37 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Hi Yorkey, do you mind quoting me next time as i almost missed this. I posted this video as this is the match in which everyone was getting on his back for. I think you should go and watch it again.

00:22 - Holds off the Utd centre back, retains possession and lays off the CM to break starting an attack.

00:26 - Quick pass out wide to keep Everton in possession.

00:28 - Same as first point, holds off CB, lays off to team mate to spark attack. 

00:33 - Average first touch yet still gets the pass off.

00:36 - Does well to turn the defender and leave him for dead, should have cut the ball back sooner.

00:49 - Wins the header and flicks on to team mates. 

00:55 - Runs the channel well, should have cut it back instead of shooting. Team mates were hardly busting a gut to give him an option though.

1:19 - 1:28 - Holds up play whilst everton can get forward and lays off passes.

1:29 - Poor vision, should have looked up and passed.

1:46 - Holds off the defender and wins a foul.

1:48 - Very sloppy.

1:55 - Prime example off being on his own and no other option, look at Barkley just jogging up.

2:05 - Good hold up play.

2:19 - Draws the foul.

2:25 - Poor touch. 

2:30 - Very dangerous ball into the box, no one gambling. 

2:39 - Poor touch. 

2:41 - Another great ball into the box, again no team mates gambling. 

2:48 - Wins the flick on. 

2:54 - Holds off defender, keeps Everton in possession. 

3:04 - Holds Utd defenders off until someone can come and support and lays off the pass.

3:12 - Wins the first ball against 2 defenders, not much to do there.

3:16 - Spins defender and breaks. Once again everton player jogging at back post not offering a square ball. 

3:36 - Loses ball, looks knackered. 

3:43 - Wins knock on again, no everton player around supporting for the second ball. Are you seeing a recurring theme here yet??

3:47 - Beats defender to ball and plays in team mate.

 

As i said, i wasn't using this clip to claim he is brilliant. People were slating him after this game saying he was shocking, analyse it a bit further and he wasn't. 

 

If you would like me to break down another match for you i would be perfectly happy to do so pal. Possibly the game against Chelsea when he made Cahill look like a league 2 player?

I think possibly we see things differently, mate.  I'll have a look through and,if I agree with you, I'm happy to put my hand up.  He still ain't good enough for Chelsea, though.

Back in a minute.

@RIP MourinhoBack - This is going to take longer than I thought.  You may have a point or two there, but mostly I disagree with a lot of your points, and have noticed that you were very selective in the points you mentioned.  Might be tomorrow now.

On 4/10/2017 at 07:22, icecoolguy22 said:

Right now we are seeing the best of Lukaku and the worst of Costa, maybe a bit optimistic to believe Lukaku could replace Costa next season. He's a better dribbler and dangerous when he has room to move, probably won't get that much freedom playing for us. Buying Lukaku back is fine with me, but we need another option, not Batyshuyi as the second striker.

 

Question is, will he complement Hazard?

1 hour ago, Tibbers said:

Question is, will he complement Hazard?

And a good question it is too. Something I've been thinking about and I don't really think either costa or lukaku really complement Hazard or Pedro. Sanchez would be the best option imo.

3 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

I think possibly we see things differently, mate.  I'll have a look through and,if I agree with you, I'm happy to put my hand up.  He still ain't good enough for Chelsea, though.

Back in a minute.

It is one thing for people to say he might struggle leading the line but how the hell is he not good enough for us? He constantly gets 20 plus goals a season and is on course to win the top goalscorer this season. Only 23. I watch him every week and he has improved his hold up play significantly. Scored headers, has become a very good dribbler as well. Just look at some of the variety of his goals this season. Been brilliant to watch. He will very soon come the complete striker. He may not have the technical ability of an Ibra, which neither Costa does but he has everything else and is still only 23, let me repeat 23!! Even if he does struggle at us, he for sure in long run will be a massive hit and one of the best strikers in Europe. One thing I don't want to see is his go to another English club and be leading their line for the foreseeable decade.

Lukaku being home grown is a bonus too. 

2 hours ago, goose said:

And a good question it is too. Something I've been thinking about and I don't really think either costa or lukaku really complement Hazard or Pedro. Sanchez would be the best option imo.

Belotti is a better fit as well. He has much better workrate and technique/passing to go with the strength and pace. Lukaku has made 0 interceptions in the last two seasons and very few tackles. We would be far less likely to force mistakes high up the pitch with Lukaku as our striker, wich is a very effective way of scoring goals.

13 hours ago, STATS said:

It is one thing for people to say he might struggle leading the line but how the hell is he not good enough for us? He constantly gets 20 plus goals a season and is on course to win the top goalscorer this season. Only 23. I watch him every week and he has improved his hold up play significantly. Scored headers, has become a very good dribbler as well. Just look at some of the variety of his goals this season. Been brilliant to watch. He will very soon come the complete striker. He may not have the technical ability of an Ibra, which neither Costa does but he has everything else and is still only 23, let me repeat 23!! Even if he does struggle at us, he for sure in long run will be a massive hit and one of the best strikers in Europe. One thing I don't want to see is his go to another English club and be leading their line for the foreseeable decade.

