A refreshingly honest post from a  Liverpool fan. Thanks for that.

 

All of that said he'll probably score the winner against United tonight eh   Fingers crossed man

Edited March 9, 201313 yr by werockin

All of that said he'll probably score the winner against United tonight eh   Fingers crossed man

 

 

I would be very very happy for that to happen!  Then we wouldn't have to worry in the match TOMORROW!

Decent post. I am pro Torres all the way but i find it massively painful watching him. Confidence is shot and he is never going to get that confidence back while at Chelsea. I was interested to see however that i think torres' shirt is the 7th highest name in the UK at the moment so even despite his form he is still a very popular striker. 

 

I don't understand Nando after Drogba leaving and him looking like you had found some form towards the end of last season and the start of this....where did it actually all go wrong?!

Very good post, werockin. As the poster who wrote off every single aspect of Torres's game as sh*te just two days ago, I agree with what you wrote about him. He was - for a couple of seasons - truly outstanding at Liverpool. He did show great movement, anticipation, and top quality finishing. But as you pointed out, he was not strong mentally, and this came over very clearly. He was also very injury prone, and although his injury record with us has been trouble-free, I look at him and just see a clapped-out player who is a total shadow of what he once was. He knows this, and this has destroyed whatever self-belief he once had, and he must be hating every second of his time with us.

 

Joe Cole gave an honest interview the other day when he said he never performed at Liverpool as he never felt the passion for and deep connection to the the club and the fans that he had at both West Ham and Chelsea. This is so obviously true of Torres. The club have done everything the could have to help him perform: the fans have stuck by him through his barren spells, managers have kept faith with him, players have been signed - and moved on - to help him, managers have been brought in to get the best out of him, but it's all been a complete and utter disaster.

 

I really don't know what he can do. W know the only answer is for him to move on, but who would pay decent money for him? Who would pay him the wages he's used to?

PANTS  hope he is on the bench tomorrow, if he starts lord help us

PANTS hope he is on the bench tomorrow, if he starts lord help us

He shouldn't make the bench.

Hi guys :)

 

I'm a Liverpool fan and I just joined to say how absolutely shocking it is to watch Torres these days, honestly. Most people get a kick out of it, I'm not gonna lie and say I don't get a little bit of one but for the most part, it's actually kind of heartbreaking to see. When Torres first moved, I couldn't quite bare to watch Chelsea play for a long time because I knew he'd be there and I didn't want to see him masquerading around the pitch and celebrating in Chelsea blue when I was so used to seeing him in our red. He was a legend, a hero, a special, special player. The sort that doesn't come around very often, for any club. I notice a few in earlier pages trying to write off his previous successes. Now either you never watched Torres 2007-2010 or you have a poor understanding of what it takes to be a top striker. He was, is, one of the best strikers to have ever graced the Premier League and that's what makes this such a sad state of affairs. You can't discount his pace and movement and say 'without these he'd have been sh*t'.. well of course he would? It just so happens God gifted him with these two talents, as well as an awareness and composure in front of goal that is unheard of. His best attributes were at a world class level and that's what made him world class. I don't subscribe to the argument that Gerrard and Alonso are what made him what he is. This makes it sound like Fernando was incapable of doing anything by himself, he wasn't capable of individual moments of brilliance when in fact, he was. Quite regularly actually. For example, Champions League semi final 2008, at Anfield against Arsenal, 2nd leg.. 1-1, Torres scores the goal that shifts momentum our way, how you say? Simple, one touch, two touch, bang, top corner. 

 

For Torres this is the very thing that he has not been doing at Chelsea. The goals he HAS scored have been put on a plate for him (bar a couple) and I'm pretty sure he has still not ever scored a winner for Chelsea. For a 50m number 9 is so shocking words can't fathom it. I can't say I know what's happened to him as I'm not sure it's enough to say 'he's lost a yard' because he does nothing right anymore. I think he just doesn't care anymore. I think he thinks he's gone past the point of redemption and is just waiting for his chance to leave, hide away in obscurity and pretend his time at Chelsea didn't happen. It was clear after his last few months at Liverpool that Torres had an attitude problem.. or at least a mentality issue. He was not trying for us. He sulked on the pitch, he whined, he bitched, he moaned, he did everything but put a shift in. It's why I knew the second all the reports started (despite the lies he told us) that he was definitely off. He only tried in the big games i.e. Chelsea away. Part of it was Hodgson of course, Torres didn't believe in him for one second and that was true for most people associated with Liverpool at the time, money was tight, fans were in protest, everything at the club was in turmoil so he was seen as our smallest problem. He had excuses made for him at Liverpool.. "oh he's playing in a sh*t team" "Gerrard's off form" "Hodgson's playing style doesn't suit him" blah blah etc. None of that accounted for the scowl he had painted on his face 24/7. When Hodgson was sacked and Kenny appointed, Torres seemed to look a little bit lively again. But alas, it was all a bit late and a few weeks later he moved to Chelsea and no one could have foreseen that everything we had experienced in that last few months with him around would have been magnified 10 fold at Chelsea. 

 

On  a final point, when/if he does leave, where the hell is he going to go? How much of a hit are Chelsea willing to take on this one? I keep seeing reports of 15m etc.. that's mad? Who would pay that plus his sky high wages? 

 

No-one is. Roman has to be prepared to write off the lot. The whole £50 million. A free transfer and if Torres isn't prepared to accept the wage drop that will accompany a move, then he has to get the Malouda treatment. No involvement with the first team squad under any circumstances. It is the only way for us to move forwards.

