11 hours ago, markpitts said:

To who? We are at minimum doubling his £50k/w wages. What clubs will take on £100k/w wages for a failed winger? Look at the transfer market and the big money outside the PL is Bayern, PSG, Galatsaray and The Saudis. The former two won’t touch him, none of the top 6 in the PL will, and of the remaining bar 1 or 2 clubs in the PL he will be the highest earner. Seeing how difficult it is to get rid of the “bomb squad” you would hope the club isn’t thinking along these lines.

If he's as desperate to join as it seems then wages should be fairly easy to keep low or at least make performance heavy related.

"Failing" in prem is not a death sentence, you will still be a good player in other leagues. Also he gets around 10 G/A every season in league which is around same as what our current wingers and previous ones managed, at least he has the excuse of playing for a team that finished 15th. It's not like we are downgrading output wise.

7 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said:

What is Garnacho worth? Not a lot. Man United have to sell him, want to sell him, do not want him, etc. He does not have any kind of a future at Man United. Nobody else is bidding on him. The demand for Garnacho is very VERY low. He is considered to be a bit of a nightmare to have in your squad. I would pass. He is not worth the hassle.

Bayern and Napoli have already bid on him, those are just the ones we know of. When you make a statement of only wanting Chelsea then yes the demand for you is going to be quite low as no one wants their time wasted.

I’ve been on this bandwagon from the start, really do think there’s a proper player there once he escapes that cesspit.

For the past few seasons he’s been the only player when we’ve come up against Utd I’ve been nervous about. Might say more about their squad than Garnacho but that’s how I’ve viewed it.

However, how are Utd in any position to ‘demand’ a similar fee to Madueke or Elanga? Neither of those players had been openly dismissed by their manager and sent to train with the reserves.

We should get the deal done, but only on our terms. 30M would be fair market value for a player deemed surplus to requirements.

2 hours ago, RMH said:

I don't care about Clearlake's finances, but if that means that an Academy lad like George, who can do good as a bench option, has to go to make room for him, then I'm completely against it. Just like I was against selling Gallagher to accommodate Felix so that the board can make a bob or two selling him on within the year. I don't think that Garnacho improves the starting 11, so he shouldn't be considered when we have free options that can do the job perfectly well.

Honestly don't think George is going to make it as a Chelsea player but you can see why the likes of Rio and others have decided to find another club. We are constantly blocking their pathways with average players like Garnacho. Same with Acheampong we buy Disasi and Badiashile who he's rightfully seen off but in another time could have left and you couldn't blame him. Honestly where would Ngumoha be now if he was still at Chelsea, still in the reserves waiting for Quenda to arrive? If we are going to buy a player that's going to block the young lads pathway make him the next Robben or Hazard, not Simple Jack.

I suspect we will wait until the last couple days before moving again. Unless United want to keep a player they absolutely don’t want on their books

All I would offer is a Sancho type loan.

1 hour ago, DarkMata said:

Honestly don't think George is going to make it as a Chelsea player but you can see why the likes of Rio and others have decided to find another club. We are constantly blocking their pathways with average players like Garnacho. Same with Acheampong we buy Disasi and Badiashile who he's rightfully seen off but in another time could have left and you couldn't blame him. Honestly where would Ngumoha be now if he was still at Chelsea, still in the reserves waiting for Quenda to arrive? If we are going to buy a player that's going to block the young lads pathway make him the next Robben or Hazard, not Simple Jack.

We have literally just signed this lad who everybody is raving about. Indeed from what little i have seen he does indeed look pretty good and may well progress through to the first team. 18 yo playing in the U21 having signed him from Palace. What story did we give to the lad to convince him to sign for us when a number of other clubs were after him?

Jesse Derry

The other youngster we took from Palace a while back is Ibrahim Rabbaj, who is being called the next Messi (well he does look a bit like him!)

So many talented young players about right now and I guess you can only back so many of them to make it - some you have to reluctantly let go (like Ngumoha). Rabbaj does look special from what I have seen and is 16. Be interesting to see if he gets a chance over next couple of seasons, but signing the likes of Garnacho is not going to help his cause.

38 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

We have literally just signed this lad who everybody is raving about. Indeed from what little i have seen he does indeed look pretty good and may well progress through to the first team. 18 yo playing in the U21 having signed him from Palace. What story did we give to the lad to convince him to sign for us when a number of other clubs were after him?

Jesse Derry

From what I saw of him against the Newcastle U21's we could have a gem there. Early Days still.

40 minutes ago, Scott said:

From what I saw of him against the Newcastle U21's we could have a gem there. Early Days still.

I think I started a thread for him just after the transfer was announced.

One of the work lads is a Palace fan and genuinely believed he would succeed Eze when he goes. Was fuming we ‘stole’ him and from what I’ve seen it’s a proper gain, kid looks a baller.

