1 minute ago, Scott Harris said:

We don't seem capable of beating any of the big names. We pick up a draw now and again, but our record against Liverpool, City, Arsenal and United has been terrible in recent times. It doesn't matter how bad they play, we drop our levels lower than theirs, and if we do play well, like we have done many times against Liverpool, we can't seem to get a single win against them.

Haven't beaten City, Liverpool, or Arsenal in 4 years.

4 years.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Haven't beaten City, Liverpool, or Arsenal in 4 years.

4 years.

And only 1 win against United in 5 years, and we fluked our way to a win in that game.

ABSOLUTELY NO WAY ARE ARSENAL WINNING THE CL WITH THAT DRAW

IF THEY GET PAST PSV THEY WILL LIKELY GET REAL MADRID AND THEN LIVERPOOL OR PSG OR VILLA IN THE SEMIS

I SUGGESTED EARLIER TO HAVE A WAGER ON BAYER LEVERKUSEN AND THEY HAVE ENDED UP IN THE EASIER HALF

Really interesting draw in the Champions League, and some very tasty match ups (PSG vs Liverpool ; the two Madrid clubs ; the top 2 in Bundesliga facing each other)

Definitely very favourable for the more unfancied sides, who have mostly avoided the big boys.

I think PSV will fancy their chances against Arsenal as well 😀

Edited February 21, 20251 yr by Sexyfootball

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6143432/2025/02/21/tottenham-hotspur-name-spurs/

Pretty grim reading: vested interests use corporate bo**ocks to justify stripping away local identity. One to remember when we're the Agri-Tech Telford Blue Lions.

What specifically changed is that in November last year, the club unveiled a “remastered brand identity”, which was “rolled out across all the Club’s physical and digital touchpoints”. This came with a “Brand Playbook”, which explains in comprehensive detail what the new brand identity means. Towards the end of a section titled “Tone of voice” (“Defiant, Authentic, Rallying, Energetic”), there is a paragraph that makes very clear how the club wants to be described.

“In a world full of Uniteds, Citys and Rovers, there is only one Hotspur, Tottenham Hotspur. When referring to the team or the brand, please use ‘Tottenham Hotspur’, ‘Tottenham Hotspur Football Club’ or ‘THFC’. Never refer to our Club as ‘Tottenham’, ‘Tottenham Hotspur FC’ or ‘TH’.”

Edited February 21, 20251 yr by PloKoon13
R.I.P. HTML

as I cannot enjoy our games this season anymore it is so much enjoyable watching our usual suspects loosing

GET THE f**k IN Everton

That VAR process was almost as comical as Man Utd's attempts to clear the ball.

Get in, always good to see David Moyes get one over on Man Utd.

Although they got it right in the end that VAR goal review was ridiculous. Far too slow - this stuff is killing the game.

This united team is bizzare. It is so easy for Everton to do whatever they want and united need to play one more attacker and if the plan is to play this direct then preferably somebody like Rashford 😵‍💫😵‍💫

Edited February 22, 20251 yr by Bob stark

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Thanks AI

Title: The Steady Hand: David Moyes' Long Game at Manchester United

Scene 1: The Lingering Shadow

• INT. OLD TRAFFORD - MANAGER'S OFFICE - 2014.

  • David Moyes, looking weary but resolute, sits at his desk. A news report flashes on a nearby screen, discussing his "difficult first season."

  • SIR ALEX FERGUSON (O.S.) enters, his presence still looming large.

  • FERGUSON: "David, lad, they'll always doubt you at first. Just keep your head down and build. You've got the tools."

  • MOYES: "It's not been easy, Sir Alex. The pressure... it's immense."

  • FERGUSON: "Pressure makes diamonds. You've got a long contract. Use it. Build your team, and they will follow."

  • This scene sets the tone. Ferguson's continued support is crucial. The Glazers, though uneasy, are swayed by Ferguson's influence.

Scene 2: Gradual Rebuilding

• MONTAGE:

  • Moyes focuses on stability. He prioritizes defensive solidity, bringing in experienced players and nurturing youth.

  • He avoids the high-profile, expensive signings that characterized later United managers. Instead, he focuses on tactical discipline.

  • The team's style is pragmatic, sometimes even dull, but it yields results.

  • The team consistently qualifies for the champions league, but does not win it.

  • Moyes builds a team around a core of players like Rashford, and a few smart signings.

Scene 3: The 2016 Referendum - A Subtle Influence

• INT. PUB - MANCHESTER - 2016.

