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Sorry if there is already a thread for this topic or even if 'you guys' are bored at answering the same old questions....

But-

Am I the only one that gets a little dis-heartened with the lack of youth breaking into our team/squad??

I thought Josh was gonna be something special. (Doubtful now)

Bamford is scoring constantly in lower leagues, but you 'just know' he will never make it as Chelsea's number 9.

And Ake impressed last year, but hasn't played a minute since.

I realise... WE ARE CHELSEA. One of the finest teams in Europe....

We (mostly) have the highest quality players in (again mostly) every position and if the 'kids' aren't good enough they shouldn't be forced into the match day list but STILL-

Why can't we seem to un-earth a gem? Or even someone who can do 'a job?!'

There's nothing like cheering for a kid coming off the bench making his debut for your club!!!!

Who was the last 'breakout player??' - JT?

Is there anyone who you truly believe WILL be a regular for us????

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Sorry if there is already a thread for this topic or even if 'you guys' are bored at answering the same old questions....

But-

Am I the only one that gets a little dis-heartened with the lack of youth breaking into our team/squad??

I thought Josh was gonna be something special. (Doubtful now)

Bamford is scoring constantly in lower leagues, but you 'just know' he will never make it as Chelsea's number 9.

And Ake impressed last year, but hasn't played a minute since.

I realise... WE ARE CHELSEA. One of the finest teams in Europe....

We (mostly) have the highest quality players in (again mostly) every position and if the 'kids' aren't good enough they shouldn't be forced into the match day list but STILL-

Why can't we seem to un-earth a gem? Or even someone who can do 'a job?!'

There's nothing like cheering for a kid coming off the bench making his debut for your club!!!!

Who was the last 'breakout player??' - JT?

Is there anyone who you truly believe WILL be a regular for us????

 

I think we would all love to see the next JT come through the ranks but unfortunately it's just so unlikely in the modern day and especially at Chelsea; the managerial merry-go round of the last 10 years has certainly saved us from crisis at times and been a factor in winning trophies, but it has also prevented any sustained development of the first team squad. Simply put, every manager that has been here under RA would have known how little time they were granted to make things click, and with that being the case, why would you risk blooding a youngster when you can opt for the quick, £25million fix?

 

At the moment, I hold no hope for McEachran and very little for anyone else. I could possibly see Chalobah breaking in, Jose is known to be a big fan, but his development seems to have stalled somewhat this year.

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Probably not.

 

Youth was always going to take a downfall when there is a take over. Despite the facilities being upgraded there's still less of a chance of players breaking through here. There are some interesting looking ones like the players you mentioned, even Lucas Piazon and Chalobah look good but I can't see them making it. Only one I can see getting here and given a good amount of playing time is Kurt Zouma and it wouldn't actually surprised me if he was playing for us in a rotation system rather than going out on loan next season so I doubt he is even going to count as youth.

 

Look at Man City, they had a much better youth than we did before we both got taken over and there is no chance any player is going to come through there.

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Probably not.

 

Youth was always going to take a downfall when there is a take over. Despite the facilities being upgraded there's still less of a chance of players breaking through here. There are some interesting looking ones like the players you mentioned, even Lucas Piazon and Chalobah look good but I can't see them making it. Only one I can see getting here and given a good amount of playing time is Kurt Zouma and it wouldn't actually surprised me if he was playing for us in a rotation system rather than going out on loan next season so I doubt he is even going to count as youth.

 

Look at Man City, they had a much better youth than we did before we both got taken over and there is no chance any player is going to come through there.

 

Players like Piazon and Zouma don't really count in my opinion since they weren't originally ours.

 

I would love to see a player come through the ranks at this club, but if they are not good enough then there is no point just throwing them into the first team. Look at Cleverley at United, he went on loan and then went back and looked very ordinary, as does Welbeck in my opinion.

 

Players like McEachran and Chalobah need to prove themselves out on loan which at the moment i don't think they are doing well enough. Chalobah this season has stalled and McEachran has just stopped progressing since he went on loan to Swansea.

 

Bertrand was the one in recent years who i thought would break out of our youth system and in a way he has, he has still played a good amount of games for the club and i thought he was more than capable of holding down a place in the side. Every time he played for us he never looked out of place or had a bad game. I'm still unsure as to why Mourinho doesn't seem to rate him that highly.

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Players like Piazon and Zouma don't really count in my opinion since they weren't originally ours.

 

I would love to see a player come through the ranks at this club, but if they are not good enough then there is no point just throwing them into the first team. Look at Cleverley at United, he went on loan and then went back and looked very ordinary, as does Welbeck in my opinion.

 

Players like McEachran and Chalobah need to prove themselves out on loan which at the moment i don't think they are doing well enough. Chalobah this season has stalled and McEachran has just stopped progressing since he went on loan to Swansea.

 

Bertrand was the one in recent years who i thought would break out of our youth system and in a way he has, he has still played a good amount of games for the club and i thought he was more than capable of holding down a place in the side. Every time he played for us he never looked out of place or had a bad game. I'm still unsure as to why Mourinho doesn't seem to rate him that highly.

 

Yes but you need to remember youngsters are youngsters, although I agree they have to prove themselves but you also have to show them a lot of faith and stability. Just take Arsenal for instance, it's not that they have better facilities than us or better scouting they just show a lot more faith into their players and give them suitable game time. Sometimes it pays off sometimes it doesn't. But we aren't going to have a great youth system if we don't show the players faith, but if we are going to do this then we will also step back on playing quality players which could potentially damage our place in the league.

