Exactly SP, we are paying for potential, i say move on and let Everton suck hard on their prized mint...

your'e avin a larf   what's that then 60 mill for Barkley if Stones is allegedly worth 40......the whole world has gone f**kin nuts

 

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sterling can go for 50 million, barkley is still same age as sterling with as much, if not more potential and stones isn't going for anything less than 40 methinks, so near on 100 mil for those two english players. 

Edited August 19, 201510 yr by enigma

I'm sure United fans were saying the same thing when they signed Rooney for around £30 million over 10 years ago.

Sometimes you look at a player and know the are destined for the big time and that's exactly what I see when I see Stones play.

Sometimes you have to take a risk like United did with Wayne, if it comes off it's an absolute bargain.

 

Strikers win you titles and silverware, while defenders play their part they are never (Luiz excluded...because of madness at PSG) as highly valued as an attacking player.....take the best defender in the world that you can think of.....then take the best attacking player you can think of.....is the defender the same or greater value than Messi or Ronaldo?   So why is Stones, regardless of potential being valued at the kind of money that Everton are looking at which is more than a world class striker....the apparent 40 mill that Everton are looking at is just a number that they believe 'desperate Chelsea' might be willing to pay....the reality is Stones is probably valued somewhere between 20-25mill tops.....fair play to Everton they are pulling the strings and playing with an inept Chelsea transfer management team that has just everything too late....they should have gone in for Stones at the very start of the transfer window and not be f**king about with a few days left....this inept transfer window lies squarely at the feet of the entire Management team especially Jose because he is the man who is responsible for identifying the targets before the window opened; whether or not he was told that there is no cash who knows, but he is the one who sat in front of the cameras and stated that he was very happy with this squad and that they would simply have to up their game to retain the title..pooh poohing the other clubs around him for spending money.....now look at the mess we are in after two results....we are now desperate for a CB and probably one or two other places need shoring up....and his mighty ego has got in the way with his bold statement of claiming that he will make Falcao great again...what was he smoking at the time; Costa has looked half the player he was last year, Remy is pissed so the chances of scoring anytime soon is way off down the road....Anyway rant over.    I guess at the end of the day CFC could pay 50mill for Stones..what do I care it's not my money.

I've seen talk of including Moses in a swap deal... I'd rather not, thought he looked decent pre-season and gives us something different upfront.

I'd be happy with that tbh I think he's an average footballer

Edited August 19, 201510 yr by Bobbywoodhogan

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sterling can go for 50 million, barkley is still same age as sterling with as much, if not more potential and stones isn't going for anything less than 40 methinks, so near on 100 mil for those two english players. 

 

I understand the English thing in terms of prices because teams have to have mediocre players mixed in with world class players, but City are stupid and their owner has delusions of grandeur believing his club will be on par with the likes of Real Madrid in terms of spending power; so he will go out and pay stupid prices for players because his cheque book says he can, especially now that FFP is all but left in tatters. If Messi was 300 mill they would buy him because they are stupid..

Strikers win you titles and silverware, while defenders play their part they are never (Luiz excluded...because of madness at PSG) as highly valued as an attacking player.....take the best defender in the world that you can think of.....then take the best attacking player you can think of.....is the defender the same or greater value than Messi or Ronaldo? So why is Stones, regardless of potential being valued at the kind of money that Everton are looking at which is more than a world class striker....the apparent 40 mill that Everton are looking at is just a number that they believe 'desperate Chelsea' might be willing to pay....the reality is Stones is probably valued somewhere between 20-25mill tops.....fair play to Everton they are pulling the strings and playing with an inept Chelsea transfer management team that has just everything too late....they should have gone in for Stones at the very start of the transfer window and not be f**king about with a few days left....this inept transfer window lies squarely at the feet of the entire Management team especially Jose because he is the man who is responsible for identifying the targets before the window opened; whether or not he was told that there is no cash who knows, but he is the one who sat in front of the cameras and stated that he was very happy with this squad and that they would simply have to up their game to retain the title..pooh poohing the other clubs around him for spending money.....now look at the mess we are in after two results....we are now desperate for a CB and probably one or two other places need shoring up....and his mighty ego has got in the way with his bold statement of claiming that he will make Falcao great again...what was he smoking at the time; Costa has looked half the player he was last year, Remy is pissed so the chances of scoring anytime soon is way off down the road....Anyway rant over. I guess at the end of the day CFC could pay 50mill for Stones..what do I care it's not my money.

It’s fair points mate.

However we know the market in England when players move from club to club is grossly over inflated and has been since the days Roman first arrived.

You have guys like Sterling moving for £50 odd million, we were spending over £20 million on SWP then of course is the Ferdinand and Rooney deals which were close to £30 million.

I think with the rules changing in the last few seasons in terms of home-grown players it’s made the prices even more inflated now as clubs selling know they have the buying club over a barrel…it’s easy to say go abroad and buy another Zouma or the likes but it’s clear the Stones situation is because he is highly rated but almost as important he’s English and we need that because of these rules. Say it’s 35-40 million, if Stones comes in and continues to improve at the rate he has been he could be a mainstay in central defence for the best part of a decade…then the cost seems very worthwhile.

As you say it’s not our money though, I can see negatives and positives alike for doing a deal for Stones…I just have a feeling he will go on to be a top class CB and I’d rather we had him than the likes of City and United who IMO will be in the mix next summer if he stays.

I'd be happy with that tbh I think he's an average footballer

They can have Caudrado instead!

At 40 mill for Stones...Stanley Matthews; Stan Mortensen and George Best must be turning in their graves...what would they be worth today....the money in football today is mind-blowing.

Time to forget Stones, 40 million is a joke, we should have stopped chasing him a while back. We need to bring in someone else.

I think it will get done around 35 million. Everton signed some guy from Riverplate so I think Stones is going to go. It's an open question as to where he'll end up.

Time to forget Stones, 40 million is a joke, we should have stopped chasing him a while back. We need to bring in someone else.

Antonio Rudiger from Stuttgart would be lovely, but I think he is off to Roma 

.........................................some very good argument..................................Say it’s 35-40 million, if Stones comes in and continues to improve at the rate he has been he could be a mainstay in central defence for the best part of a decade…then the cost seems very worthwhile.

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OR, he could come in and be this year's Robert Huth.  Big Bobby was going to be world-class, had a huge amount of potential, and ended up getting loaned out by Stoke.

 

I think that 35 million is the price you pay for PROVEN World-class players, not some lad who has looked good, but hasn't had at least a couple of seasons as the first choice player in his position at a team challenging for trophies.  I feel the same about Kane at the Spuds.  They both need to do it at the top level, consistently.

OR, he could come in and be this year's Robert Huth.  Big Bobby was going to be world-class, had a huge amount of potential, and ended up getting loaned out by Stoke.

 

I think that 35 million is the price you pay for PROVEN World-class players, not some lad who has looked good, but hasn't had at least a couple of seasons as the first choice player in his position at a team challenging for trophies.  I feel the same about Kane at the Spuds.  They both need to do it at the top level, consistently.

 

This over and over

OR, he could come in and be this year's Robert Huth. Big Bobby was going to be world-class, had a huge amount of potential, and ended up getting loaned out by Stoke.

I think that 35 million is the price you pay for PROVEN World-class players, not some lad who has looked good, but hasn't had at least a couple of seasons as the first choice player in his position at a team challenging for trophies. I feel the same about Kane at the Spuds. They both need to do it at the top level, consistently.

He could be but at the same time he could be the real deal.

Stones has been making huge strides the past few years and is now a permanent fixture in an Everton side. Huth was never proven in our league like Stones was remember.

I know the price is large and it's a big put off for some but look at how much we have spent on the right wing in the past few seasons trying to get a player in…Over £70 million not including the likes of Schurrle.

Sometimes it’s better to get the right player as in the long run you might up spending more trying to get the right individual and fit into that position.

Think about this, say we get stones now, is he better than Zouma, I don't think he is, do we think Zouma and Stones will start, at best he will rotate with Zouma in partnering one of our existing CB's so the difference to our starting ix wont be that significant, like last season when Gary was in a slump, Zouma JT is a good partnership, the leadership of JT with the get out of jail pace of Zouma, give Happy a whole season of starts he will be a top top centre back, he has it all he just needs experience, stones would be coming in to be a long term replacement for JT, he won't be here to solve any problems this season so it's not that big a deal if we dont get him, but it would be nice to make the JT transition more seamless 

Edited August 19, 201510 yr by Oneclubinlondon

I can see why the reported price is so high. From an Everton perspective: You've got a buyer who badly needs an English player in order to satisfy the quota in the near future. From a Chelsea perspective: You have to factor in resale value. I think we, as fans, overlook this at times.

 

Take a reasonable bad-case scenario in which Stones doesn't perform very well, makes a few important mistakes, and fails to establish himself in the starting line-up. How low can his value go? I would suggest that, at 21 years old, he would still be valued at something like 18M+ to domestic clubs in two or three seasons time. Suppose his performances are somewhat average and he is rotated with Cahill and Zouma over the next couple of seasons: 23-27M? Suppose he performs very well and establishes himself, his value could reach 40M in a couple of seasons time (remember that Terry was valued at 40M by City in 2009, at 28 years old). Both the downside and upside risk have to be factored into the valuation.

 

Looking at comparable cases: Phil Jones was valued in the range 17-18M (as far as I know) at age 19, with only one real season (30 or so appearences) under his belt for Blackburn. Smalling 10M at 21 years old with just 13 appearences for Fulham. Rio Ferdinand 31M at age 24, albeit with 150+ appearences, but that was back in 2002! Factor in transfer inflation over the last few years: I'm not surprised that Everton are looking at a valuation exceeding 30M. Don't forget - Stones is under contract until 2019. Expensive, yes. Understandable? I think so.

Edited August 19, 201510 yr by Hazardous

I think stones is going to be a pretty regular starter of we pay 35m for him.

He could be but at the same time he could be the real deal.

Stones has been making huge strides the past few years and is now a permanent fixture in an Everton side. Huth was never proven in our league like Stones was remember.

 

making it a £35M-£40M gamble essentially

100 million and i would take stones and barkley from everton   barkley being a very good prospect whom, i personally feel, will become a top player in a few years or less if he finds some consistency. gotta give it to everton, they really do produce some fine english talent though. 

Stones & Barkley could potentially be Terry & Lampard 2.0

GET IT DONE JOSE!

I can see why the reported price is so high. From an Everton perspective: You've got a buyer who badly needs an English player in order to satisfy the quota in the near future. From a Chelsea perspective: You have to factor in resale value. I think we, as fans, overlook this at times.

Take a reasonable bad-case scenario in which Stones doesn't perform very well, makes a few important mistakes, and fails to establish himself in the starting line-up. How low can his value go? I would suggest that, at 21 years old, he would still be valued at something like 18M+ to domestic clubs in two or three seasons time. Suppose his performances are somewhat average and he is rotated with Cahill and Zouma over the next couple of seasons: 23-27M? Suppose he performs very well and establishes himself, his value could reach 40M in a couple of seasons time (remember that Terry was valued at 40M by City in 2009, at 28 years old). Both the downside and upside risk have to be factored into the valuation.

Looking at comparable cases: Phil Jones was valued in the range 17-18M (as far as I know) at age 19, with only one real season (30 or so appearences) under his belt for Blackburn. Smalling 10M at 21 years old with just 13 appearences for Fulham. Rio Ferdinand 31M at age 24, albeit with 150+ appearences, but that was back in 2002! Factor in transfer inflation over the last few years: I'm not surprised that Everton are looking at a valuation exceeding 30M. Don't forget - Stones is under contract until 2019. Expensive, yes. Understandable? I think so.

Great post mate, points well made. While I agree the transfer can be seen as a gamble you could argue all transfers are a game of roulette, I think we have to bite the bullet and get it done. We have the best facilities, coaching staff, player role model, manager, etc etc to make the most of Stones natural abilities. These resources help to lower the risktaking we make as a club on this transfer.

Edited August 19, 201510 yr by MissouriBlue

Great post mate, points well made. While I agree the transfer can be seen as a gamble you could argue all transfers are a game of roulette, I think we have to bite the bullet and get it done. We have the best facilities, coaching staff, player role model, manager, etc etc to make the most of Stones natural abilities. These resources help to lower the risktaking we make as a club on this transfer.

Pardon me for asking but who do you believe to be player role model? A racist man who sleeps with his friends wife?

Pardon me for asking but who do you believe to be player role model? A racist man who sleeps with his friends wife?

 

Not a racist and she wasn't his wife, let alone together with him, you sad troll.

Pardon me for asking but who do you believe to be player role model? A racist man who sleeps with his friends wife?

Worse than libelling someone, I say worse than libelling someone?