10 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Alright I don't trust highlights.

@mojo and @Mod care to write me a summary of the key points of the game? Is everyone right being pi$$Ed off with Maresca?

absimal from the getgo and into 5 minutes you just had to poke yourself in the eye wtf you were watching. from motm last game to the world of clowns. but you haven’t seen nothing yet as the overthinker erases the whole front line bar Joao to guard 1:0 result, or something. they were breaking us right left center the whole 1st half.

2nd half was a little better as Utd stopped playing but imagine, we had 1 (yes one) shot on target the whole game.

you can take into consideration that their 1st goal was clear and obvious offside so the game could took some other turn - yeah right. the offside picture they shown after was an AI situation that ‘did not even ocur’ ffs, we were robbed like you can rob stores in some California cities these days. Webb didn’t dissapoint, at all. His boss was in the ‘stands’ with Big Sam and was not willing to upset them. Our non given penalty, Pedro did what Salah, Rashford, Sterling are doing their whole career very succesfully, make a pen from any given touch of the oponnent.

1 hour ago, mojo said:

absimal from the getgo and into 5 minutes you just had to poke yourself in the eye wtf you were watching. from motm last game to the world of clowns. but you haven’t seen nothing yet as the overthinker erases the whole front line bar Joao to guard 1:0 result, or something. they were breaking us right left center the whole 1st half.

2nd half was a little better as Utd stopped playing but imagine, we had 1 (yes one) shot on target the whole game.

you can take into consideration that their 1st goal was clear and obvious offside so the game could took some other turn - yeah right. the offside picture they shown after was an AI situation that ‘did not even ocur’ ffs, we were robbed like you can rob stores in some California cities these days. Webb didn’t dissapoint, at all. His boss was in the ‘stands’ with Big Sam and was not willing to upset them. Our non given penalty, Pedro did what Salah, Rashford, Sterling are doing their whole career very succesfully, make a pen from any given touch of the oponnent.

The top image isn't from VAR

1 hour ago, mojo said:

absimal from the getgo and into 5 minutes you just had to poke yourself in the eye wtf you were watching. from motm last game to the world of clowns. but you haven’t seen nothing yet as the overthinker erases the whole front line bar Joao to guard 1:0 result, or something. they were breaking us right left center the whole 1st half.

2nd half was a little better as Utd stopped playing but imagine, we had 1 (yes one) shot on target the whole game.

you can take into consideration that their 1st goal was clear and obvious offside so the game could took some other turn - yeah right. the offside picture they shown after was an AI situation that ‘did not even ocur’ ffs, we were robbed like you can rob stores in some California cities these days. Webb didn’t dissapoint, at all. His boss was in the ‘stands’ with Big Sam and was not willing to upset them. Our non given penalty, Pedro did what Salah, Rashford, Sterling are doing their whole career very succesfully, make a pen from any given touch of the oponnent.

This is the real VAR image . The goalscorer is onside .

So sunderland have a defender sent off BUT no sign of them withdrawing all their forwards

I've known for ages that with our transfer policy we are not looking to become and stay as a top club.

But that said, it doesn't mean we have to suffer this dreadful, soul killing football . Rooney said last night that Chelsea fans must be disappointed with our 2nd half, all our possession was side to side and across the pitch. He's correct. No point in everyone on here going wild about our "exciting" players when the manager is determined to put them in shackles and make them play a dull, pointless possession based game.

I thought Leicester fans were absolutely wrong about Maresca when we saw some great displays early last season . But now it's clear that the football they complained about is exactly what we are being tortured with now.

43 minutes ago, Caps_Lock_King said:

So sunderland have a defender sent off BUT no sign of them withdrawing all their forwards

Yesterday was just soul destroying can't remember feeling that way so early in a game for a long long time, the guy basically pulled down the Blue Flag and hoisted a White one.

7 mins for Fs sake - Speechless.

Maresca is a coward, time the supporters make their feelings clear against Brighton, and to those who say he got us CL and won two trophies, NO IT WAS THE PLAYERS DESPITE MARESCA, he threw the Brentford game and hoisted the white flag yesterday

1 hour ago, Caps_Lock_King said:

So sunderland have a defender sent off BUT no sign of them withdrawing all their forwards

Tbf if they had withdrawn all their forwards no one would have known, they are league 1 level garbage.😂

Edited September 21, 2025Sep 21 by OTL

14 minutes ago, OTL said:

Tbf if they had withdrawn all their forwards no one would have known, they are league 1 level garbage.😂

What does that make Villa

Thanks @mojo

Going down to 10 men is not even an excuse not to win vs this terrible United side. I don't need to remind everyone how woeful they have been, who they keep losing to.

Nor is it an excuse for how terrible we are defensively, or how few shots we manage.

We have athletes in this group who could out run this United side even with a man less. But maresca gave up and sounds like most of the players did to. That's unacceptable. A side with such strength and energy with Caicedo, cucurella, james, Santos and joao.pedro.

