The term world class is thrown about far too easily.

Darren Bent scored 32 in 58 appearances a respectable goal tally considering he was playing for a much weaker team but no once claimed he was world class.

 

Darren Bent doesn't have over 100 caps for Spain. He's a World cup winner, Bent is not. Bent was not on a shortlist of 6 for Fifa world player of the year. How you are even comparing the Torres of old to Darren Bent is unbelievable.

Edited February 24, 201313 yr by Erik

What you must understand is that hazard_a_guess is an idiot, who doesn't count any other opinion as relevant! All that matters to him is his hatered of Torres! I can only imagine he had a very empty life!

Being a world cup winner doesn't make him world class, it's not even an argument really.

Negredo isn't world class.

Messi is world class.

Which one has Won the world cup? The argument just doesn't stand up.

Torres in his prime is just a glorified Darren Bent - A technically very limited player who when given service could stick the ball in the net but someone who can't change a game.

Being a world cup winner doesn't make him world class, it's not even an argument really.

Negredo isn't world class.

Messi is world class.

Which one has Won the world cup? The argument just doesn't stand up.

Torres in his prime is just a glorified Darren Bent - A technically very limited player who when given service could stick the ball in the net but someone who can't change a game.

We get you can't stand Torres!!

Being a world cup winner doesn't make him world class, it's not even an argument really.

Negredo isn't world class.

Messi is world class.

Which one has Won the world cup? The argument just doesn't stand up.

Torres in his prime is just a glorified Darren Bent - A technically very limited player who when given service could stick the ball in the net but someone who can't change a game.

 

Yeah just skip the bit about 100 caps for the best team in the world. And the fact he was nominated for Fifa world player of the year many times.

Yeah just skip the bit about 100 caps for the best team in the world. And the fact he was nominated for Fifa world player of the year many times.

Which you hasn't posted when I started Typing.

torres in his prime not only changed games he won games on his own against the very best teams in the league. that is world class.

his game however was based on pace very much like owen, and once he lost that explosiveness, he has struggled and the flaws in his game have eaten away at his confidence and now were left with just a shell of a world class footballer.

how many times has bent been the difference against the best in the world?

What you must understand is that hazard_a_guess is an idiot, who doesn't count any other opinion as relevant! All that matters to him is his hatered of Torres! I can only imagine he had a very empty life!

Ha ha I want you as the new manager.

Which you hasn't posted when I started Typing.

 

Maybe he am to slow....

torres in his prime not only changed games he won games on his own against the very best teams in the league. that is world class.

his game however was based on pace very much like owen, and once he lost that explosiveness, he has struggled and the flaws in his game have eaten away at his confidence and now were left with just a shell of a world class footballer.

how many times has bent been the difference against the best in the world?

I don't recall him ever winning games on his own, he scored goals but he had better service than any other striker in the world.

The passes from Alonso and too a lesser extent Gerrard coupled with his good movement led to him getting a lot of chances to stick it in the back on the net. Which he did at a solid but unspectacular rate.

Once Alonso went rate at which Torres scored dropped considerably.

As for Bent - probably never, though he did beat Arsenal at the emirates with 2 goals in a 2-1 win for Aston Villa.

I don't recall him ever winning games on his own, he scored goals but he had better service than any other striker in the world.

The passes from Alonso and too a lesser extent Gerrard coupled with his good movement led to him getting a lot of chances to stick it in the back on the net. Which he did at a solid but unspectacular rate.

Once Alonso went rate at which Torres scored dropped considerably.

As for Bent - probably never, though he did beat Arsenal at the emirates with 2 goals in a 2-1 win for Aston Villa.

Didn't torres score 2 against us for a Liverpool in a 2 nil win for them.

Seriously guys don't bother trying to argue with hazard_a_guess, he has stated before that our opinions mean nothing to him!

His hate for Torres blinds him to any talents Torres had!

Seriously guys don't bother trying to argue with hazard_a_guess, he has stated before that our opinions mean nothing to him!I

His hate for Torres blinds him to any talents Torres had!

Fair enough he does strike me as a who but me type of guy.

Edited February 24, 201313 yr by bluegraham

I don't recall him ever winning games on his own, he scored goals but he had better service than any other striker in the world.

The passes from Alonso and too a lesser extent Gerrard coupled with his good movement led to him getting a lot of chances to stick it in the back on the net. Which he did at a solid but unspectacular rate.

Once Alonso went rate at which Torres scored dropped considerably.

As for Bent - probably never, though he did beat Arsenal at the emirates with 2 goals in a 2-1 win for Aston Villa.

his performances against us and united at Liverpool were generally world class.

even the season we bought him he scored 2 goals out of nothing which won them the tie. I wouldnt say balls into feet or down the channel would be world class service. but that was all it took because once he got turned there was no getting near him. for 3 years he has in the top 10 strikers in the world, with drogba, eto'o, ibrahimovic, villa etc.