  • A group of United fans are debating the EU referendum.

  • FAN 1: "I'm not sure about this Brexit thing. It's all so uncertain."

  • FAN 2: "Look at the football! Foreign players have ruined the English game!"

  • A local politician, a United season ticket holder, chimes in.

  • POLITICIAN: "We need to focus on stability. Look at Manchester United. Steady progress, careful planning. That's what we need for the country."

  • The "steady hand" narrative, associated with Moyes' United, subtly influences the local discourse. In this timeline, the Brexit vote is slightly closer, perhaps even a narrow "Remain" victory, due to a slightly more stable feeling national climate. The argument for stability, and avoiding big risks has more weight.

  • The general feeling of instability that followed the firing of Moyes, and the subsequent manager changes, is removed from the timeline.

Scene 4: The Long-Awaited Triumph

• INT. OLD TRAFFORD - DRESSING ROOM - 2020.

  • United have just won the Premier League title. Moyes, now a seasoned manager, is surrounded by jubilant players.

  • MOYES: "We did it! Years of hard work, years of building... we proved them wrong!"

  • The players raise a toast to Moyes, their "steady hand."

  • The team has been built with a large core of English players, and a few key international signings. This has become a point of national pride.

Scene 5: Legacy

• EXT. OLD TRAFFORD - 2024.

  • A statue of David Moyes stands outside Old Trafford, alongside those of Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alex Ferguson.

  • A news report discusses Moyes' legacy: "The manager who brought stability and long-term success back to Manchester United."

  • The team is still competing at the highest level, and is known for its tactical discipline.

Would Brexit have happened?

• In this scenario, it's plausible that the Brexit vote could have been closer, or even gone the other way. The "steady hand" narrative, combined with a slightly more stable economic climate, could have swayed some voters.

Would Manchester United have won the league?

• Yes, but not immediately. Moyes' focus on stability and gradual rebuilding would have taken time. But over a longer period, it's plausible that he could have built a title-winning team. The team would be known for its tactical discipline, and a strong core of British players.

Key Differences:

• No managerial merry-go-round at United.

• A more pragmatic, less flamboyant style of play.

• A potentially different political landscape in the UK.

• A team built on gradual improvement, rather than expensive quick fixes.

This is just one possible alternative history. The butterfly effect is unpredictable, and even small changes can have far-reaching consequences.

I am sorry, but everything about this united team is insane. Amorim simply cannot stay on the job.

Edited February 22, 20251 yr by Bob stark

5 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I am sorry, but everything about this united team is insane.

Personally I don't think they have enough lumpy, immobile players. Also I don't think the manager is tactically rigid enough. Also I think they are overloaded with pacey, incisive attackers so they should let Marcus Rashford go to a direct rival.

Everton's owners must be delighted at the difference bringing in Moyes has made to Everton's performances and results.

Assuming they complete the win today, that will be 5 wins and a draw in the last 6 games, the best form in the PL !

Glad to see Sir Alex feeling the pain - the pain he once inflicted on his rivals, now the shoe is on the other foot. Utd are heading for relegation zone at this rate, but they have Leicester, Southampton, Ipswich and Wolves though will bail them out. I thought we were awful of late but this Utd side are far worse.

1 minute ago, PloKoon13 said:

Personally I don't think they have enough lumpy, immobile players. Also I don't think the manager is tactically rigid enough. Also I think they are overloaded with pacey, incisive attackers so they should let Marcus Rashford go to a direct rival.

😂😂😂

I can't even believe what I am watching. Everton isn't good and doesn't really play that well but this united team is insane.

You have de light, maguire defending big space. You have two very slow dm covering them. You have mazraoui playing cb. You have zirkee playing between the line with bruno their best creator feeding him from deep.

You have Dogu playing very direct, you have dalot on the other side who doesn't offer much as wb.

Our Conference League rivals are dismantling relegation fodder.

Moyes in?

De Ligt is awful. At least the corpse of Casemiro could pass the ball.

Casadei should be made to watch full matches of Doucouré Clockwork Orange-style.

watching Everton fighting for every f**king ball makes me even sader wathcing our soulless team of late 2 and 1/2 month

This united side is horrible so horrible.

and here's football for you

utd scores after 73 minutes being absolute mountain of manure, of course

Edited February 22, 20251 yr by mojo

I would start any of our CB's over slabhead. He is horrible these days.

you cant make it up

2:2

maybe this is a sign to skip all football today

and Howard Webb saves manure cheating c**ts