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Sorry just respectfully disagree - I think they're second rate players. They're good squad players, but they're nowhere near Willian's level.

Sorry just respectfully disagree - I think they're second rate players. They're good squad players, but they're nowhere near Willian's level.

 

Izzy Brown will almost certainly never get there, but Cuadrado and Musonda? Charley in particular is way too young to write off yet and has been very impressive. 

 

I'm not entirely sure what the requirements are to be 'near Willian's level' to be honest. I respect his hard work but it's not like he sets the world alight.

Sell him and buy who? If we buy someone and he doesn't hit the heights and 100% of the time do we sell them? We have a new set up next season so I would much prefer we keep him.

Sell him and buy who? If we buy someone and he doesn't hit the heights and 100% of the time do we sell them? We have a new set up next season so I would much prefer we keep him.

 

But isn't that what we're doing here? Talking about selling a player who hasn't the heights 100% of the time and doing so for a £20 million profit (if the reports are true which they probably aren't).

I agree it's too soon to write Musonda off yet, but 13 appearances 1 goal 1 assist suggests he's nowhere near ready yet. I think playing in Spain week in week out would benefit him more to be honest, not just the odd cameo for us.

 

Despite doing sweet FA this year I actually think Izzy Brown can potentially make it here... but not on the wing - if he fills out, learns the dark art of 'being a c**t' and his stats suggest he wins his fair share of aerial challenges I think there's some potential to be an effective wide target man/centre forward (something I think we're lacking imo).

 

Cuadrado would be better off at Juve, I'd prefer we took Salah back or re-signed Schurrle tbh, he just isn't suited to the Premier League imo.

 

Unless we sign Bale or Reus I hope Willian stays.

Edited April 29, 201610 yr by the special one

Obviously we would only be selling if there is a player Conte rates higher.

Willian while being decent at the start of the season has never really done anything to justify his price tag.

He hardly scores, assists or has the skill set to be a world class wide player. He has bags load of stamina and work rate but that's about it.

Maybe he will improve under Conte but I personally don't think he will improve as footballer.

£50 million could either go on a few players to mould this side into Conte's vision or be pissed up against a wall on duds like Cuadrado, Salah, Pato and Falcao.

Who knows?

He's a quality player and obviously brings far more than his goals and assists. Ther are plenty of players who would have a bigger output in those terms but far fewer would have an improved contribution overall.

I don't think he's easily replaceable. £50m is huge for a player who wouldn't have much resale value after his next contract, but given the way the market has inflated it isn't THAT huge.

I'd prefer it if we kept our best players, and Willian is undoubtedly one of that group imo.

Izzy Brown will almost certainly never get there, but Cuadrado and Musonda? Charley in particular is way too young to write off yet and has been very impressive. 

 

I'm not entirely sure what the requirements are to be 'near Willian's level' to be honest. I respect his hard work but it's not like he sets the world alight.

 

Izzy Brown - Age: 19

Charly Musonda - Age 19

 

I believe this is called an oxymoron???

 

I agree it's too soon to write Musonda off yet, but 13 appearances 1 goal 1 assist suggests he's nowhere near ready yet. I think playing in Spain week in week out would benefit him more to be honest, not just the odd cameo for us.

 

Despite doing sweet FA this year I actually think Izzy Brown can potentially make it here... but not on the wing - if he fills out, learns the dark art of 'being a c**t' and his stats suggest he wins his fair share of aerial challenges I think there's some potential to be an effective wide target man/centre forward (something I think we're lacking imo).

 

Cuadrado would be better off at Juve, I'd prefer we took Salah back or re-signed Schurrle tbh, he just isn't suited to the Premier League imo.

 

Unless we sign Bale or Reus I hope Willian stays.

 

sigh..

Izzy Brown - Age: 19

Charly Musonda - Age 19

 

I believe this is called an oxymoron???

 

 

I probably didn't explain myself very well. Izzy Brown doesn't (in my opinion) have the potential to be a top-level player. He's decent but not exceptional. Charley Musonda on the other hand has a tremendous amount of potential.

 

Fair enough on your point because it did seem like I saw saying that age was the only reason not to write them off when it is actually about talent and potential.

 

As for Willian, he's a fine player, he works hard and he's been one of the better players this year but is he a top class player worth £50 million? No, not in my opinion. I think there are areas of our team we need to strengthen and we could use that money there, but I also think that his willingness to run and his tidiness on the ball actually hides the fact that his production and contribution to the team isn't actually that great. 

 

Players like Hazard and Costa are matchwinners, and I'd even throw Courtois, Fabregas and Matic into that category when they're on form. When Willian is on-form, is he a matchwinner? I don't think so. For me he's a role player and you absolutely need those, but they aren't £50 million players no matter how much the market gets inflated.

I probably didn't explain myself very well. Izzy Brown doesn't (in my opinion) have the potential to be a top-level player. He's decent but not exceptional. Charley Musonda on the other hand has a tremendous amount of potential.

 

A 'decent' player can still become exceptional, and conversely a player with tremendous potential can become mediocre. Musonda can easily become just another Kakuta. If we're making predictions I'll say Izzy Brown can be our Thomas Muller.   

Edited April 29, 201610 yr by the special one

Pretty simple one this.  Sell for 50m.  Willian is exceptional at nothing and pretty good at most things.  But with 50m in the bank we can do some serious business.  We won't see an offer like 50m from anyone else for Willian, probably ever.  We are at his absolute peak for value after this "breakout" season of 11 goals and 6 assists in all competitions (i think this is right, could be off a little).  I know he brings more than goals and assists, but he isn't lighting the world on fire and 50m is great return.  

