Just now, Geert The Flyer said:

I'm wandering, and maybe someone on here can clarify this for me. But why isn't there a massive raid for RB Leipzig players ? I mean, the Bundesliga is a lot harder than Ligue 1 but Monaco is losing players at an unprecedented speed. 

An example, Naby Keita is valued at 70m this summer but his contract will have a clause of 50m next summer.

RB's price tag is very expensive.

 

45 minutes ago, Geert The Flyer said:

I'm wandering, and maybe someone on here can clarify this for me. But why isn't there a massive raid for RB Leipzig players ? I mean, the Bundesliga is a lot harder than Ligue 1 but Monaco is losing players at an unprecedented speed. 

Well, the Monaco players proved themselves in the CL. That's valued a lot more by all the top clubs.

57 minutes ago, Geert The Flyer said:

I'm wandering, and maybe someone on here can clarify this for me. But why isn't there a massive raid for RB Leipzig players ? I mean, the Bundesliga is a lot harder than Ligue 1 but Monaco is losing players at an unprecedented speed. 

Look at their ownership...they're hardly in the need of funds...

1 minute ago, doctorblue said:

Look at their ownership...they're hardly in the need of funds...

I think Leipzig will (and should) outright refuse to sell players, it's healthy for the Bundesliga to finally have another team that can compete financially with Bayern.

3 minutes ago, RMCM said:

I think Leipzig will (and should) outright refuse to sell players, it's healthy for the Bundesliga to finally have another team that can compete financially with Bayern.

But they are very, very far away from that. The direct duel showed that the gap between these clubs is huge, and I don't see any German team reaching Bayern's level within the next 5 years. As a German I can tell you it's hard to find a more boring league across Europe than the Bundesliga. It's really funny to see German football fans being confused about why the PL is so much more popular internationally and more lucrative, rather than our "best league in the world".

1 minute ago, Luiz4Chelsea said:

But they are very, very far away from that. The direct duel showed that the gap between these clubs is huge, and I don't see any German team reaching Bayern's level within the next 5 years. As a German I can tell you it's hard to find a more boring league across Europe than the Bundesliga. It's really funny to see German football fans being confused about why the PL is so much more popular internationally and more lucrative, rather than our "best league in the world".

True, they won't challenge them in the short term, but I think what they're building there, long term, is a potential threat to Bayern's dominance. They're growing young talents, buying smart and playing good football. I watch a fair bit of the bundesliga myself, and yeah, it gets tedious watching teams slug it out for second knowing first place is wrapped up before christmas every year. I enjoyed watching dortmund but they've been far away from another title challenge for what seems like an age now, and they're being siphoned of their best players constantly, it's so disappointing because other than Chelsea, obviously, they're the team I like the most.

2 minutes ago, RMCM said:

True, they won't challenge them in the short term, but I think what they're building there, long term, is a potential threat to Bayern's dominance. They're growing young talents, buying smart and playing good football. I watch a fair bit of the bundesliga myself, and yeah, it gets tedious watching teams slug it out for second knowing first place is wrapped up before christmas every year. I enjoyed watching dortmund but they've been far away from another title challenge for what seems like an age now, and they're being siphoned of their best players constantly, it's so disappointing because other than Chelsea, obviously, they're the team I like the most.

The recent development of Dortmund is indeed a bit sad, their rise under Klopp was the best thing that happened to the BL in a long time. You're right about Leipzig, and I cannot understand why whole Germany hates them so much, after all they spend about 50m last year, and not 200m or something. The truth is money doesn't score goals, but clever management can, and what this all new club achieved with those 50m in transfer sums last year was more than impressive! Probably the BL was just a bit shocked how fast their traditional big clubs could be overtaken.
So if Leipzig are smart, and last season certainly looked like they are, they could indeed be a threat in the long term

2 minutes ago, Luiz4Chelsea said:

The recent development of Dortmund is indeed a bit sad, their rise under Klopp was the best thing that happened to the BL in a long time. You're right about Leipzig, and I cannot understand why whole Germany hates them so much, after all they spend about 50m last year, and not 200m or something. The truth is money doesn't score goals, but clever management can, and what this all new club achieved with those 50m in transfer sums last year was more than impressive! Probably the BL was just a bit shocked how fast their traditional big clubs could be overtaken.
So if Leipzig are smart, and last season certainly looked like they are, they could indeed be a threat in the long term

People hate new things, and love the status quo. 

The 'hatred' or dislike for RBL in Germany is a little more complicated than you make it out to be. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/08/why-rb-leipzig-has-become-the-most-hated-club-in-german-football

9 minutes ago, ashwin said:

The 'hatred' or dislike for RBL in Germany is a little more complicated than you make it out to be. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/08/why-rb-leipzig-has-become-the-most-hated-club-in-german-football

Not really that complicated after all

I get what you are saying, but Matic, GC, Costa are no where near "masters".
I would take a DD over Sanchez, I would take a Maka over essien and I would take a JT over Azpi.
Just to be sure, every team needs a ramires or a park-ji-sung who can play multiple positions and provide cover when necessary but its players like Hazard/Cesc/Kante who are pivotal in definining the spine of the team.

