People saying he is not good enough yet he has had a far more productive season than Hazard.

Those same people seem happy enough to give Hazard a second chance next season but Pedro is deemed not good enough?

Fickle eh...

People saying he is not good enough yet he has had a far more productive season than Hazard.

Those same people seem happy enough to give Hazard a second chance next season but Pedro is deemed not good enough?

Fickle eh...

 

Come on, Hazard has had a poor season (reasons for that have been much-debated!) but we all know, when in form, like last night, against Spurs and practically whole of last season, he is World Class. Pedro doesn't even come close. We saw the difference between Pedro & Hazard in the two halves of the Spurs game.

Pedro is good but he will never be a match-winner like Hazard.

Come on, Hazard has had a poor season (reasons for that have been much-debated!) but we all know, when in form, like last night, against Spurs and practically whole of last season, he is World Class. Pedro doesn't even come close. We saw the difference between Pedro & Hazard in the two halves of the Spurs game.

Pedro is good but he will never be a match-winner like Hazard.

We don't need him to be 'world class'.

He's our second best attacking midfielder why should he be sold? Everyone including Hazard has had a pants season.

Pedro has shown his class plenty of times, he doesn't need to be better than Hazard although he has been more often than not this season.

If guys like Willian are deemed good enough then Pedro is too.

Personally I felt Pedro played well against Spurs he was tearing Walker apart. Hazard scored a goal so does that automatically mean he played better?

We don't need him to be 'world class'.

He's our second best attacking midfielder why should he be sold? Everyone including Hazard has had a pants season.

Pedro has shown his class plenty of times, he doesn't need to be better than Hazard although he has been more often than not this season.

If guys like Willian are deemed good enough then Pedro is too.

 

It was just the way you were using the Pedro / Hazard comparison when Hazard is in a different class to Pedro.

 

But fair point, at times he has been decent and I can't argue re Willian. That said, I do like the look of young Kenedy and would have liked to see him starting more ahead of both Willian & Pedro for the last couple of months with nothing really to play for.

Personally I felt Pedro played well against Spurs he was tearing Walker apart. Hazard scored a goal so does that automatically mean he played better?

 

We must have watched different games Bobby. Bar one decent turn where Walker took him out with a foul, I hardly noticed Pedro on the pitch.

 

Hazard on the other hand had Spurs on the back-foot all the time he was on. It wasn't just the wonder-goal - he was widely judged as MOTM on just that 45 minutes.

It was just the way you were using the Pedro / Hazard comparison when Hazard is in a different class to Pedro.

But fair point, at times he has been decent and I can't argue re Willian. That said, I do like the look of young Kenedy and would have liked to see him starting more ahead of both Willian & Pedro for the last couple of months with nothing really to play for.

I wasn't meaning to compare their ability when both at it as it's quite clear Hazard is on another level to anyone else we have when on song.

Pedro has a great pedigree and is capable of scoring goals and setting them up. We have seen glimpses this season but like it has been for so many of the players there is just no consistency there like it was when he was in Spain.

Next season will be the real test, I do think he's better than the likes of Oscar and Willian so if I was looking for any attacking mids to leave it would be Oscar before anyone.

I think when Cesc, Pedro, Hazard and Costa are all on song we will be hard to stop attacking wise, it's just a shame this season it tends to be 1 or 2 players playing at their best at a time.

We must have watched different games Bobby. Bar one decent turn where Walker took him out with a foul, I hardly noticed Pedro on the pitch.

Hazard on the other hand had Spurs on the back-foot all the time he was on. It wasn't just the wonder-goal - he was widely judged as MOTM on just that 45 minutes.

First half Pedro did him many times, didn't he go off with a knock aswell?

Hazard played well aswell but like I say he scored a goal which made him stand out more IMO. But football works like that.

Think he struggles in games where the ref is feeling lenient with the calls

People saying he is not good enough yet he has had a far more productive season than Hazard.

