Our scouting department must have been heavily hung-over when looking at this boy.

Hopefully we do what we did to Papy and sell him off permanently!

He truly stinks. Awful in the Copa America and awful against Werder. Much rather have Papy than him.

He truly stinks. Awful in the Copa America and awful against Werder. Much rather have Papy than him.

Officially joined Frankfurt on loan for the season.

With Baba having also been allowed to leave on loan surely this means a defensive signing (or two) are close.

Loan move confirmed by the club.

 

http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest-news/2016/08/frankfurt-switch-for-hector.html?extcmp=SOCIA_TW_ENG_TRANSFERS

I can't be the only one that's 'liked' the official Chelsea page on Facebook? The comments are f**king ridiculous.

It's actually 100x worse than some of the stuff on here.

People talking about us shipping out potential world class talent like... HECTOR?!

I actually can't help but respond to so many people who just talk pish.

It was a mistake signing him & Papy in the first place because we made a right mess of the Stones saga.

Nonetheless, I wish the lad the best & hopefully he can get himself a permanent move somewhere where he'll get a game.

I can't be the only one that's 'liked' the official Chelsea page on Facebook? The comments are f**king ridiculous.

It's actually 100x worse than some of the stuff on here.

They do talk a load of tripe most can barely speak a word of english too.

Too much negativity towards our transfer-dealings. All in all I think the club is doing a good job in a very difficult area. Hector was a try. Wasn't a good try, move on.

Too much negativity towards our transfer-dealings. All in all I think the club is doing a good job in a very difficult area. Hector was a try. Wasn't a good try, move on.

Totally agree. The club are after value for money which is harder to find than a good CB these days. We could easily throw £50mil here, £100mil there but we're choosing not to.

Chelsea fans shouldn't confuse this with what Arsenal do, whereby Wenger blindly thinks he has the greatest squad in the league and to venture into the market would somehow be seen as weakness.

We are biding our time and trying to find the best recruits that fit our criteria. A lot of fans won't like this but it's part of who we are now. I think we're trying to learn from previous mistakes

People actually trying to defend Papy and Hector's signings. 

Also, its weird that people are saying we are looking value for money when we were willing to buy Stones for 40mil. WE FAILED.

As simple as that. We failed to buy Stones from EVERTON. Board's fault and then they tried doing something sneaky and failed Miserably.

Atleast in my opinion its a clear case.

 

Another example is kalidou koulibaly who we are willing to spend a fortune on. So saying that the board is going for value for money is just wrong. The board just tried to fill a massive moon sized round hole with a 5cm edged square peg. And the result is for everyone to see - Last season. 

People actually trying to defend Papy and Hector's signings.

Also, its weird that people are saying we are looking value for money when we were willing to buy Stones for 40mil. WE FAILED.

As simple as that. We failed to buy Stones from EVERTON. Board's fault and then they tried doing something sneaky and failed Miserably.

Atleast in my opinion its a clear case.

Another example is kalidou koulibaly who we are willing to spend a fortune on. So saying that the board is going for value for money is just wrong. The board just tried to fill a massive moon sized round hole with a 5cm edged square peg. And the result is for everyone to see - Last season.

Papy was an emergency signing because the Stones deal didn't meterialise, we got him dirt cheap just incase of injuries, turned out we didn't need him and made a £6m profit, what the hell is the problem? He's a lot more proven than Kalas who for some bewildering reason half our fanbase want to be recalled.

I'd rather fail trying for the likes of Stones and Kalidou then just settle for an average player from the get go.

I never understood why people had a specific problem with Hector's signing. He's constantly included in the list of players signed for Jose last season in error but to me he was always one of those signings that had nothing to do with the first team (in the short term). No one includes pasalic or any of the others in that list so I'm not sure why he gets lumped in with our first team purchases.

Is it purely because he's a defender and it was done on the final day of the window ?

I never understood why people had a specific problem with Hector's signing. He's constantly included in the list of players signed for Jose last season in error but to me he was always one of those signings that had nothing to do with the first team (in the short term). No one includes pasalic or any of the others in that list so I'm not sure why he gets lumped in with our first team purchases.

Is it purely because he's a defender and it was done on the final day of the window ?

 

I think it's because Michael Hector is 24. It's more understandable when we're signing youngsters to go out on loan and challenge in a few years. Someone that age should be challenging already. 