But then you are also weighed down with bang average center backs that run through treacle , carrying a cracked Palmer and watar carrier Enzo.

Taking off athletes like neto and estevao... deary me.

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Thanks @mojo

Going down to 10 men is not even an excuse not to win vs this terrible United side. I don't need to remind everyone how woeful they have been, who they keep losing to.

Nor is it an excuse for how terrible we are defensively, or how few shots we manage.

We have athletes in this group who could out run this United side even with a man less. But maresca gave up and sounds like most of the players did to. That's unacceptable. A side with such strength and energy with Caicedo, cucurella, james, Santos and joao.pedro.

But then you are also weighed down with bang average center backs that run through treacle , carrying a cracked Palmer and watar carrier Enzo.

Taking off athletes like neto and estevao... deary me.

Agree with this our 10 men should have been able to overcome that Utd team. In fact if we had gone down to 9 i would like to think we could have dug in for a gutsy draw against this lot.

9 hours ago, CFC_SLO said:

Old Trafford away – it’s been 12 years since our last league win there, and it’s about to be 13. Doesn’t matter how bad United are, we always find a way to mess it up.

A lot of the blame is on Maresca, but for me the real turning point was Sanchez. That reckless tackle killed the game before it even started. We’ll never know how it would’ve gone without the red card.

Where I do blame Maresca is after the red. The substitutions made no sense – pulling Neto and then Palmer, leaving João Pedro isolated up front with zero support. Then later bringing on George instead of our expensive new signings? It looked like we gave up and decided to play for 0-0 instead of trying to win. Even when Casemiro was sent off and it was 10v10, we never really threatened.

We got it back to 2-1 with 15 minutes left, but instead of pushing, we passed the ball around like United were peak Ferguson. One shot on target all game – embarrassing. United didn’t beat us; we beat ourselves.

We’re already 7 points behind Liverpool after 5 games. We’ve spent huge money, there’s clear quality in the squad, but it’s not being used properly. Defensive issues weren’t fixed, Colwill’s injury hurts, Sanchez is unreliable, and some signings (like Hato) aren’t even getting minutes. That CWC win just covered up the cracks.

This team is toothless, boring, and lacking mentality. If this continues, we’re Europa League level at best. I’m not “Maresca out,” but his in-game decisions are starting to look worrying. And on top of that – still no shirt sponsor after all that PR hype.

Finishing a game like this with 1 shot on target is a disgrace.

Those subs really killed us even when it was 10 vs 10. Gave us less tactical flexibility with only 2 subs left. That neto sub was the nail in the coffin

9 hours ago, Caps_Lock_King said:

You’re joking right?

Dont be surprised if we only get 2-3 points in the next 4 league games, where will that leave us? Tenth?

Benfica at home would have been 3 points, not any more with Jose in charge, he will come here defend deep and try to catch us on the break if that happens even the owners will start to get nervous

There is Lincoln next where all the starters get a good rest and then Brighton at home. We will win both matches and then Benfica, too. Mourinho is a washed up manager, the best they can do is score a goal that night.

5 minutes ago, petre ispirescu said:

There is Lincoln next where all the starters get a good rest and then Brighton at home. We will win both matches and then Benfica, too. Mourinho is a washed up manager, the best they can do is score a goal that night.

Dont bet on that

Ok I am late to the party on this I know. Giving see a few different highlights and read some report I get why everyone is annoyed at maresca.

Firstly the line up is wrong. You should play your better defenders in the air when facing a stronger striker, which would be tosin and Acheampong. Also should not be starting Palmer, let him rest this groin problem.

But ok what is done is done. Sanchez does his bozo thing and you know Palmer is carrying this problem . Take him off for the keeper. Of course your 10 should be sacrificed and the shape stay the same.

You now realize the 2 cbs cannot match sesko so want tosin on, ok take of your least athletic none defender, Enzo. This is basic you have to work harder with 10 so need more athletic player.

Even after all that you go on at half time and can look to fix it now they are down to 10. Now take off Enzo and fofana for 2 from garnacho, gittens or guiu.

This is a tongue in cheek joke but also absolutely true!

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Thanks @mojo

Going down to 10 men is not even an excuse not to win vs this terrible United side. I don't need to remind everyone how woeful they have been, who they keep losing to.

Nor is it an excuse for how terrible we are defensively, or how few shots we manage.

We have athletes in this group who could out run this United side even with a man less. But maresca gave up and sounds like most of the players did to. That's unacceptable. A side with such strength and energy with Caicedo, cucurella, james, Santos and joao.pedro.

But then you are also weighed down with bang average center backs that run through treacle , carrying a cracked Palmer and watar carrier Enzo.

Taking off athletes like neto and estevao... deary me.

Who have they been losing to? Looks like only Arsenal and City this season so far. We are often not far off woeful ourselves and have been for the last few years. Much better Chelsea teams than this one have failed to win at Utd in the last decade and we are too inconsistent to say we should be beating anybody. We ‘could’ beat any team on our day but failing to beat Palace and Brentford at full strength is more disappointing than this.

14 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

I believe Maresca is managing the squad very well. The club has had a long season with the CWC added on top of that. There was basically no pre-season at all and then Palmer got the injury plus that meaningless int. break in which a lot of our most important players were involved in some of the most useless matches, when they could have been given a good rest.

It is only September and these matches are not that important in the grand scheme of things. Season is long and I can understand Maresca's substitutions.

He's not really doing that and there is no excuse of the pre-season, it was the team's pre-season and it was done accordingly so that is not an excuse.

These matches are not important now only because you have the benefit of not knowing the future but if Maresca fails to get any results from the upcoming matches and loses heavily to Liverpool this period could very well be massive.

On 21/09/2025 at 01:38, SFL82 said:

I’m confused here did palmer “have to come off” or he brought him off to protect him. Judging by palmers reaction he was raging to be taken off which would indicate he thought he could play and wasn’t in pain

Was sitting with an ice bag on his groin so I think it was a "had to come off"...

3 hours ago, Bebe1980 said:

Was sitting with an ice bag on his groin so I think it was a "had to come off"...

Honestly, maybe starting him in a downpour against a poor side that was bound to make the game very physical was yet another mistake? I don't pin these types of mistakes to manager alone, btw.

2 hours ago, acaeus said:

Honestly, maybe starting him in a downpour against a poor side that was bound to make the game very physical was yet another mistake? I don't pin these types of mistakes to manager alone, btw.

Understood.

Yesterdays managerial performance was the final nail in his coffin for me...

I might be wrong but I think Spurs away is the only ‘big’ team we’ve beaten away from home with Maresca in charge.

He just doesn’t have the minerals to pick up maximum points away at a big team.

Man Utd have been woeful and each time he talks them up in a pre-match press conference like we are playing Rooney, Ronaldo, Vidic etc…

Obviously I’m not expecting him to slate them in public but I honestly can’t imagine even in the privacy of the dressing room he giving a rousing pre-match speech telling the players to impose yourself while they are in a bad moment.

That was a pretty nice set of fixtures to get some points on the board before the real tough games start but here we are with Liverpool having nearly twice as many points already and behind Bournemouth and Palace in the table.

He has a mentality of a lower half table team manager.

Edited September 22, 2025Sep 22 by 2211

42 minutes ago, 2211 said:

I might be wrong but I think Spurs away is the only ‘big’ team we’ve beaten away from home with Maresca in charge.

He just doesn’t have the minerals to pick up maximum points away at a big team.

Man Utd have been woeful and each time he talks them up in a pre-match press conference like we are playing Rooney, Ronaldo, Vidic etc…

Obviously I’m not expecting him to slate them in public but I honestly can’t imagine even in the privacy of the dressing room he giving a rousing pre-match speech telling the players to impose yourself while they are in a bad moment.

That was a pretty nice set of fixtures to get some points on the board before the real tough games start but here we are with Liverpool having nearly twice as many points already and behind Bournemouth and Palace in the table.

He has a mentality of a lower half table team manager.

Or "I don't want to lose and look stupid" ...

Don't see us picking up 3 points in any competition for the next few weeks. We are a mid-table team at best at the moment. The only team we have played of any substance so far has been Bayern. Palace / West Ham / Fulham / Brentford and now the lowly circus that is Man Utd - hardly teams you should be losing to or even dropping points for a team supposedly going to be challenging for the EPL. We have only 8 points from 15...WTF are we going to do when we play the likes or Arsenal / Liverpool / an improving City and I'll even throw Spurs in.

I doubt we will pick up anything against Brighton next week other than a draw; we are woeful and I don't see things getting better any time soon under this clown who is scared to drop big names and has no faith it seems in those players he selects to sit on the bench and even those that he ignores completely.

I also blame our Directors of Football who have ignored for at least 2 seasons the need for a strong back 4 or 5 and a keeper..James aside the rest are totally trash as defenders and I'll throw the Spaniel in there...while he may well add something to the dire offence, as a defender he is utter crap, sorry I'll say it again..crap; he and Gusto are not world class 'defenders' and while Tosin has played above his station, he too is an average central defender. The coaches too have to take some of the blame...defending is a comedy at times and Utd, as bad as there are exploited it, as did Brentford and Fulham (despite the very lucky win).

I expect to finish outside the top 4 if this clown show continues.

42 minutes ago, CFCCAN said:

I expect to finish outside the top 4 if this clown show continues.

Could actually be a lot worse.

19 hours ago, BS66 said:

Who have they been losing to? Looks like only Arsenal and City this season so far. We are often not far off woeful ourselves and have been for the last few years. Much better Chelsea teams than this one have failed to win at Utd in the last decade and we are too inconsistent to say we should be beating anybody. We ‘could’ beat any team on our day but failing to beat Palace and Brentford at full strength is more disappointing than this.

Grimsby.