Those same people seem happy enough to give Hazard a second chance next season but Pedro is deemed not good enough?

Fickle eh...

Wait a second here before calling people "Fickle".

 

If people are willing to give one of the best players in the world a chance after such a terrible season where he did not score for the first 32 games, then how can they be called "FICKLE". Is not that the definition of not being fickle?

Lanzini has a better return than Hazard, hell, even Pato has a better goal to minute ratio, and I am sure Most/Any PL/Championship players would have better returns than Hazard this season, so by your definition, lets buy them all and let them play for CFC, right?

 

People are willing to give Hazard an oppurtunity because, well, he is hazard!!! EDEN BLOODY HAZARD. One of the best players in the world. A player who showed yesterday what he can do when he wants to do it. Does he have his faults, you bet he does. But this is a risk that me and 99% of chelsea fans are willing to take of showing faith in Hazard.

 

Meanwhile, a lot of fans want pedro out, or in all honesty wont care if he stays or leaves because, most of us (unlike some) know for a fact that Pedro wont make a difference to us. It will be Hazard and Willian and Costa and a couple more CMs and CBs who will decide our PL fate next season. Pedro can sure play his part by scoring tap-ins against the likes of newcastle, villa - oh wait, they are relegated. If we were playing the teams of such quality every weekend, I would gladly have taken Pedro as a starter but unfortunately we are not. We have to play the likes of spurs and pools and Whu and stoke and swansea level of teams against each of whom pedro was at best "average" and I am being kind here.

 

To summarize, people are definitely not being FICKLE. If people were being FICKLE then we would have asked pedro to stay and hazard to be sold. People are being realistic. People have seen Pedro flopping around the pitch doing his headless chicken act for a year now. Most of us can see Pedro's level for exactly what it is. Hopefully he is sold to some mid table PL team, because believe me, he is not getting a starting role in any top team (which is the reason he left barca since he wanted to be a starter, Lets pray that Conte does not give him a starting role otherwise we are in deep deep trouble).

Edited May 12, 201610 yr by didierforever

Who is most fans that want Pedro out?

Care to back that up with any meaningful findings because you don't equate to most fans buddy

Who is most fans that want Pedro out?

Care to back that up with any meaningful findings because you don't equate to most fans buddy

Just checked the first page of "Ideal 25 man squad for next season?"

JJP - Yes

PedroMendez - No

Magicchat - Yes (not in his 1st team though)

Pacquio - Has written Pedro/Cavani/Willian

Dorset - No

Ballack & Blu - Not in his first team (squad not provided)

Sexyfootball - Yes

 

So its 3 Yes, 3 Nos and a Maybe.

You can check it for yourself.

So yes, I am not "most people". "Most people" is quite straight forward. A lot of people dont want Pedro here next season and even if they do, NOTHING more than a squad player.

 

I like Pedro ,he's more direct than most of our attacking players.

Lets pray that Conte does not give him a starting role otherwise we are in deep deep trouble).

 

We're in deep trouble? Really? If we take a chance on an unproven Musonda, I couldn't agree more

 

#prayforpedro 

We're in deep trouble? Really? If we take a chance on an unproven Musonda, I couldn't agree more

 

#prayforpedro 

Unproven Musonda may surprise a lot of people just like Rashford, Alli, Kane, Coman, Douglas COsta, Saul Niguez etc etc. But with Pedro we know exactly what we are going to get and that is Mediocrity.

I like him and his stupid moustache.

 

His running motion is up there with the funniest i've seen, keep him for that reason.

Edited May 12, 201610 yr by JMaher94

I quite like watching Pedro, at least there is a 'buzz' about him when he has the ball.

He reminds me a bit when you see the old clips from The Big Match of a Jack Russell that suddenly gets on to the pitch and runs around like mad chasing after the ball and, oh, how we all laugh at that cheeky little chappy buzzing around.