17 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

We have literally just signed this lad who everybody is raving about. Indeed from what little i have seen he does indeed look pretty good and may well progress through to the first team. 18 yo playing in the U21 having signed him from Palace. What story did we give to the lad to convince him to sign for us when a number of other clubs were after him?

Jesse Derry

Probably the same story they told Caicedo and Lavia that made them snub Liverpool.

I think most young footballers main dream is to play football at the highest level. I would say our record of producing Premier League/ top flight players is second to none. I think this could be a major draw for young players, but our record of converting them into Chelsea players is still a pretty poor ratio. Apparently Rio believed the pathway on offer was better at Liverpool and he's probably right.

I do hope it works out for Jesse and indeed Rabbaj but we've built one hell of a road block for them to break through in Gittens, Quenda, Paez, Ensico possibly Simons, Garnacho, Fermin and all the other players we'll inevitably sign in the next couple of years. The question is if all these players don't work out is Enzo going to turn to Jesse or is he going to be given another over priced youngster to try?

I do think stockpiling young players is going to have a detrimental effect eventually. And yes most players are not going to make it anyway, but I would hate for that one special player that comes along once every blue moon to move on because we don't give them the right opportunities in favour of some random opportunistic buy/swap/profit deal.

There'd be nothing better than having one of your own playing in the first team and being one of the leagues best to boot.

58 minutes ago, Scott said:

From what I saw of him against the Newcastle U21's we could have a gem there. Early Days still.

Reminds me of Villa Grealish.

9 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

I do think stockpiling young players is going to have a detrimental effect eventually. And yes most players are not going to make it anyway, but I would hate for that one special player that comes along once every blue moon to move on because we don't give them the right opportunities in favour of some random opportunistic buy/swap/profit deal.

There'd be nothing better than having one of your own playing in the first team and being one of the leagues best to boot.

Yes, we are stockpiling, especially considering our feeder club Strasbourg, and we are always looking for the next big thing. BUT we also sell and move along some of the youngsters that we bring in. We do not always keep them and so new opportunities within our team do arise. Madueke, Butch Cacadei, Chukwuemeka, Tomori, Sancho, etc. Also, our current club Captain (and if he stays fit, the best RB in the world imho )- the right honourable Reece James is a product of our yoof system [which is more than you can say for all the other so-called top clubs]. As a club I feel that we do give opportunities to the youngsters as we search for the GT's.

In fact, One of the best things about the club at the moment is that we have such a young and exciting team - the youngest in the league - and that we have Academy players in the squad. So I am not sure I entirely agree with you about bringing youngsters from outside having a detrimental effect - but you are not wrong. A lot of players simply won't make it. But if you are the best Academy lad then your future at Chelsea will mean playing with the best from Brazil and the Netherlands, etc. and that is an exciting prospect. If only we had a better manager.

5 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

I’ve been on this bandwagon from the start, really do think there’s a proper player there once he escapes that cesspit.

But 'what if' Garnacho is the biggest turd in the cesspit? His attitude seems like a fcucking nightmare or is that all false news?

5 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

We should get the deal done, but only on our terms. 30M would be fair market value for a player deemed surplus to requirements.

Why 30M? why not 5m?

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

We have literally just signed this lad who everybody is raving about. Indeed from what little i have seen he does indeed look pretty good and may well progress through to the first team. 18 yo playing in the U21 having signed him from Palace. What story did we give to the lad to convince him to sign for us when a number of other clubs were after him?

Jesse Derry

This is the first time I've even seen what this guy looks like.

12 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

But 'what if' Garnacho is the biggest turd in the cesspit? His attitude seems like a fcucking nightmare or is that all false news?

Why 30M? why not 5m?

Players tend to be nightmares when at clubs they don't want to be at anymore and seeking a move. VVD at Southampton for example. Once they get the move they don't tend to kick up a fuss.

13 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Players tend to be nightmares when at clubs they don't want to be at anymore and seeking a move. VVD at Southampton for example. Once they get the move they don't tend to kick up a fuss.

Well, if we end up with him, then I hope you're right.

58 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Yes, we are stockpiling, especially considering our feeder club Strasbourg, and we are always looking for the next big thing. BUT we also sell and move along some of the youngsters that we bring in. We do not always keep them and so new opportunities within our team do arise. Madueke, Butch Cacadei, Chukwuemeka, Tomori, Sancho, etc. Also, our current club Captain (and if he stays fit, the best RB in the world imho )- the right honourable Reece James is a product of our yoof system [which is more than you can say for all the other so-called top clubs]. As a club I feel that we do give opportunities to the youngsters as we search for the GT's.

In fact, One of the best things about the club at the moment is that we have such a young and exciting team - the youngest in the league - and that we have Academy players in the squad. So I am not sure I entirely agree with you about bringing youngsters from outside having a detrimental effect - but you are not wrong. A lot of players simply won't make it. But if you are the best Academy lad then your future at Chelsea will mean playing with the best from Brazil and the Netherlands, etc. and that is an exciting prospect. If only we had a better manager.