Regardless, he is utter minge now, and it's our problem.

Regardless, he is utter minge now, and it's our problem.

agreed shouldn't have been bought in the first place, I think wel get 10-15m for him tbh.

hopefully he's only got about another 5 appearances left for us then this debacle will be over.

So Torres scored 81 goals in 142 appearances for Liverpool and according to 'hazard a guess' he was 'possibly the most overrated player in the world' at the time? I would be surprised but to quote Vinnie Jones 'you should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity'

Seriously 'hazard a guess' we know you hate Torres and that is your 'thing' but this is taking it to silly levels now.

I would bet money not one defender who played against him whilst he was at Liverpool would agree with you, just like not one other member of this forum seems to agree with you.

I remember Kerry Dixon on Chelsea TV before we signed him saying he thought he was one of the best strikers, if not THE best on the planet at the time and stating he hoped we did everything possible to sign him- there was a reason for this.

So Torres scored 81 goals in 142 appearances for Liverpool and according to 'hazard a guess' he was 'possibly the most overrated player in the world' at the time? I would be surprised but to quote Vinnie Jones 'you should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity'

Seriously 'hazard a guess' we know you hate Torres and that is your 'thing' but this is taking it to silly levels now.

I would bet money not one defender who played against him whilst he was at Liverpool would agree with you, just like not one other member of this forum seems to agree with you.

I remember Kerry Dixon on Chelsea TV before we signed him saying he thought he was one of the best strikers, if not THE best on the planet at the time and stating he hoped we did everything possible to sign him- there was a reason for this.

Hazard a guess is a tit.

So Torres scored 81 goals in 142 appearances for Liverpool and according to 'hazard a guess' he was 'possibly the most overrated player in the world' at the time? I would be surprised but to quote Vinnie Jones 'you should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity'

Seriously 'hazard a guess' we know you hate Torres and that is your 'thing' but this is taking it to silly levels now.

I would bet money not one defender who played against him whilst he was at Liverpool would agree with you, just like not one other member of this forum seems to agree with you.

I remember Kerry Dixon on Chelsea TV before we signed him saying he thought he was one of the best strikers, if not THE best on the planet at the time and stating he hoped we did everything possible to sign him- there was a reason for this.

His numbers are good, but they only tell half the story. They're not too bad this season. 15 in 43 I think? Not awful but we can all see they don't reflect his woeful performances. He was always a poor footballer but his pace and movement combined with the service brought him goals. Now the pace is gone you can see just how bad he is.

Players don't lose all ability over night, some people are surprised at how quickly he has deteriorated but he's only playing at his normal level. His pace hid all his technical shortcoming (which he still had at Livepool) and now that's gone he's got nothing left.

I don't care if people agree with me or not, everyone has their own opinions but the cold hard truth is we bought a dud something that was obvious enough to the people who watched Torres beforehand.

What do you expect Kerry Dixon to say? On Chelsea TV. The show is one huge pile of propaganda, the club probably tell him what he can and can't say. You don't expect him to say that Torres is sh*te and will never resemble a professional footballer again? I was gutted when we were linked with him and was praying we avoided him when the price was a rumoured 35 Million. Not because I hated the bloke at the time but because it was so obvious it was going to turn out like this. Hence why I get annoyed at his lack of effort not his lack of ability.

No you are right.

Torres is sh*t, always has been sh*t, and Kerry Dixon and pretty much the entire football world all secretly thought he was sh*t too but were secretly being told to say he was good.

It's all been one big cover up that 'Hazard a guess' has rumbled.

 

Just look at how sh*t he was, I can't believe nobody rumbled this sooner...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ0gMvbd3Pk

The fabled YouTube video. A perfect way to measure any players ability.

The fabled YouTube video. A perfect way to measure any players ability.

Your arguements would have so much more credibility if you just admitted torres was world class at liverpool. 

 

So your saying his pace and movement were the only reasons he scored goals at liverpool? Pace and movement don't put the ball in the back of the net! His finishing was amazing!

I sort of get the point he's making, technically he wasn't that great. Certainly not at a world class level, it wasn't something he relied too much on to get his goals. The fact that he had the two best mids in the league and a team built around him at that time setting him up helped a lot too but regardless, he's still got to finish those chances and he did that at every level. I wouldn't call him world class at that time personally but he was definitely up there and it's not that much of a stretch to suggest that he was.

Edited February 24, 201313 yr by Remodez

I thought goals were a fairly decent way to measure a players ability, especially for a striker, but apparently his record at Liverpool doesn't tell the whole story?

All his goals were scored due to his pace and the 'best service in the world' so therefore he was overrated and crap??

So we are not allowed to count his goals, we are also not allowed to look at his goals to review how they were scored and if your argument holds any weight.

How exactly would you like us to measure his ability if his goal tally and videos of said goals are all not allowed in your highly intelligent methods of reviewing a players ability- you tell me.

Torres could never, ever be described as clinical anywhere in his career.