 

Bless

Unproven Musonda may surprise a lot of people just like Rashford, Alli, Kane, Coman, Douglas COsta, Saul Niguez etc etc. But with Pedro we know exactly what we are going to get and that is Mediocrity.

Unproven Musonda may also not surprise people.

I really can't agree that Pedro is mediocre at all.

Unproven Musonda may also not surprise people.

I really can't agree that Pedro is mediocre at all.

There is a definite risk. No denying that. But the I dont think there would be much loss but massive returns. If musonda (who without a shred of doubt is one of the best talents and has the potential to be a world class player) does not have a good season then we wont lose much. In case he does have a good season and then reaches his true potential, then we have a 20 year old player who has the potential to match hazard. The returns are multifolds, and definitely a risk i would take.

 

Pedro has scored 7 goals this season, If you remove ALL his goals, we drop 1 point against WBA, thats it. That is his goal return. 1 against bournemouth in 4-1 win, 2 against newcastle in a 5-1 win, 1 against sundeland in a 3-1 win, 2 against villa in a 4-0 win. Honestly, the quality of opposition against whom he has scored should tell the story itself. If this does not show how poor/average/mediocre he has been, then what does? 

Its like torres scoring a hat-trick against QPR and doing jack-sh*t in the next 5 matches and still having a "good return" of 3 goals in 6 games. 

People can use the same argument for Hazard's goal return, but hazard is an exception. Why? well he has shown why he should be treated like an exception in the last 4/5 games. He is a world class player. Probabaly our only world class player. He had an awful season, Pedro did not have an awful season. He had a normal season, and thats what is the key thing. Having pedro here next season is settling, settling for average players who can "do a job", rather than trying to take a risk with one of the best young talents in the world.

Pedro has literally shown NOTHING to be granted a spot in the squad. Cuadrado has done more, much much more. If we can give Pedro 2727 minutes of football then why are we judging cuadrado in 300 minutes of football despite coming in the january window when a lot of players need time to acclimitize. 

This does not mean then I want Cuadrado here next season. I dont. No Cuadrado, No pedro. We have willian and Hazard who are head and shoulders above them in terms of quality (yes, pedro is our most direct player, but that means nothing when he directly keeps on giving the ball to the opposition). We need 2 squad players who can fill in and play domestic cups (since there is not european football). I would take my gamble with Musonda and Kenedy as our wingers since I cant seem to find a better moment to blood them in.

Edited May 13, 201610 yr by didierforever

How has he showed nothing? You say yourself he's scored 7 goals. How is that nothing?

Yet people think Cuadadro should be brought back who literally showed sod all in his time here.

There is a definite risk. No denying that. But the I dont think there would be much loss but massive returns. If musonda (who without a shred of doubt is one of the best talents and has the potential to be a world class player) does not have a good season then we wont lose much. In case he does have a good season and then reaches his true potential, then we have a 20 year old player who has the potential to match hazard. The returns are multifolds, and definitely a risk i would take.

 

Pedro has scored 7 goals this season, If you remove ALL his goals, we drop 1 point against WBA, thats it. That is his goal return. 1 against bournemouth in 4-1 win, 2 against newcastle in a 5-1 win, 1 against sundeland in a 3-1 win, 2 against villa in a 4-0 win. Honestly, the quality of opposition against whom he has scored should tell the story itself. If this does not show how poor/average/mediocre he has been, then what does? 

Its like torres scoring a hat-trick against QPR and doing jack-sh*t in the next 5 matches and still having a "good return" of 3 goals in 6 games. 

People can use the same argument for Hazard's goal return, but hazard is an exception. Why? well he has shown why he should be treated like an exception in the last 4/5 games. He is a world class player. Probabaly our only world class player. He had an awful season, Pedro did not have an awful season. He had a normal season, and thats what is the key thing. Having pedro here next season is settling, settling for average players who can "do a job", rather than trying to take a risk with one of the best young talents in the world.

