. Enzo is using him as an “8” in preseason which isn’t working, and won’t work.

 

Enzo as a 8 will have to work cause he is not good enough to play as the 6 consistently in this system.

I'm not overly concerned, other than the first two goals conceded were from an identical issue in dealing with the opposition press. In both examples City's press 'forced' us to go back into the centre but i'm still not entirely sure why our defenders didn't pass it down the line. It was an extremely well-orchestrated press by City, coordinating the closure of wide options and jockeying our DM to face back towards goal for the quick option, where Haaland was waiting.

I was really pleased with our attack being able to create even at 2-0, 3-0 and 4-0 down. As we saw under Tuchel and Potter you can always fix a leaky defence but it's much much harder to score goals.