I think part of the problem is the amount of young players we have in the team. If we had an established left winger with experience say, we could gamble on a young lad like Derry to be his deputy, but because we only have an unknown youngster with minimum experience in Gittens we can't take that risk, so we'll end up buying a similar player as back up, probably one with Prem experience to fight it out. Both turn out to be sh*t like Mudryk and Sancho so we buy a couple more - rinse and repeat.

If Rio turns into a superstar we will be constantly reminded of what we lost every time he rips it up. All the Maduekes, Butch Cacadeis, Chuckys of the world are pointless and will be quickly forgotten. The one superstar in the making decides to move because we blocked his path into the first team for a quick profit when we had the man right here for free.

What's to say the same won't happen to Jesse Derry. At 18 he should be getting minutes this season, but will he even get on the bench with Garnacho, Gittens and Simons taking squad space? We need to make room for these lads but we have an obsession with filling every position with transfers rather than looking within. Some of these transfers are not even worth the paper they are written on, Its not exactly a squad full of world class talent that gives him less chance compared to past teams.

I want to watch a team of superstars win everything - profit and PSR nonsense is just background noise.

We've land on a star in Reece and it looks like we are backing Levi with the lack of replacements in this transfer window. So credit where it's due. Maybe something similar to give Derry a chance (ie please don't sign Garnacho).

1 hour ago, Remodez said:

Players tend to be nightmares when at clubs they don't want to be at anymore and seeking a move. VVD at Southampton for example. Once they get the move they don't tend to kick up a fuss.

He was a nightmare way before he was on the outs. Wasn’t he disciplined by Ten Haag for liking social media posts criticising his substitutions, and he is rumoured to be behind Utd starting lineup leaks days before matches.

Just wait till Maresca drops him to the bench and he publicly announces he is considering his future.

5 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

I think part of the problem is the amount of young players we have in the team. If we had an established left winger with experience say, we could gamble on a young lad like Derry to be his deputy, but because we only have an unknown youngster with minimum experience in Gittens we can't take that risk, so we'll end up buying a similar player as back up, probably one with Prem experience to fight it out. Both turn out to be sh*t like Mudryk and Sancho so we buy a couple more - rinse and repeat.

Yes, but also i think that with wingers you can and should be using them more and rotating them more. They get injured a lot more (small knocks). So you do need more of them. The modern game allows for 5 subs and that means most managers will want to involve at least 4 wingers in every game. So more back up is needed these days, especially for wingers and attacking mids. Wingers will get the game time and the minutes. They are the fresh legs in every game - opening wingers and closing wingers. I think if Jesse Derry is good enough he will get some playing time this season. But, yes our "established" players are like 22 and 23, that is just the way it is now. Who knows what the long term plan is? Will we still want Palmer when he is like really old and like 27 or something? lol

13 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Yes, but also i think that with wingers you can and should be using them more and rotating them more. They get injured a lot more (small knocks). So you do need more of them. The modern game allows for 5 subs and that means most managers will want to involve at least 4 wingers in every game. So more back up is needed these days, especially for wingers and attacking mids. Wingers will get the game time and the minutes. They are the fresh legs in every game - opening wingers and closing wingers. I think if Jesse Derry is good enough he will get some playing time this season. But, yes our "established" players are like 22 and 23, that is just the way it is now. Who knows what the long term plan is? Will we still want Palmer when he is like really old and like 27 or something? lol

Hope you're right. Maybe the rules should allow a couple of u20s positions on the bench on top of the current allocation to allow youth players a better chance. Our bench would be getting pretty full if you add Simons and Garnacho too.

Xavi Simons

Jamie Gittens

Andrey Santos

Delap

Jorrel Hato

Gusto

Wesley Fofana

Josh Acheampong

Filip Jörgensen

1 hour ago, markpitts said:

He was a nightmare way before he was on the outs. Wasn’t he disciplined by Ten Haag for liking social media posts criticising his substitutions, and he is rumoured to be behind Utd starting lineup leaks days before matches.

Just wait till Maresca drops him to the bench and he publicly announces he is considering his future.

If that is true then I can see why so many fans do not want him anywhere near the club.

I thought it was because he is just a bit crap at football.

Sigh

That better be total package with a sh*t ton of add ons.

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Sigh

That better be total package with a sh*t ton of add ons.

Dont understand why so high. Utd are in a weak position here - we should be rinsing them. Unless its £40m for garnacho, and they buy Jacko for £80m.

We need the squad depth, especially if George, Nkunku and Jackson (to some degree) leave.

We’ve been burned by Bundesliga signings for a while, but you watch Simons be the one we should have grabbed.

don’t forget, Quenda comes in next summer, and Paez should return.

3 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Dont understand why so high. Utd are in a weak position here - we should be rinsing them. Unless its £40m for garnacho, and they buy Jacko for £80m.

Hoping its like 25m with 10-15m of add ons.