Same way Essien and Azpi are no Masters in what they do am only comparing them with players of similar quality.

This is a nonsensical argument, i'm literally scratching my head at it. Sanchez is a winger, who can back up as striker, so yes i'd sign him as a winger, because he is a world class winger, not as a midfielder/ wingback/ CAM/ striker. Essien was a box to box midfielder, that was his position, and he was the best in the world for several years. So yes, i'd sign him as a box-to box midfielder, not a CAM, CB, and left back. Azpilicueta is a better player in all of his positions than Cahill, so obviously i'd prefer him in my team. 

I'm not getting into the 'ive watched more games than you' thing, as i'm not 8 years old. Versatile players are useful, i never debated that, in that rare occasion that someone gets sent off then great, they can swap positions. But there is no point signing a player who is just 'good' all over that park as opposed to someone who is great in one position. A player can only play in one position at one time, i'd rather they actually have a specified role rather than being seen as someone who fills in a vacant spot. 

Sorry bro, you are the one actually making a nonsensical argument here. Where did I say we should sign can simply because he can play all positions?

I'm wandering, and maybe someone on here can clarify this for me. But why isn't there a massive raid for RB Leipzig players ? I mean, the Bundesliga is a lot harder than Ligue 1 but Monaco is losing players at an unprecedented speed. 

The reason is the Monaco team made up of youngsters surprised everyone by beating PSG to the league and they went further by going far in the champions to prove there is something really special about the players.

10 minutes ago, Luiz4Chelsea said:

Not really that complicated after all

Any reason is more complicated than "dislike any change to the status quo" which is quite a lazy conclusion :) That is however one of the factors no doubt!

Just now, wallosh said:

Sorry bro, you are the one actually making a nonsensical argument here. Where did I say we should sign can simply because he can play all positions?

No, 'bro' I argued with your nonsensical points comparing players who were/ are absolute top players to Matic and Cahill, who are not. 

 

10 minutes ago, wallosh said:

Same way Essien and Azpi are no Masters in what they do am only comparing them with players of similar quality.

Yes, they absolutely are/were. Essien was a central midfielder, that was his position, and he was superb there. Azpilicueta is both a centre back and fullback, and he's incredible in both those positions.

There are rumours about Joao Cancelo joining Juventus. Him being a right back and recently signed Di Sciglio capable of playing either side could mean Sandro deal isn't quite dead yet.

Yes, they absolutely are/were. Essien was a central midfielder, that was his position, and he was superb there. Azpilicueta is both a centre back and fullback, and he's incredible in both those positions.

I don't really rate Matic that much but for what he has achieved while playing for us, I think he is a top player. Same applies to Cahill. They ain't world class but they are top players.

1 minute ago, ashwin said:

Any reason is more complicated than "dislike any change to the status quo" which is quite a lazy conclusion :) That is however one of the factors no doubt!

Obviously, and I wouldn't even say that it is a serious, considerable factor. I think it's a combination, as the article rightly pointed out. On the one hand there is the general fear or dislike towards club ownership and investment in Germany, which is manifested in the 50+1 rule (even though some supporters start to point out that this attitude might actually inhibit the growth and compatibility of the league), and on the other hand the specific RB-marketing aspect in this case, which is indeed pretty questionable by any standards. Must be a bit tough when the only purpose of the club you support is to sell more sticky soft drinks on the continent.

41 minutes ago, ashwin said:

The 'hatred' or dislike for RBL in Germany is a little more complicated than you make it out to be. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/08/why-rb-leipzig-has-become-the-most-hated-club-in-german-football

Great read.

17 minutes ago, ashwin said:

Any reason is more complicated than "dislike any change to the status quo" which is quite a lazy conclusion :) That is however one of the factors no doubt!

It was more a generalisation than about Leipzig in particular. People hate us because we got bought and had money pumped in becoming the new challengers on the block which disrupted the Arsenal/United domination, same with City. I didn't mean that's the core reason for people disliking Leipzig.

4 minutes ago, RMCM said:

It was more a generalisation than about Leipzig in particular. People hate us because we got bought and had money pumped in becoming the new challengers on the block which disrupted the Arsenal/United domination, same with City. I didn't mean that's the core reason for people disliking Leipzig.

People are complaining/complained/hate us because supposedly we're a small club back then undeserving of challenging the status quo. Well most clubs are paying stupid prices now and we still get slated and being called rentboys. Smh

2 minutes ago, Deino said:

People are complaining/complained/hate us because supposedly we're a small club back then undeserving of challenging the status quo. Well most clubs are paying stupid prices now and we still get slated and being called rentboys. Smh

As my gal Taylor tends to say: haters gonna hate

Actually I just read recently that we have had the highest transfer income worldwilde over the last 4 years, and the best transfer balance of basically any big european club (even after Morata)!

But if people want to stultify themselves, I don't mind...

Edited July 24, 20178 yr by Luiz4Chelsea

Surely it's worth a crack going for Cancelo ourselves? 

What about Markovic from Liverpool as a wingback?