No-one is. Roman has to be prepared to write off the lot. The whole £50 million. A free transfer and if Torres isn't prepared to accept the wage drop that will accompany a move, then he has to get the Malouda treatment. No involvement with the first team squad under any circumstances. It is the only way for us to move forwards.

I'm sure there are a few clubs out there willing to pay 15 million for torres. Just because many on here wouldn't it doesn't mean some rich russian club wouldn't. The problem is that I don't think torres would go to russia or china. He has a young family and doesn't come across as the sort of player who would just go somewhere for the wage packet. 

 

The only place I can see him going is athletico but he is going to have to take a massive wage cut which I think he might be willing to do. I can't see them paying 15 million for him though so it would have to be involved in a deal with falcao.

So is he doing the biz in training i ask??

£15m believe it or not is a snip for Torres, especially if he goes to Athletico.

 

Average price of a shirt £45, 45% Margin on most clothing through retail, so the club would make circa £20 on each shirt, plus printing, less overheads. He would pay back his transfer fee in shirt sales alone, within a couple of years.

 

Then take into account other marketing opportunities that the club can use him for, and he would probably make them some money, I also have little doubt he would start scoring as soon as he left.

 

The reported £175k per week will also include image rights, so even if he left and we paid a percentage of his wages we would still be quids in as we wouldnt have to pay his image rights!

he is past it - thats for sure . but i disagree with the view that he's sulking/not trying. i honestly think he cares he just looks bereft of confidence and i am disappointed that any of our supporters would boo him. he might not be here next season but you might as well get behind him because he will be playing 1/2 of our games for the rest of the season. 

Without a doubt the worst signing Chelsea have ever made.

Without a doubt the worst signing Chelsea have ever made.

 

Worse than Chris Sutton? 

I think so. Others may disagree but i would say so.

It's just sad, everything about Torres.

 

From absolutely world class to not even looking even close to his former self, how can something like that happen? the ability is clearly burried in there somewhere for f**k sake.

 

Maybe a move back to Spain and Atl Madrid could help him get back on track, at the moment its just painful for both us and him.

Worse than Chris Sutton? 

No

Worse than Chris Sutton? 

 

Definitely. 

Worse than Chris Sutton?

By far....not sure how anyone could disagree tbh.

He makes Sutton look like Drogba.

When comparing any other flop we have ever had to Torres, what you have to take into account is the amount of time and matches Torres has been given compared to other flops. 

 

A guy like Sutton was given one season, if Torres was given a similar treatment to Sutton - he would have had around 5 goals in a similar number of appearances which would obviously would have been slightly better than Sutton's record at CFC. 

 

Difference is that after an abysmal year Sutton was sold for 60% of what we paid for him - instead of trying to build a team around him. 

When comparing any other flop we have ever had to Torres, what you have to take into account is the amount of time and matches Torres has been given compared to other flops. 

 

A guy like Sutton was given one season, if Torres was given a similar treatment to Sutton - he would have had around 5 goals in a similar number of appearances which would obviously would have been slightly better than Sutton's record at CFC. 

 

Difference is that after an abysmal year Sutton was sold for 60% of what we paid for him - instead of trying to build a team around him. 

 

Flogging Torres to Celtic is a great idea come to think of it - even he could thrive in the SPL.

Torres has given up. From the moment he walks on the pitch to the moment he walks off, he's just going through the motions. He's robbing the club. He has literally retired in all-but-name.

 

For that reason he will always go down as the worst player to ever represent us.

 

Remember, he refused to fight for his place, even though he came to a club which had Drogba in its ranks. So, this season, we let him have it his way, with no competition at all, just as he wished.

 

He is the most precious, self-absorbed, pathetic, mercenary, weak-willed player I have ever had the misfortunate to watch, and if we can find a club willing to take him on a free we should bite their hand off .. and then laugh at them.

 

Fernando Torres is a w**ker and a liability and the sooner he gets out of Chelsea the sooner Chelsea can begin to move forward.

Cant argue with that.

agreed

Torres has given up. From the moment he walks on the pitch to the moment he walks off, he's just going through the motions. He's robbing the club. He has literally retired in all-but-name.

 

For that reason he will always go down as the worst player to ever represent us.

 

Remember, he refused to fight for his place, even though he came to a club which had Drogba in its ranks. So, this season, we let him have it his way, with no competition at all, just as he wished.

 

He is the most precious, self-absorbed, pathetic, mercenary, weak-willed player I have ever had the misfortunate to watch, and if we can find a club willing to take him on a free we should bite their hand off .. and then laugh at them.

 

Fernando Torres is a w**ker and a liability and the sooner he gets out of Chelsea the sooner Chelsea can begin to move forward.

 

I'm not sure I'm getting your exact feelings on the man?

 

All joking aside, I think your probably wrong on most counts, but hey ho!

Torres has given up. From the moment he walks on the pitch to the moment he walks off, he's just going through the motions. He's robbing the club. He has literally retired in all-but-name.

For that reason he will always go down as the worst player to ever represent us.

Remember, he refused to fight for his place, even though he came to a club which had Drogba in its ranks. So, this season, we let him have it his way, with no competition at all, just as he wished.

He is the most precious, self-absorbed, pathetic, mercenary, weak-willed player I have ever had the misfortunate to watch, and if we can find a club willing to take him on a free we should bite their hand off .. and then laugh at them.

Fernando Torres is a w**ker and a liability and the sooner he gets out of Chelsea the sooner Chelsea can begin to move forward.

Spot on. Sums up my feelings towards this pathetic joke of a player.