53 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

SFL is veering towards Tinkerman MkII

More questions are being asked of him for sure.

17 hours ago, Gol15 said:

We don't even know what is our best formation and yet somehow Kante is to be blamed when our attack doesn't show up. The midfield has no issues we just had 70% possession in an away game.

Another post saying that the club should sell Kante because the attack doesn't know how to score goals, just great.

Like I said in the transfer threads, Sergej was the best midfielder in Serie A last season, he won the player of the month award just recently and Lazio is currently on a 10-11 game winning streak which means they are only 3 points behind Juventus, they won't sell SMS for less than 180m euros as they basically see him as a better player than Pogba, there is little to no chance of getting that player.

The best is to just sell Kante and Jorginho for laughs and then maybe some of you will realise how it really looks without them...what a joke.

Uhm no, he's revising options we have, he didn't say that's his chosen one, the first one was. 

Your lack of reading comprehension is causing arguments because you keep insisting people are saying things they're not saying then you go on an endless hysterical tirade. 

16 hours ago, Gol15 said:

What if we as a team just stop pressing so high with Kante instead of selling him? I agree that Kante pressing so high is a bad move, our midfield broke apart against any team as soon as the ball skipped the midfield and went to the opposition striker, nobody could stop that since Kante was left out too high up the pitch and Jorginho or Kovacic getting a yellow card was basically a must.

If we are to sell a player, it should be Jorginho/Kovacic. I don't know who would replace them but selling Kante is like shooting yourself in the foot. It's much easier to find a player that fits with Kante than selling Kante and searching for a great player instead, Kante does a lot of work that whoever is with him doesn't need to worry so much about a lot of things.

So, you now admit that Kante is playing too high up the pitch, yet you were going ape sh*t on here towards people who were telling you Jorginho-Kante doesn't work? How many more games do we have to lose with Jorginho-Kante before you come to your senses that it clearly isn't working against low block teams? That's all people are telling you, they aren't saying Kante is sh*t. Kante is 28 coming up 29 in March, with a history of recent injuries and a game that heavily relies around pace, people saying they would snap up a 100m offer isn't exactly unreasonable is it, so stop getting hysterical over it. So no, they're not saying "lets sell him", I really doubt any club would offer that much for Kante now anyway, not even PSG. 

Jorginho and Kovacic have been two of our best players this season, Kovacic is 25 why sell him? He isn't disrupting any sort of play, even if he's not a nailed-on starter he's an asset to the side. Jorginho is excellent at dictating the play and commanding the team, he's also gotten better at reading the game this season. It's quite clear our performances started to drop when we tried to accommodate Kante into the starting 11, I don't know why this very fact seems to offend you so much, this stupid tribalism over footballers needs to end because it's severely lowering the quality of this forum. 

 

18 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Another post saying we should sell Kante, keep going I wonder when will be the next time someone tells me how nobody wants to sell him...

It's now Kantes fault that our attack didn't show up. He does his role well. Nobody else from the midfield is actually having a mindblowing season, Mount is the untouchable not Kante.

I've been quite consistent for months saying we should sell kante. Not my fault people think no one is saying it. If we can get 100m, we need to cash in. 

Kante does his job well. I just don't see why we are employing someone to do that job. He can't pass shoot or defend set pieces. The three most important things for me in a midfielder against the bottom half of the table. 

I agree mount is untouchable for Frank, but kante also plays every game under him without question. Personally my midfield would feature jorginho, mount and a RLC type player. SMS wouldn't cost 180m at all, he'd be a similar price to kante. 

Fact is, I'm right on Kante. When he plays the bottom half, we lose. That's why he's being pointed out more and more. In our current style, he's not worth having around. We could change the style, but I think that's less realistic than selling the player. 

Yes I see Kante as less useful for a team playing possession football.

I would like to see another midfielder with box to box ability with a decent shot and can head the ball.

I really dont see Kante as being the problem, he is easily the most consistent performer in our team the deficiencies are far wider than just simply it being a case of Jorginho & Kante can't play together.

Our first real problem is that we have a very one dimensional attack, on the right we have James looking to overlap CHO however on the left Azpi doesnt carry the same threat going forward & Willian on the left always decides to cut in as opposed to being a little more unpredictable with his decision making. This makes our attack very one dimensional and easier to defend against as teams can protect the right side and allow Azpi and Willian space out wide yet prevent the cut back.

Centrally as good as Jorginho is we lack someone who brings some level of creativity, