Well at least we have the real Abramovich..

I feel like Mourinho is too pragmatic to evolve Chelsea into a fluid attacking outfit

Fabregas is ineffective in every big game

Mikel's ball retention skills are severely underrated

Do apologise for that. Definitely had you in my mind but forgot your name!

Two seasons, ago, when he was an 18/19 year old? There is not one 20 year old that has put in performances in the big leagues over the past 18 months like Raheem has. There's figures if you want to see which that he's matching Hazard in everything except assists per 90. So for non penalty goals per 90, key passes, completion, tackles, interceptions, dribbles, he's putting in Hazard-esque numbers. All whilst being shunted all over the pitch and playing for a dismal team. Not even two seasons ago, but even after that he's still fulfilled lots of the things mentioned . He's putting in world class numbers all across the board. He might not world class, but he's on the verge of it. Give him a platform like he'd get at any better club (like with a certain team he moved to), and he would show you it. And that's talking about his current ability. The previous doesn't even include that his ability to play in multiple positions for a sh*t Liverpool team is (was) the only threat to his development. He's shown mental fortitude after being dropped from the team for a period of 12 months, then he's carried them for half a season, starred on big stages for them, made the switch to playing well for his country in a different set up, and he's improved physically all throughout that time. He's versatile enough to find himself involved and getting game time in any set up. None of the usual stagnation threats apply to him anymore so irrespective if a lot of this was two seasons ago, there has been nothing to suggest that that form won't be both replicated as well as improved on.

This doesn't detract from the point at all.

What? YOU said, "two seasons ago". We're in agreement.

I feel like Mourinho is too pragmatic to evolve Chelsea into a fluid attacking outfit

Fabregas is ineffective in every big game

Mikel's ball retention skills are severely underrated

The Fabregas assist in the Arsenal game last season, possibly the pass of the season.

Quite an audience. That's what I'm talking about !!!!

 

If I post controversial nonsense like how Guardiola is much better than Mourinho and Sterling was better than Hazard, despite nearly all professional football writers and other people paid to know about football not agreeing, is that how to avoid making misinformed comments?

 

Great response there pal. Basically "I don't know how to argue back, so I'll just reference pundits in hope that they've said something that disagrees with any of the points". Then the obligatory nonsense comment just to top it off! 

 

Your point on pundits is absolutely laughable. The opinion of the pundits invalidate or take priority the opinions of the fans or 'non-paid' writers, clearly people take all the pundits like  Collymore et al words as a gospel, no matter who they are. Oh no wait, they don't. Seems a pattern than only G Neville or Jamie Carragher (barely?) have good things to say.

 

if they're so plentiful, then provide a link to a well-respected writer then who's produced a good detailed report on comparing Sterling with Hazard or Guardiola with Mourinho then (with a unanimous agreement in favourite of both latters, since my post is clearly nonsense!). 

 

Alternatively, feel free to argue against the post from your personal point of view :-). I can't really see anything wrong with I've said personally, but hey. 

 

 

1. Arrogant forummers who believe they know more than lots of people on the forum about other teams, leagues, players which isn't to do with Chelsea. (which is the annoying thing)

 

I never said I knew more than everybody; I said the it was annoying that many people confidently comment on other players when they don't know anything about. I feel you'll just repeat the same thing so to give examples: for other players - continued nonsense about Sterling being a speed merchant, Arsenal's defence being sh*t, KDB not being good enough for chelsea, Neymar not being on the level of Hazard,  Messi not being anywhere near as good if he didn't have the Barcelona midfield behind him, a lot of general BS about this player not being good when it's clear they've never watched any of them) Other leagues (like players performances meaning little in the Bundesliga or Serie A because it's apparently a bad league, complaints about even Spanish players not being able to adapt the physicality of this league or some crap like that) or other teams (managers, underrating other teams in general). All valid which fuel this 'unholy confession.'

 

I guess the consistently good posts would piss some people off, but I like controversy

 

 

What? YOU said, "two seasons ago". We're in agreement.

 

 

Agreement of what? Why did you say two seasons ago was a key point? 

 

 

Edited August 7, 201510 yr by MANoWAR

Seems to be getting a tad feisty in this thread. Take it outside!

Well at least we have the real Abramovich..

 

Aspi runs about a lot, and makes the occasional tackle. But he is stil sub-par when it comes to Cole. Have that.

Aspi runs about a lot, and makes the occasional tackle. But he is stil sub-par when it comes to Cole. Have that.

Cheryl?

Aspi runs about a lot, and makes the occasional tackle. But he is stil sub-par when it comes to Cole. Have that.

Joe?

Aspi runs about a lot, and makes the occasional tackle. But he is stil sub-par when it comes to Cole. Have that.

 

Cole is probably the most talented LB of the premier league era. I say that even though I have a massive bias towards Patrice Evra. I don't think there are any LBs out there at the minute who are as good as Cole was in those years for you, including Alaba and Jordi Alba. 

Edited August 7, 201510 yr by Brixtac

Cole is probably the most talented LB of the premier league era. I say that even though I have a massive bias towards Patrice Evra. I don't think there are any LBs out there at the minute who are as good as Cole was in those years for you, including Alaba and Jordi Alba.

Couldn't stand Evra's demenor....horrible.

Couldn't stand Evra's demenor....horrible.

 

I'm interested to know what you mean by that. I guess it is different from the outside, but as a United fan, he is probably (alongside) Rafael, my favourite player to play for us.

 

He was madly passionate about the team, the wider club and the fans. You can also tell that he was a joker and was loved by everyone in the club. Really was a fan favourite and you can't really hold the whole Suarez - Evra debacle against him, as (as far as we know) he was the victim.

Edited August 7, 201510 yr by Brixtac

Couldn't stand Evra's demenor....horrible.

I thought Evra was a decent guy, he changed a bit after the Suarez incident though. Maybe taking over as captain made him slightly big headed. 

 

 

Aspi runs about a lot, and makes the occasional tackle. But he is stil sub-par when it comes to Cole. Have that.

Good to know Azpi is a right back then. 

I'm interested to know what you mean by that. I guess it is different from the outside, but as a United fan, he is probably (alongside) Rafael, my favourite player to play for us.

 

He was madly passionate about the team, the wider club and the fans. You can also tell that he was a joker and was loved by everyone in the club. Really was a fan favourite and you can't really hold the whole Suarez - Evra debacle against him, as (as far as we know) he was the victim.

From where I've been sitting over the years and based on performances I've seen (admittedly not as many as I'm sure you have) I've found him to be a pretty nasty player. A lot of instances of rough play and little snide off the ball incidents. Perhaps I'm not remember the same player as you guys are. Just always seemed a snide type to me.

From where I've been sitting over the years and based on performances I've seen (admittedly not as many as I'm sure you have) I've found him to be a pretty nasty player. A lot of instances of rough play and little snide off the ball incidents. Perhaps I'm not remember the same player as you guys are. Just always seemed a snide type to me.

Evra and Cole have similar reputations I guess. Loved by their own fans, hated by all others. Both undoubtedly talented though. 

Agreement of what? Why did you say two seasons ago was a key point?

Sterling was better two seasons ago, but he no longer is

The Fabregas assist in the Arsenal game last season, possibly the pass of the season.

Perhaps but what about the other games where he was invisible for most of it

Perhaps but what about the other games where he was invisible for most of it

The QPR game was a big game, it was a must win and he scored the winner. You do make a good point though, he does disappear a bit in big games.

That may have something to do with the way we play in those games. When we decide to concede majority of possession to the opposition, that doesn't really suit Fabregas' game.

f**k me people missing about Fabregas now? The assists he gave the team practically won us the title. Do he didn't do much in the big games, so what! End of the day big games are usually won or lost by moments with the star players been neutralised anyway.

I hate people posting controversial opinions in a thread designed for controversial opinions!

Great response there pal. Basically "I don't know how to argue back, so I'll just reference pundits in hope that they've said something that disagrees with any of the points". Then the obligatory nonsense comment just to top it off! 

 

Your point on pundits is absolutely laughable. The opinion of the pundits invalidate or take priority the opinions of the fans or 'non-paid' writers, clearly people take all the pundits like  Collymore et al words as a gospel, no matter who they are. Oh no wait, they don't. Seems a pattern than only G Neville or Jamie Carragher (barely?) have good things to say.

 

if they're so plentiful, then provide a link to a well-respected writer then who's produced a good detailed report on comparing Sterling with Hazard or Guardiola with Mourinho then (with a unanimous agreement in favourite of both latters, since my post is clearly nonsense!). 

 

Alternatively, feel free to argue against the post from your personal point of view :-). I can't really see anything wrong with I've said personally, but hey. 

 

Considering that you referred to virtually every user of this website other than you as misinformed, i'd say the onus of proof is on you to back up your supposed gospel statements.

 

That being said I don't have to look far and wide to find justification of why your well-informed opinions are actually baseless bullsh*t, how about the fact that Eden Hazard was voted by his peers as the PFA Young Player of the Year in the season where Sterling supposedly played better. And who was one of the nominees that he beat to that award? You guessed it, Raheem Sterling.

 

If my memory serves me correctly Hazard, unlike Sterling, was also nominated for the PFA player of the year that season.

 

But hey, I don't know how to argue back and you know better than the players themselves!

Edited August 8, 201510 yr by Jonty

I hate people posting controversial opinions in a thread designed for controversial opinions!

Controversial opinions are fine but talking absolute sh*t isn't.

I think you need to google the exact definition of opinion.