4 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Do you think any manager wins anything with us this season taking over mid season? Be real.

yes, Iraola

8 hours ago, OriginalS said:

7th in the Premiership with Forest is a far greater achievement than somehow finishing 7th in Ligue 1.
Should have hired Nuno really. At least he's not 99% optics like Rosenior.

To be fair, Dyche got Burnley Europa League football. Would any of us be clambering for Dyche? C'mon. Di Matteo won us the CL, does it mean he's an elite class coach? No. There are many examples of coaches winning trophies or doing well, but they aren't elite. Ranieri wasn't elite, but he was good. He did arguably the single most impressive thing seen in English football by winning the PL with Leicester.

Edited February 5Feb 5 by Sunspear_88

1 minute ago, Sunspear_88 said:

To be fair, Dyche got Burnley Europa League football. Would any of us be clambering for Dyche? C'mon.

5 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

This appointment is the biggest upgrade we’ve had in 4 years in the role.

Tbf that's because Maresca set the bar in hell. For me there is little difference except that Rosenior allows his strikers to be strikers, and for me that is a massive upgrade on Maresca.

And for a further unpopular opinion, I also do not give a f**k that players are being 'minutes managed'. Football is a dinosaur sport that treats its players like trash and everyone is somehow okay with running the players into the ground. Leaving it 'up to the player' is the height of weak leadership because the player always wants to play and the manager always needs them to play to save his own skin. It was wrong under Mourinho, it was wrong under Conte, it was wrong under Pochettino and it was wrong under Maresca and I am glad that (if true) BlueCo are going to be the only club in the world where the medical team is actually allowed to do the job it is qualified to do.

Rosenior doesn't deserve judgement yet. You'd think people would be more wary after the way everyone was glazing Maresca while he could still rely on Pochettino's team and a still un-neutered Cole Palmer.

Edited February 6Feb 6 by SydneyChelsea

15 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

This same logic was used against Arteta and they seem to be doing okay.

People don't like him because he was hired by BlueCo, without acknowledging he's doing a good job and has done wherever he's been.

Arteta has won 1 FA Cup in the 6 years he's there. That trophy was won at the beginning of his tenure against us who shat the bed in that final, Arteta's a crap manager that relies on set pieces and rugby sh*thouse corners to win.

I thought your expectation was trophies and titles?

10 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Do you think any manager wins anything with us this season taking over mid season? Be real.

The League Cup was there. In the last game if he went all out attacking, we could have won. He also comes out with loser sh*t like this after losing

The Standard

Rosenior hits out at Arsenal lack of 'respect' after Chel...

Rosenier clashed with Arsenal staff before Carabao Cup semi-final defeat

Rattled in the warmups. I don't have any personal issues with him but this guy is mentally weak

Edited February 6Feb 6 by Deino

17 hours ago, Imran_CFC said:

Judging Liam Rosenior at this stage feels premature. Most managers need a minimum of six months to truly impose their philosophy.

At the moment, this still looks like a Maresca‑drilled team, with Liam influencing games mainly through match‑day decisions. The real evaluation should come once his training‑ground work translates into consistent patterns on the pitch.

That 6 month is a myth. What usually take months/years/seasons is signing players.

But in term of putting their imprint on the team, nope It doesn't take long. You can tell pretty quickly what manager want his team to do.

Edited February 6Feb 6 by Bob stark

Imo so far Rosenior idea is very similar to Maresca.

Offensively, very jdp, if you run jdp you need a good and clear plan otherwise you can't do anything (so far honestly I don't see it, but it is still early)

Defensively, it is also very similar. A lot of man to man press which is common this days. (Rosenior can't repeat what he did vs napoli though, that was one of the worst plan I have ever seen ).

5 hours ago, Deino said:

Arteta has won 1 FA Cup in the 6 years he's there. That trophy was won at the beginning of his tenure against us who shat the bed in that final, Arteta's a crap manager that relies on set pieces and rugby sh*thouse corners to win.

I thought your expectation was trophies and titles?

True mate, not like they’re about to walk the league and favourites for the CL or anything. Rather be in our position than theirs 👍

4 hours ago, Deino said:

The League Cup was there. In the last game if he went all out attacking, we could have won. He also comes out with loser sh*t like this after losing

The Standard

Rosenior hits out at Arsenal lack of 'respect' after Chel...

Rosenier clashed with Arsenal staff before Carabao Cup semi-final defeat

Rattled in the warmups. I don't have any personal issues with him but this guy is mentally weak

Gone all out like Newcastle did? Worked well for them when they were chasing goals, didn’t it. I’m not sure if people honestly think that was the best way to approach a team set up to sit deep and counter or a lot of posters on here just genuinely don’t understand football.

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Imo so far Rosenior idea is very similar to Maresca.

Offensively, very jdp, if you run jdp you need a good and clear plan otherwise you can't do anything (so far honestly I don't see it, but it is still early)

Defensively, it is also very similar. A lot of man to man press which is common this days. (Rosenior can't repeat what he did vs napoli though, that was one of the worst plan I have ever seen ).