Apart from a goal in each of the Man City games and one against the Spuds, all the rest have been against teams outside of the top 7 and mostly against bottom half teams and relegation strugglers, which you would expect.  Internationally, he bangs them in against the mighty Estonia, world beaters Greece and the Brazil of the Mediterranean, Cyprus.

You're right, top top talent, just made for the big games and ideal to lead the line for a Chelsea team looking to make a statement in the Premiership AND the Champions League next season.  Wouldn't he be even better if we could buy back KDB and Mata as well?  And Robben! 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he is cack and the Kezman de nos jours, but seems to have found his level, and that level is fighting for Europa league places with West Brom and Arsenal.  We need better, we need a world-class striker and Lukaku ain't that.  Neither is Costa, by the way, but he is streets ahead when it comes to the big, high-pressure matches.

oh, and @RIP Mourinho I haven't forgotten my homework, but work is getting in the way at the moment

21 hours ago, Zeta said:

As a comparison, maybe you should do a Costa game

More than happy to do a Costa game, i'm very busy the next few days with my dissertation but will review the Bournemouth game when i get a chance and if i can find the video on Youtube

9 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

Apart from a goal in each of the Man City games and one against the Spuds, all the rest have been against teams outside of the top 7 and mostly against bottom half teams and relegation strugglers, which you would expect.  Internationally, he bangs them in against the mighty Estonia, world beaters Greece and the Brazil of the Mediterranean, Cyprus.

You're right, top top talent, just made for the big games and ideal to lead the line for a Chelsea team looking to make a statement in the Premiership AND the Champions League next season.  Wouldn't he be even better if we could buy back KDB and Mata as well?  And Robben! 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he is cack and the Kezman de nos jours, but seems to have found his level, and that level is fighting for Europa league places with West Brom and Arsenal.  We need better, we need a world-class striker and Lukaku ain't that.  Neither is Costa, by the way, but he is streets ahead when it comes to the big, high-pressure matches.

oh, and @RIP Mourinho I haven't forgotten my homework, but work is getting in the way at the moment

IMO Kane is the best striker in the league. He has everything. However his record against the big teams himself has been poor. Top 6 teams he never scored against us home or away, did not score against United, did not score against Liverpool home or away, scored a penalty against Arsenal, did not score against City. While I agree Lukaku needs to perform against bigger teams, maybe if he is actually in a better team than Everton, his goal return improves against the bigger teams. And like stated, the platform is there to improve and is getting better and will bang in goals regardless.  

13 minutes ago, STATS said:

IMO Kane is the best striker in the league. He has everything. However his record against the big teams himself has been poor. Top 6 teams he never scored against us home or away, did not score against United, did not score against Liverpool home or away, scored a penalty against Arsenal, did not score against City. While I agree Lukaku needs to perform against bigger teams, maybe if he is actually in a better team than Everton, his goal return improves against the bigger teams. And like stated, the platform is there to improve and is getting better and will bang in goals regardless.  

Didn't he tear us a new one in Jan 2015??

45 minutes ago, barak81 said:

Didn't he tear us a new one in Jan 2015??

He did. TBH, most of the times we have played Lukaku we have handled him quite well apart from that but again maybe he just needs to be spearheading a top team because Everton are generally bad against the bigger teams, especially away from home. I just don't know who would be a better current alternative to buy this summer. Played in the PL, proven goalscorer and is getting better and better. He has flaws like any other striker. But to have the pace and power he does in this league is a big bonus.

33 minutes ago, STATS said:

He did. TBH, most of the times we have played Lukaku we have handled him quite well apart from that but again maybe he just needs to be spearheading a top team because Everton are generally bad against the bigger teams, especially away from home. I just don't know who would be a better current alternative to buy this summer. Played in the PL, proven goalscorer and is getting better and better. He has flaws like any other striker. But to have the pace and power he does in this league is a big bonus.

Sorry, I was confused , I though we were talking about Kane 

1 minute ago, barak81 said:

Sorry, I was confused , I though we were talking about Kane 

Yeah, he did but this season his record in big games been poor. The moral of the story I am getting at is, don't judge a player about his big game performances unless they are consistently poor in them every season. After all Lukaku has scored a hattrick against United while at 19 years of age IIRC. He has proven he can score against big teams, as has Kane.

11 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

Apart from a goal in each of the Man City games and one against the Spuds, all the rest have been against teams outside of the top 7.

So apart from three goals against the top six, he doesnt score against the big teams?  Do you even hear how that sounds? Does any striker have more then that? 

Im not that big of a fan tbh, but some of the critisism he gets is ridiculous

Edited April 12, 20179 yr by Xfaxtor

14 hours ago, STATS said:

IMO Kane is the best striker in the league. He has everything. However his record against the big teams himself has been poor. Top 6 teams he never scored against us home or away, did not score against United, did not score against Liverpool home or away, scored a penalty against Arsenal, did not score against City. While I agree Lukaku needs to perform against bigger teams, maybe if he is actually in a better team than Everton, his goal return improves against the bigger teams. And like stated, the platform is there to improve and is getting better and will bang in goals regardless.  

