5 hours ago, JM7 said:

Looks like there’s a group thing going on here. I don’t understand though, how does buying each others youngsters at inflated prices help circumnavigate PSR?

It’s about getting the deal done by June 30th. The Maatsen fee gets into the books in this PSR period so Chelsea had to do something to help Villa in return. Both teams post a profit from the deal before the end of the month. 

6 hours ago, JM7 said:

Looks like there’s a group thing going on here. I don’t understand though, how does buying each others youngsters at inflated prices help circumnavigate PSR?

Yeah PSR help, clubs helping each other out.

 

However Dom Calvert-Lewin going to Newcastle is interesting. A back up to Isak?

“This is the logic of the deal. 
Both ourselves and Villa need to raise sums for FFP before July. Villa agree to up their bid for Maatsen if we buy one of their academy. Because of amortisation, the purchase price is spread over the contract (or 5 yrs now under the rule change). BUT money from sales all goes into this year’s accounts. 

So the two deals together leave us about £33m “better off” in FFP terms for this year, and Villa about £11-12m ditto. It’s an accounting trick..”

This will all soon change, all clubs know they have another year to survive and then the rules change to focus on salaries, which it feels like we have been going in right direction with

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Yeah PSR help, clubs helping each other out.

 

However Dom Calvert-Lewin going to Newcastle is interesting. A back up to Isak?

To keep Callum Wilson company in the medical room.

45 minutes ago, theGreenBaron said:

This will all soon change, all clubs know they have another year to survive and then the rules change to focus on salaries, which it feels like we have been going in right direction with

Not just salaries. All football related outgoings, including salaries (players and coaches), amortised transfer fees, agent fees, etc, will have to fall within 85% of turnover for clubs not playing in Europe. 70% for clubs playing in Europe.

1 hour ago, dermott said:

Not just salaries. All football related outgoings, including salaries (players and coaches), amortised transfer fees, agent fees, etc, will have to fall within 85% of turnover for clubs not playing in Europe. 70% for clubs playing in Europe.

How much of a pickle is that for us given we’ve signed loads of players?

How smart would it be if we were effectively buying 19 mil of credit with villa via a homegrown player to help them out before end of june and then duran comes to us in july for maybe about 20 mil less than the 40+ mil quoted last week. Great loophole to gaining more pure profit going forward. All will be clear soon im sure.

Edited June 24, 20242 yr by ALTE

9 hours ago, dermott said:

Not just salaries. All football related outgoings, including salaries (players and coaches), amortised transfer fees, agent fees, etc, will have to fall within 85% of turnover for clubs not playing in Europe. 70% for clubs playing in Europe.

I miss the days when transfers were more simple.

Thing is the organizations are bringing in new rules every year. Clubs have to work extra hard to comply. Wonder if you had a company and every year the government brings out new rules to stifle the profits you make. Wouldn't be that much of a joy I'd imagine. 

I feel it is not long until Premier League is operated exactly like American sports. 

This cat and mouse thing is a bit boring.

6 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I miss the days when transfers were more simple.

Just about to say the same thing.  Instead of reading pages excited by a potential new signing we’ve got pages of account talk.

On 22/06/2024 at 19:56, bisright1 said:

There's no way Maatsen needed to go for 40m

He isn't, he's going for £37m. More than acceptable valuation for a player that's just featured heavily for Champions League finalists. Chelsea wanted his release clause paid for any transfer, Villa paid a little over to get preferred payment terms. 

4 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

He isn't, he's going for £37m. More than acceptable valuation for a player that's just featured heavily for Champions League finalists. Chelsea wanted his release clause paid for any transfer, Villa paid a little over to get preferred payment terms. 

No one was fighting over his signature, a player who clearly we weren't going to keep, at 35m+, who had played half a season in the bundesliga and had done alright. 

We got our price because we paid higher for Kellyman. 

16 hours ago, JM7 said:

How much of a pickle is that for us given we’ve signed loads of players?

The new regs come into play at the start of the 25/26 season so we'll have to wait and see. 

8 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I miss the days when transfers were more simple.

1 hour ago, DarkMata said:

Just about to say the same thing.  Instead of reading pages excited by a potential new signing we’ve got pages of account talk.

Yep, it's confusing as hell. I hate accounting.

Ratcliffe said something funny the other day when talking about city's fight with the premier league against ATP (sponsorship deals). "We have more accountants at man utd than football related staff" 

Lmfao....but it seems true now. I'm guessing chels is the same too. Not laughing anymore.

16 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

No one was fighting over his signature, a player who clearly we weren't going to keep, at 35m+, who had played half a season in the bundesliga and had done alright. 

We got our price because we paid higher for Kellyman. 

I'm starting to lean towards that it was a good price. Personally I thought it was a tad low but you're right...no one was fighting over him.

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35 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

No one was fighting over his signature, a player who clearly we weren't going to keep, at 35m+, who had played half a season in the bundesliga and had done alright. 

We got our price because we paid higher for Kellyman. 

What does it matter whether people were fighting for him? We set a price, Villa paid it. £37m is more than reasonable for a player with so much upside potential and already experience at the highest level. 

1 hour ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

What does it matter whether people were fighting for him? We set a price, Villa paid it. £37m is more than reasonable for a player with so much upside potential and already experience at the highest level. 

A week ago it seemed no one was paying that money. 

Now one club has suddenly decided to pay that money. 

And we've just happened at exactly the same time to overpay for a player by maybe 8-10m. Who happens to be at that very club.

All this just before the 30 June deadline. 

It's incredibly obvious what has happened. I'm surprised you can't see it. 

4 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

A week ago it seemed no one was paying that money. 

Now one club has suddenly decided to pay that money. 

And we've just happened at exactly the same time to overpay for a player by maybe 8-10m. Who happens to be at that very club.

All this just before the 30 June deadline. 

It's incredibly obvious what has happened. I'm surprised you can't see it. 

It took me a while to understand it too tbh...Good explanation with numbers in the maatsen thread on here though.

18 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

A week ago it seemed no one was paying that money. 

Now one club has suddenly decided to pay that money. 

And we've just happened at exactly the same time to overpay for a player by maybe 8-10m. Who happens to be at that very club.

All this just before the 30 June deadline. 

It's incredibly obvious what has happened. I'm surprised you can't see it. 

I also expect that they are fishing for these types of deals everywhere at the moment. I just think it might be a bit harder for them to do this across borders, or else i could easily see Chalobah going to France, Italy or Germany for a decent fee with some 18/19 year old kid coming back the same way on an amortised deal

 

20 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I also expect that they are fishing for these types of deals everywhere at the moment. I just think it might be a bit harder for them to do this across borders, or else i could easily see Chalobah going to France, Italy or Germany for a decent fee with some 18/19 year old kid coming back the same way on an amortised deal

 

I hope it keeps happening. I hope everyone does it. 

Because the system is sh*t as it stands and needs an overhaul. 

The more we make a mockery of it, the faster it will change. 

JIM WHITE ALREADY CRYING ABOUT IT ON TALKSPORT

I hope this is exposing the complete shambles that are the PSR rules. Villa overpay for Maatsen, we overpay for Kellyman to help both clubs' finances with the 'pure profit' from selling academy players. The rules are so flawed.

On the beeb too....

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5111jg2r3yo

Villa didn't over pay. the buy out was 35m euros, club said that was a one time offer to Dortmund, hence slightly higher price.

Villa have organised a similar deal with Juve. Douglas Luiz to Juve for 50m, two Juve players - including Iling-Junior, ex-Chelsea - to Villa for 22m.