Pedro has literally shown NOTHING to be granted a spot in the squad. Cuadrado has done more, much much more. If we can give Pedro 2727 minutes of football then why are we judging cuadrado in 300 minutes of football despite coming in the january window when a lot of players need time to acclimitize. 

This does not mean then I want Cuadrado here next season. I dont. No Cuadrado, No pedro. We have willian and Hazard who are head and shoulders above them in terms of quality (yes, pedro is our most direct player, but that means nothing when he directly keeps on giving the ball to the opposition). We need 2 squad players who can fill in and play domestic cups (since there is not european football). I would take my gamble with Musonda and Kenedy as our wingers since I cant seem to find a better moment to blood them in.

We actually drop 2 points without Pedro for the WBA game.

He scored the first against Bournemouth to set the tone.. A team who beat us at home.

His first against Newcastle was inside 10 minutes, also setting the tone against a team we drew with earlier in the season.

A goal against Sunderland, who just beat us.

You may laugh at the quality of opposition, but we weren't so far off those other teams this year with the exception of Villa.

 

 

 

To summarize, people are definitely not being FICKLE. If people were being FICKLE then we would have asked pedro to stay and hazard to be sold. People are being realistic. People have seen Pedro flopping around the pitch doing his headless chicken act for a year now. Most of us can see Pedro's level for exactly what it is. Hopefully he is sold to some mid table PL team, because believe me, he is not getting a starting role in any top team (which is the reason he left barca since he wanted to be a starter, Lets pray that Conte does not give him a starting role otherwise we are in deep deep trouble).

 

Why are you referring to "people" as if you speak for anyone other than yourself?

 

For the record I don't agree with any of the above, in fact, I think it's  hyperbolic dribble,  so you are certainly not speaking on my behalf. 

We actually drop 2 points without Pedro for the WBA game.

He scored the first against Bournemouth to set the tone.. A team who beat us at home.

His first against Newcastle was inside 10 minutes, also setting the tone against a team we drew with earlier in the season.

A goal against Sunderland, who just beat us.

You may laugh at the quality of opposition, but we weren't so far off those other teams this year with the exception of Villa.

Fair enough on the WBA one. small miscalculation. 

You do realize that if not pedro, we would have had another player on the pitch. We wont have been playing with 10 men. Replace pedro with cuadrado/moses/salah (who in all honesty was not that bad for his half season here) and the minimum you expect is the same return, if not more. Moses was one of our best players in the europa league but widely assumed to be "not good enough". 

 

That is my point mate. We were not far off. Do we want another year of that? It would not have taken much for pedro to be a star in a team languishing in 17th place, a point ahead of relegation, yet he was nothing more than another player who was not good enough this year. And thats his level. He has looked perfectly fine against the aforementioned relegation candidates. While looking like a fish out of water against the top half of the table teams. That is not down to a new team, but simply quality. 

Compare it to some of the other "flops" this season:

Costa: had a good 2nd half of the season

Cesc: had a good 2nd half of the season

Hazard: was dreadful all season except for the last 5 games where he laid into spurs and pool. 

etc etc

So while these players had an average seasons too, they did show their quality so that we can trust them in the future. pedro on the other hand, has shown nothing of the sort.

Edited May 13, 201610 yr by didierforever

Why are you referring to "people" as if you speak for anyone other than yourself?

 

For the record I don't agree with any of the above, in fact, I think it's  hyperbolic dribble,  so you are certainly not speaking on my behalf. 

"People saying he is not good enough yet he has had a far more productive season than Hazard.

Those same people seem happy enough to give Hazard a second chance next season but Pedro is deemed not good enough?

Fickle eh... "

http://www.theshedend.com/topic/28389-official-pedro-to-chelsea/?p=1180440

 

Well, since the guy who posted used "people" I simply carried ahead the theme. 

"hyperbolic drivel". LOL. sure.