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Now before people go nuts just here me out...

I have a Facebook group called AFC Football Chat (it was a reboot of a previous group called Football Chat, the AFC part was a play on teams like AFC Wilmbledom etc but anyway...) and I posted a topic of discussion about how I don't like that the League Cup and FA Cup are spoken of as Mickey Mouse competitions when simply they are called that because they don't financially impact a club the way finishing in the top four does. Now one reply I got was "The Chamoions League is good but it screw everything else" and it made me realise it's exactly what it is. Qualifying for the Champions League seems to be the number one priority for most clubs and it's ruining the game. The FA Cup as a kid was the one to win, it was amazing but now it seems to be seen as a lesser competition and along with the League Cup isn't really viewed as a success to win.

One of the reasons I love Jose is he seems to want to win all competitions and we truly do try to. The League Cup is a prime example, he knows what it means to win it. It's not like it was our main objective and of course the League is one of the two big ones but I truly wish the domestic cups were taken more seriously like they were back in the day.

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Yes.

The large amount of money associated with the league has made it the most important thing in football. This can be seen by Arsenal's priority being CL qualification more than winning the league. Arsenal would like to win the league but not winning the league but getting CL qualification means that the season is a good one (not for thr fans who'd like to win the CL but for the money men).

As an older person, my view of European football has changed a bit because it used to be British players going to play foreign sides but now it's 'our' overseas players playing their overseas players. It means less to me because of that.

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There's so much money involved with the CL, just by being in it even if there's little chance of a particular team actually winning the thing, that being in it takes precedence over everything else. Coming 4th in the PL is now bigger than winning the FA Cup or League Cup. I'd add that it also pretty much killed off the Uefa Cup and Cup Winners' Cup. Quality competition, but also a competition killer.

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There's so much money involved with the CL, just by being in it even if there's little chance of a particular team actually winning the thing, that being in it takes precedence over everything else. Coming 4th in the PL is now bigger than winning the FA Cup or League Cup. I'd add that it also pretty much killed off the Uefa Cup and Cup Winners' Cup. Quality competition, but also a competition killer.

So how do you feel about the two domestic cups?

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of course if Jose said in August "I'm only interested in defending the Premier League title and trying to win the CL so I'm going to play youngsters in the two cups" - I think I would feel that was fair enough, we might even win a cup with a side built around our best youth players   

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of course if Jose said in August "I'm only interested in defending the Premier League title and trying to win the CL so I'm going to play youngsters in the two cups" - I think I would feel that was fair enough, we might even win a cup with a side built around our best youth players

That would really bug me actually

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Honestly, I just love how things are right now, I think the Champions League is the most hyped competition but it never fails to deliver, that for me makes it magic. 

 

But of course the debate is has it ruined domestic football? I'm not so sure, Champions League is fantastic to participate in, my only comment on this is that I wouldn't change it for the world right now, I like football how it is. Nothing can be truly perfect can it, but I think the status of football right now is good. 

 

I do miss the Italian league though, I wish that league would pick itself up a bit. 

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do you not think it's almost impossible to have a serious go at all 4 competitions now?

I don't no, I mean no ones ever gonna win all 4 in the same season but that's what a squad is for. Had we had more quality squad players and rotated abit more I'm sure we could have had a proper good go for four. I am dead against simply putting out youth sides in the domestic cups, it devalues the competitions, rotation is fine but you should always put of strong sides in all comps.

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I wouldn't say ruined. Changed though, yes.

Firstly I think that the CL has its good and bad points. The best European nights are amazing and I love being able to watch the best players in the world playing their foreign neighbours in midweek. Plus you get some great away days. You also get some dull, dead midweek games against awful opposition.

And there's no booze served to help either of these. Ridiculous.

In terms of domestic football, it has diminished the cups for the big teams because it makes less financial sense to go on a cup run if you're looking for a top 4 spot.

But the race for a CL spot is another exciting aspect of the league despite us mocking Arsenal for treating it like a trophy. That's an added dimension of excitement most seasons in my opinion.

Personally I think maybe we need to look at doing away with the league cup. It's never had the lustre of the FA Cup and was itself set up for financial reasons so it probably wouldn't be a massive loss. Yes it has great moments but I think teams will increasingly treat it as a distraction as the money at stake not just in the Champions League, but in the Premier League increases.

So like anything, the CL has had positive and negative effects. But at its best, very little in sport comes close to it.

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Good points blue daze but I don't think they should do away with the league cup at all. Smaller teams rely on both the league cup and FA cups for generate decent income and at a chance to play some bigger teams in matches they dream of watching. Look at Bradford in 2012/13 they got themselves out of debt via a cup run in the league cup.

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It's all about money.

The prize money for a top 4 finish - which in turn brings CL revenue - compared to a domestic cup win, couldnt be further apart.

Football isn't a sport anymore, it's entertainment, like the music and movie business. The PL and CL are global products and watched by billions of people.

It's a different game now, cash driven, and teams will always prioritise the competitions that generate more cash.

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I do miss the Italian league though, I wish that league would pick itself up a bit. 

 

Juventus have done their league a favor by representing themselves in the Champions League final but the risk of becoming a one-team league is a worry for the neutral as they seem miles ahead of their competitors in the transfer market. It's up to Napoli, Roma, Lazio, Fiorentina, Inter etc. to step up and challenge them. It's really sad what's become of AC Milan who were once such an elite force in Europe.

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Has Champions League ruined football? Might as well ask if television rights money will ruin domestic football? With the new deal, the clubs will get more money per season just for showing up than Real Madrid got from winning Champions League last season. Just getting into Premier League will be enough for many promoted teams and then there are those parachute payments if you go down. Will the gap between Premier League and Championship get wider and will we see loads of yo-yo clubs that bounce between the Premier League and the Championship because the other teams in the Championship can't compete with them financially.

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Juventus have done their league a favor by representing themselves in the Champions League final but the risk of becoming a one-team league is a worry for the neutral as they seem miles ahead of their competitors in the transfer market. It's up to Napoli, Roma, Lazio, Fiorentina, Inter etc. to step up and challenge them. It's really sad what's become of AC Milan who were once such an elite force in Europe.

With Milan getting new investment and the FFP rules been relaxed then I think that league could be heading back to the glory days

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We all know the good points of the UCL so there is no point in me saying what I think about that, but...

 

It has certainly changed football for the worse, money is clearly important but that coveted 4th spot in the BPL for example is huge, imagine if English teams perform poorly next year and lose that spot so only the top 3 would qualify? It would create chaos in the league.

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We all know the good points of the UCL so there is no point in me saying what I think about that, but...

 

It has certainly changed football for the worse, money is clearly important but that coveted 4th spot in the BPL for example is huge, imagine if English teams perform poorly next year and lose that spot so only the top 3 would qualify? It would create chaos in the league.

 

To keep that 4th Champions League spot next season, Premier League teams must take the Europa League seriously. The Italian teams have taken it very seriously and had 2 teams in the Semi Finals this year and it's given them a great chance to take that 4th spot off us next season. If we can get more teams advancing to the later stages of the Champions League we may be ok, but it would help a lot if teams were more respectful towards the Europa League. If Juve win the Champions League i think the Italy will take that spot next season no matter how well English clubs do in Europe.

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