A 'decent' player can still become exceptional, and conversely a player with tremendous potential can become mediocre. Musonda can easily become just another Kakuta. If we're making predictions I'll say Izzy Brown can be our Thomas Muller.   

 

Ok, I'm just saying it's unlikely. Izzy is a nice little player but I wouldn't say he was exceptionally gifted in any area. 

If we get 50m and he is willing to go to China we would be massive mugs for not doing it.

If we get 50m and he is willing to go to China we would be massive mugs for not doing it.

 

I think the biggest problem is relying on the club to find a replacement. If we could do that right then i would have no problem with us selling Willian for £50 million.

Not a fan of selling him. Especially not right now when we wouldn't be able to replace with similar quality.

He's a hard worker and provides balance. His numbers aren't big, but i would suggest if we measured secondary assists (ie. pass before the pass) a clear picture of his value would emerge.

He also won't go to China. He was only in the media last week talking about how he was disappointed in Shakthar for only selling Teixeira to there because they paid big money, because it would limit his Brazil chances.

I think the biggest problem is relying on the club to find a replacement. If we could do that right then i would have no problem with us selling Willian for £50 million.

 

Theo Walcott? Oxlade-Chamberlain?? 

I think the biggest problem is relying on the club to find a replacement. If we could do that right then i would have no problem with us selling Willian for £50 million.

 

That's if we need to replace him. If Conte goes 352 then I don't see how he fits in the team anyway.

 

BUT if we remain a 433 team, or even a 442/424 then I think we're overlooking one player - Cuadrado. We own him, he's had an impressive season, Conte apparently loves him and the argument against using him is based almost entirely on 312 league minutes last season isn't it?

 

I just think £50 million is way too much to turn down for a player who is a nice link-up player who might be deceptively productive because he might get a lot of secondary assists.

 

Bear in mind he has just two years left on his contract and will be 28 in August, so the other option is to give a four or five year contract at £120,000 to a player who has scored 3 goals in the league since the start of October. That's one more than Eden Hazard and is still more goals than he scored in the league all last season.

While he didn’t get a large amount of game time Cuadrado looked an utterly terrible footballer every single time he wore our shirt. Sometimes it happens with certain players who just can’t adapt or cope with football in a certain league/country.

I’d certainly have Willian even out of position playing for us than Cuadrado, he might have done a better job in Italy but he clearly does have what it takes to make it at Chelsea IMO.

While he didn’t get a large amount of game time Cuadrado looked an utterly terrible footballer every single time he wore our shirt. Sometimes it happens with certain players who just can’t adapt or cope with football in a certain league/country.

I’d certainly have Willian even out of position playing for us than Cuadrado, he might have done a better job in Italy but he clearly does have what it takes to make it at Chelsea IMO.

 

I agree that he didn't adapt well under Jose but coming in at that time was a real tough ask. If you believe the reports about Conte wanting him, about Atletico making an enquiry about him and even look at what he's done this year at Juve then I think he deserves a second chance.

 

Again, less than 400 minutes under a different coach isn't really a big enough sample size for me to disregard everything else although I totally understand why some people have reservations. If he comes back he gets a clean slate.

 

But I think this is all unlikely to happen. I don't think even the Chinese would pay that much for him. 

Edited April 29, 201610 yr by ShedEnder91

The club clearly, clearly has our best crop of young players in a very long time. Back to back uefa youth league winners, back to back to back fa youth cup winners.

Our next great team should be formed on the backbone of these young players, just as sir Alex had done before.

It would be a shame to waste this opportunity to remove our mediocre talent for high prices and replace them with youth.

A shame, but a very Chelsea thing to do....

We need Willian and Hazard next season, when they are anywhere near good form they are by far our best options for the left/right attacking midfield positions, with a new player in the middle between them, Oscar will probably have to be sold as he's to valuable to be sat on the bench week in week out.

Loftus-Cheek could be back up for the center midfield position.

 

But who to buy ?

Everyone should probably get a clean slate with the new man in charge but I personally can’t see certain ones like Cuadrado ever making the grade here. That being said if WAGNH are correct in players like the Belgium boy turning us down for CL football then we might have to hope some of these out of favour players turn it around.

We need Willian and Hazard next season, when they are anywhere near good form they are by far our best options for the left/right attacking midfield positions, with a new player in the middle between them, Oscar will probably have to be sold as he's to valuable to be sat on the bench week in week out.

Loftus-Cheek could be back up for the center midfield position.

 

But who to buy ?

 

I really don't see us staying 4231 so we don't need a number 10. A midfield three of Matic, Fabregas and Nainggolan with Loftus-Cheek and hopefully Nat Chalobah and Lewis Baker backing them up could be brilliant.

 

 

Everyone should probably get a clean slate with the new man in charge but I personally can’t see certain ones like Cuadrado ever making the grade here. That being said if WAGNH are correct in players like the Belgium boy turning us down for CL football then we might have to hope some of these out of favour players turn it around.

 

If we didn't own Cuadrado I probably wouldn't be pushing for us to sign him, but the fact that we do and that Conte really rates him....I just want to see how he turns out under a coach with that type of faith in him.

I really don't see us staying 4231 so we don't need a number 10. A midfield three of Matic, Fabregas and Nainggolan with Loftus-Cheek and hopefully Nat Chalobah and Lewis Baker backing them up could be brilliant.

 

You could be right, but without a #10 we rely on Cesc to do all the orchestrating from deep, which as we know does not always work out. We at least need a #10 option as plan b or c.