Same squad, new manager, same nonsense. He’s still a f**king nobody, and only the delusional think a late-season switch magically fixes anything.

Maresca wasn’t great, but at least he showed something — that PSG game at the WCC final had an actual tactical idea. The bar isn’t high, but it's there.

This just feels like the new-manager effect: players trying to cement their place in the squad. It rarely lasts.

16 minutes ago, acaeus said:

Same squad, new manager, same nonsense. He’s still a f**king nobody, and only the delusional think a late-season switch magically fixes anything.

Maresca wasn’t great, but at least he showed something — that PSG game at the WCC final had an actual tactical idea. The bar isn’t high, but it's there.

This just feels like the new-manager effect: players trying to cement their place in the squad. It rarely lasts.

Nah, that cwc final tactic was not as great as it looked. PSG has very clear strength and weakness.

19 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Nah, that cwc final tactic was not as great as it looked. PSG has very clear strength and weakness.

I don't disagree and I did not say the bar was set very high.
Even so, our manager now has ever less to show.

6 hours ago, Deino said:

The League Cup was there. In the last game if he went all out attacking, we could have won. He also comes out with loser sh*t like this after losing

The Standard

Rosenior hits out at Arsenal lack of 'respect' after Chel...

Rosenier clashed with Arsenal staff before Carabao Cup semi-final defeat

Rattled in the warmups. I don't have any personal issues with him but this guy is mentally weak

What makes him mentally weak?

I like the fact he had a run in with the Arsenal coaching staff. He certainly didn't look weak there.

20 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

99% optics? What does that even mean?

Loves the sound of his voice and cares more about appearance than substantive results.

Edited February 6Feb 6 by OriginalS

So he looks weak because a non-story makes the back pages on a slow news day - even though IMO Leicester being deducted 6 points is a much bigger story but the media creating small negative narratives against Chelsea trumps actual news I suppose.

People are really digging to find faults with Rosenior.

17 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Loves the sound of his voice and cares more about appearance than substantive results.

That would make sense if he hadn't won 75% of his games. Just saying things now that don't even make sense to discredit him based on a predisposition.

16 minutes ago, 2211 said:

So he looks weak because a non-story makes the back pages on a slow news day - even though IMO Leicester being deducted 6 points is a much bigger story but the media creating small negative narratives against Chelsea trumps actual news I suppose.

People are really digging to find faults with Rosenior.

People decided they didn't like him before he joined so now they're ignoring what is in front of them and using anything to discredit him.

If he turns out to be sh*t, so be it. As of right now, the people ridiculing him are showing themselves to be nothing more than pig headed fools with a baseless agenda.

31 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

That would make sense if he hadn't won 75% of his games. Just saying things now that don't even make sense to discredit him based on a predisposition.

Yeah, we'll see how many titles he'll win won't we.

Also, nobody likes arselickers and he's a puppet for a atrocious regime. There's little to like as far as i'm concerned.

6 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Yeah, we'll see how many titles he'll win won't we.

Also, nobody likes arselickers and he's a puppet for a atrocious regime. There's little to like as far as i'm concerned.

37 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

People decided they didn't like him before he joined so now they're ignoring what is in front of them and using anything to discredit him.

If he turns out to be sh*t, so be it. As of right now, the people ridiculing him are showing themselves to be nothing more than pig headed fools with a baseless agenda.

See above reply.

19 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Do you think any manager wins anything with us this season taking over mid season? Be real.

If you crack out your XL spreadsheet and run your thumb past the names and appointment dates and trophies won columns for Bobby Di Mateo, Thomas Tuchel, Gus Hiddink... Ginlucca Vialli you. Think they'd like a quiet word with you.

Edited February 6Feb 6 by bluelightening

15 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

If you crack out your XL spreadsheet and run your thumb past the names and appointment dates and trophies won columns for Bobby Di Mateo, Thomas Tuchel, Gus Hiddink... Ginlucca Vialli you. Think they'd like a quiet word with you.

Read again...this season.

27 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

If you crack out your XL spreadsheet and run your thumb past the names and appointment dates for Bobby Di Mateo, Thomas Tuchel, Gus Hiddink... Ginlucca Vialli you. Think they'd like a quiet word with you.

In the Premier League era, it turns out that 50% of Chelsea managers who have taken over mid-season have won a trophy that season:

We had MUCH better players available in those seasons so hard to compare TBH.

4 minutes ago, Malcolm9 said:

Read again...this season.

Actually, I do expect to win trophies... League cup or FA cup... It's not unreasonable as a fan of chelsea and there is a precidence of us doing it. Usually, a new manager galvanises the dressing room and fires up the players.

See other entries...

3 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

In the Premier League era, it turns out that 50% of Chelsea managers who have taken over mid-season have won a trophy that season:

thank you for the deeper dive...

1 minute ago, Nibs said:

We had MUCH better players available in those seasons so hard to compare TBH.

on its day our team can beat the best on the planet. Cup football is cup football and is different gravy to league football. You need to be bang on it and up for a fight to win cup matches.