I'm not that taken by Kane either.  Didn't he score a screamer against us last season?  Anyway, you can say " if he is actually in a better team than Everton" but, if ifs and buts were bolts and nuts, the wheels wouldn't have come off so easily last year.  He played for a big team.  Us.  He didn't really break any records, did he?  Did he actually ever score for us?

12 hours ago, Xfaxtor said:

So apart from three goals against the top six, he doesnt score against the big teams?  Do you even hear how that sounds? Does any striker have more then that? 

Im not that big of a fan tbh, but some of the critisism he gets is ridiculous

yes, i hearhow that sounds. T hree out of 20-something.  Not great, is it?  But, like I said before, he isn't pants, just not good enough for a top European team.  Realistically, can you  honestly say that he would walk into the team at Bayern, Real, Barcelona, PSG or Juve?  That is who we need to be competing with. (Oh, and Leicester)

9 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

I'm not that taken by Kane either.  Didn't he score a screamer against us last season?  Anyway, you can say " if he is actually in a better team than Everton" but, if ifs and buts were bolts and nuts, the wheels wouldn't have come off so easily last year.  He played for a big team.  Us.  He didn't really break any records, did he?  Did he actually ever score for us?

yes, i hearhow that sounds. T hree out of 20-something.  Not great, is it?  But, like I said before, he isn't pants, just not good enough for a top European team.  Realistically, can you  honestly say that he would walk into the team at Bayern, Real, Barcelona, PSG or Juve?  That is who we need to be competing with. (Oh, and Leicester)

I think he would play ahead of mandzukic for juve and possibly ahead of cavani for psg. 

Who could we realistically sign that would walk into barca, real, or bayern team? 

How many teams actually sign world class strikers? Most of the time top teams sign strikers on the cusp of reaching that level. 

Should we look to replace Costa, I think we will have to do the same .Lukaku, morata, belottI, lacazette, Icardi all have question marks for various reasons. 

That's my point about Lukaku - question marks!  big ones about consistency, attitude and big game mentality.

Edited April 13, 20179 yr by yorkleyblue
edited for spelling mistakes. That cannot be allowed.

Realistically, who would people we rather sign than Lukaku? Sanchez is the only one i can think of and i'd still rather have him in the Pedro position. 

12 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Realistically, who would people we rather sign than Lukaku? Sanchez is the only one i can think of and i'd still rather have him in the Pedro position. 

Realistically is a tough one because we don't know who is going to be available in the summer.

Guys like Mbappe, Aubeymang(sp), Dyabla, Sanchez, Belotti are all IMO better footballers than Lukaku is. However if any are moving then we will need to jostle with the biggest clubs in Europe who are also after them. It's going to cost a fortune whoever we go for even Lukaku who will be in the £60 million region.

Ideal situation is Costa get's his head together and starts playing like we know he can because when he does he is miles ahead of Lukaku and one of the best strikers in Europe plus we save a fortune to spend elsewhere.

Edited April 13, 20179 yr by Chelsbear

37 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Realistically, who would people we rather sign than Lukaku? Sanchez is the only one i can think of and i'd still rather have him in the Pedro position. 

The only player I think we could sign that is in that world class bracket would be greizmann imo. He isn't the most physical though so we would probably need a llorente type to come in so we have the option of changing up. 

We should've been after greizmann, dybala, and aubemayang before they moved to there current clubs. 

If those 3 are out of the question, then it would be between lukaku and morata for me. 

I'm not keen on sanchez as a striker tbh.

5 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

 

yes, i hearhow that sounds. T hree out of 20-something.  Not great, is it?  But, like I said before, he isn't pants, just not good enough for a top European team.  Realistically, can you  honestly say that he would walk into the team at Bayern, Real, Barcelona, PSG or Juve?  That is who we need to be competing with. (Oh, and Leicester)

Well its best in the league, better then Zlatan, Costa, Aguero and Kane so I think your expectations are a bit too high. But if you feel like we should go after Suarez and Lewandowski over him then I can see how you feel that way. Personally I think he would walk into PSG and Juve whos playing Mandzukic and Cavani. Bayern and Barca not so much, but no striker on the planet would cause thats probably the number 1 and 2 in the world right there. 

As for the rumoured available there arent many who are better then Lukaku. Griezman isnt a lone striker and neither is Dybala. Bellotti comes from Italy and Italian players generally struggle to adapt to the English game. Mbappé is still just a kid and thats pretty much it. 

Personally I dont think Lukaku is good enough off the ball for how Conte wants to play (purely my opinion based on his first months here) so Id rather go for someone else, I just dont think there are anyone avalable who fits the bill if Costa leaves.

60-70 mill for Belotti seams a steep gamble to me.

 

Koeman has apparently said in his pre match press conference that Lukaku has told him that he won't sign a new contract at Everton. He has two years left on his current deal. 

drogs dropping some hints

 

koeman's response 

 

5 hours ago, big blue said:

I think he would play ahead of mandzukic for juve

Not in their current system!