Papy was an emergency signing because the Stones deal didn't meterialise, we got him dirt cheap just incase of injuries, turned out we didn't need him and made a £6m profit, what the hell is the problem? He's a lot more proven than Kalas who for some bewildering reason half our fanbase want to be recalled.

I'd rather fail trying for the likes of Stones and Kalidou then just settle for an average player from the get go.

An emergency signing of Papy? Why? what was the need. Like you said, it was just in case, right? Basically just for NUMBERS (which i doubt since we ended up loaning him out for half a season so how was he a fail-safe buy).

Also, why would we want a fail-safe buy when we wanted a first teamer, makes no sense to me.

If it was only for making up the numbers then I would have wanted Kalas too. Also people just subtract the transfer in fee and transfer out fee. Sorry, but what about the wages, the agent fee etc etc. 

I agree for you that we should be looking at Kalidou (stones is a bang average player who will be worse than luiz) but if we dont get them, I want us to shove money down some club's throat and get a good replacement instead of bang average relegation fodder players who add nothing of substance to the squad whatsoever.

To be honest, at this point I'd kill to have David Luiz back here. He was decent, a bit erratic at times, but a good tackler and good at playing the ball, plus he had a lot of character and was a good leader on the pitch, a passionate player. That's not to say I'm not happy we sold him for that crazy money, but given our dearth of centre halves it would be nice to have another seasoned international centre back

I never understood why people had a specific problem with Hector's signing. He's constantly included in the list of players signed for Jose last season in error but to me he was always one of those signings that had nothing to do with the first team (in the short term). No one includes pasalic or any of the others in that list so I'm not sure why he gets lumped in with our first team purchases.

Is it purely because he's a defender and it was done on the final day of the window ?

 

It was just a bit of an odd signing all round I think. 

 

He was 23 when we signed him so he wasn't really one for the future and I can't speak for anyone else but personally I just couldn't understand why we were bothering to sign someone who clearly had no future at Chelsea and wasn't going to make us any profit selling him on. 

 

Especially as he was a defender and we found ourselves floundering around at the end of the window desperate for improvements in the first team. 

I thought we picked him for next to nothing as he was in the last year of his Reading contract and on the usual poor Championship wages?

Was £4 million

It was just a bit of an odd signing all round I think. 

 

He was 23 when we signed him so he wasn't really one for the future and I can't speak for anyone else but personally I just couldn't understand why we were bothering to sign someone who clearly had no future at Chelsea and wasn't going to make us any profit selling him on. 

 

Especially as he was a defender and we found ourselves floundering around at the end of the window desperate for improvements in the first team. 

I agree that it was an odd signing- we don't know what we'll get back from it (I assume it is some agent related favour), but ultimately he wasn't signed for the first team. I think including his name in criticism of our transfer work last summer is misleading.

 

no-one can seriously or honestly suggest that jose wanted stones and the club bought him hector IMO. those two facts plainly have no relationship to one another and I think people using that line are being dishonest or a bit, er, silly.

 

(not saying that we did good work last summer, mind)

I agree that it was an odd signing- we don't know what we'll get back from it (I assume it is some agent related favour), but ultimately he wasn't signed for the first team. I think including his name in criticism of our transfer work last summer is misleading.

 

no-one can seriously or honestly suggest that jose wanted stones and the club bought him hector IMO. those two facts plainly have no relationship to one another and I think people using that line are being dishonest or a bit, er, silly.

 

(not saying that we did good work last summer, mind)

 

It's a cumulative thing for me. I don't feel like we've conducted our business very well for a couple of years now. 

 

Last summer's failure to strengthen the first team squad was poor and this year I think we've been too slow with securing targets for crucial positions (assuming there are more signings to come of course). 

 

Throw on top the loan army which I now feel is a wasted resource. When it was starting off we had the likes of Lukaku, KDB, Courtois in the loan ranks and you could see where we were trying to go with it. 

 

Last few years we've the quality of players has declined and it's also being used as dumping ground for failed signings (Baba, Salah, Cuadrado). 

 

So although Hector wasn't signed as an alternative to Stones I do see it as part of a wider issue to do with our player recruitment. The issue for me being that I can't see the common goal anymore and would prefer that we stopped signing mediocre talents especially when the first team squad requires quite a bit of work. 

An emergency signing of Papy? Why? what was the need. Like you said, it was just in case, right? Basically just for NUMBERS (which i doubt since we ended up loaning him out for half a season so how was he a fail-safe buy).

Also, why would we want a fail-safe buy when we wanted a first teamer, makes no sense to me.

If it was only for making up the numbers then I would have wanted Kalas too. Also people just subtract the transfer in fee and transfer out fee. Sorry, but what about the wages, the agent fee etc etc. 

I agree for you that we should be looking at Kalidou (stones is a bang average player who will be worse than luiz) but if we dont get them, I want us to shove money down some club's throat and get a good replacement instead of bang average relegation fodder players who add nothing of substance to the squad whatsoever.

 

Because after the failed Stones pursuit we had Cahill, Terry and Zouma with a lot of games on the horizon, injury to two of them and we were short and throwing midfielders or fullbacks in centre half, we signed Papy for emergency depth, when January came, we signed a new defender and he was gone, then this summer we made a £6m profit. What wages was he on? I bet the wages we paid him were as good as covered in the loan fee Werder gave us. Also Kalas was settled on loan by then and he's hardly any better, worth mentioning he failed in a Bundesliga loan and Papy didn't.

 

I disagree about Stones, he was poor last season but was playing under Roberto Martinez, put prime Maldini under him and he would look a shadow of himself, he will become a great defender under Pep and the only reason i'm not green with envy is because we have Christensen returning next season.

Because after the failed Stones pursuit we had Cahill, Terry and Zouma with a lot of games on the horizon, injury to two of them and we were short and throwing midfielders or fullbacks in centre half, we signed Papy for emergency depth, when January came, we signed a new defender and he was gone, then this summer we made a £6m profit. What wages was he on? I bet the wages we paid him were as good as covered in the loan fee Werder gave us. Also Kalas was settled on loan by then and he's hardly any better, worth mentioning he failed in a Bundesliga loan and Papy didn't.

 

I disagree about Stones, he was poor last season but was playing under Roberto Martinez, put prime Maldini under him and he would look a shadow of himself, he will become a great defender under Pep and the only reason i'm not green with envy is because we have Christensen returning next season.

Why would werder Bremen give us a loan fee? That would be the worst decision to ever be made.

And we got "another" sh*t defender in miazga for 2/3mil pounds. So it was not "free". All of these add up.

 

There is one thing to be playing under martinez and totally another to be playing sh*t. Martinez sets his team up in such a way that the defence will be left open. Even then Stones was awful. Infact even the goal that city conceded against sunderland on saturday, Stones' positioning was horrendous. With 2 midfielders already around the sunderland player, he leaves defoe totally free to go and try to get the ball back only to be left in a no man's land. Honestly, Stones makes Luiz look like Beckenbeauer.

 

As for Kalas, I am guessing breaking the contract would have been cheaper than buying a 3mil rated papy. Also, this is where we differ. I would rather have tomori/jake clarke salter play instead of buying a bang average player like Papy who never had a future at the club. Mind you, a 27 year old Papy, not even a player who was 22/23 and could be a late bloomer. Just because the club were able to make a 6mil pound "profit"  on his fee makes this a good transfer? What about the amount of money we have lost due to CL/PL position of 10th? How much revenue did we lose there. If only the club had actually bought a good player than looking to fill up space with the likes of Papy.

Why would werder Bremen give us a loan fee? That would be the worst decision to ever be made.

And we got "another" sh*t defender in miazga for 2/3mil pounds. So it was not "free". All of these add up.

He was Werder Bremen's best player when he was there and they desperately needed a defender with out him they would have been relegated or at minimum in the relegation play off, this is precisely the reason they paid a fee for him and it most likely covered the 3 months or whatever he was here so 6m profit in a year with little to no risk is pretty damn good business isn't it, I also think Bremen are mighty happy they made the decision to loan him. 

(Transfermarkt quote the fee as £340k and that will be on top of wages covered)

He was Werder Bremen's best player when he was there and they desperately needed a defender with out him they would have been relegated or at minimum in the relegation play off, this is precisely the reason they paid a fee for him and it most likely covered the 3 months or whatever he was here so 6m profit in a year with little to no risk is pretty damn good business isn't it, I also think Bremen are mighty happy they made the decision to loan him. 

(Transfermarkt quote the fee as £340k and that will be on top of wages covered)

And what about the revenue cost that we lost since the board were busy "earning" a 6mil profit on a nothing player, meanwhile we have lost MILLIONS on CL and PL money. Seems it was not a good business to me.