 

Teams like Bayern and Barca have done it with ease and also win things but in the English league it's much harder to do this because there is a lot more competition. I personally think McEachran is very talented but I have big doubts about him making it here because unless he proves to us that he's going to be as good as Jack Wilshere at the current club he is at now then we are just going to let him go.

 

If it was Arsenal they would have given him a lot more time and even played him in the league in the right games, and he will then probably turn out to be a really good player. I guess that's just the way it works I suppose we will never get the best of both worlds in our current circumstances.

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Probably not.

 

Youth was always going to take a downfall when there is a take over. Despite the facilities being upgraded there's still less of a chance of players breaking through here. There are some interesting looking ones like the players you mentioned, even Lucas Piazon and Chalobah look good but I can't see them making it. Only one I can see getting here and given a good amount of playing time is Kurt Zouma and it wouldn't actually surprised me if he was playing for us in a rotation system rather than going out on loan next season so I doubt he is even going to count as youth.

 

Look at Man City, they had a much better youth than we did before we both got taken over and there is no chance any player is going to come through there.

Can you provide an example of this happening? United still had players coming through when they splashed their cash, Madrid have always had youngster come through as well even if they ended up being sold and replaced with star signings, PSG still have youngsters playing for them, Inter still had players who came through the system and it's too soon for Monaco so I won't bother with them. Did I miss anyone? 

 

As for City, there is a change of youngsters coming through there. That's the entire plan of the Shierks, 3 years of heavy investment and then a self sustainment period where they rely on youngsters like Lopes, Huws, Rekik, Gudetti. If City had the youngsters we did I'm certain they would have had a few of them in the squad already, I mean Lopes and Boyata have already gotten game time and neither of them are better than what we have. 

 

 

Unfortunately we haven't had anyone that's been good enough. 

Good enough in what sense? Good enough to walk into the starting XI of a top team? Good luck finding that sort of youngster. If you mean good enough to contribute to the team then we've had quite a few. Matic (back with us now though), Borini, Josh, Stoch and Tore. Probably missing one or two others but those are the main ones I remember anyway.

 

Now of course the common response to this is "look at where they are now" or "what have they done", which completely ignores the fact that they would have developed better at a higher quality team with top class facilities, players, coaches and managers. Luckily for Matic he ended up at one of the best clubs in the world for developing talent otherwise he probably would have been classed in the same group as the others, although he was anyway as I quite clearly remember few on here giving the old "what has he done" speech when his name came up shortly after trading him in the deal for Luiz.

 

Fair enough if circumstances prevented any of them from being given the chance (we were well stacked up front for one) but don't say they weren't good enough cause they were at the time. 

 

We have plenty of youngsters that are "good enough" at the moment. Not even going to list them all cause I would probably forget someone but if players like Ake can't get into the team (hopefully won't be the case, he's one of my favourite players) then there's a serious problem.

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Can you provide an example of this happening? United still had players coming through when they splashed their cash, Madrid have always had youngster come through as well even if they ended up being sold and replaced with star signings, PSG still have youngsters playing for them, Inter still had players who came through the system and it's too soon for Monaco so I won't bother with them. Did I miss anyone? 

 

When I mean a takeover I do not mean the one the same as United, and to be honest Uniteds takeover wasn't exactly for the best. Where as us and City had takeovers that made us the teams we are, where as Liverpool have been a strong side for a long time despite some decline over the recent years so I'm not talking about there takeover either.

 

And you've completely missed my point on the other clubs, I stated in my post that in the Premier League it's a different game, it's much more competitive. If we where to give youngsters the chance and stability then we would have to sacrifice good players in order to do that and that's with the chance of sacrificing results.

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I agree that the lack of managerial stability has damaged our ability to bring the youth through. Did AVB Robbie or FSW really have time to worry about long term strategy. If anyone has a bit more security it's Jose. Perhaps with another premier league title under his belt and having reminded us all why he was and is the man he will start to slowly introduce some of the potential young talent. That said I'm not holding my breath, he is ruthless in pursuit of success (which ultimately is what matters to us most unless we want to be like Arse).

Of the current crop from what I've seen I would think at least piazon, Ake and Bertrand are capable of having a future at the club. Piazon excites me and is a potential new musketeer. Ake looked very mature and comfortable when he has played. And if Bertrand can look perfectly at home on the winning side in a champions league final and still not get game time you have to wonder if there's a failure in some form at the club with the policy.

Will be interesting to see how it pans out in the next year or two.

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Because we are such a cash rich club it has hindered our academy. Same as at other wealth clubs such as Madrid and Man City, we want to buy instant success. We have heaps of talent in our academy but we don't have a Barcelona style La Masia and youngsters will rarely be given a chance. 

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One thing you also have to remember here is we have guys like Salah who really haven't played and he is an expensive signing. Someone like Ake is miles away from even smelling the grass. It is what it is. Chelsea is not the place for youth to come through. You decide if it is sad or not.

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Watching the under 18's cup against Newcastle and theres a couple of very good players who I hope gdt a chance in the future. Isaiah brown and alex kiwomya are two talented players who I'd love to see given a chance. Kiwomya has electric pace and a very good cross on him and brown seems to have a great eye for a pass. It would be a travesty to not bring a few of these youngsters through in the near future. Our youth teams are beating some of the best teams in england and Europe, yet still cannot seem to do enough to get a first team shot.

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Also, the young guns play for the shirt, and they're just happy to play in the first team. Whereas these primadonnas earning 100,000 a week show little enthusiasm. They come from south america and moan about the weather and other menial crap, rather than just playing with some desire to show they're worth that money.

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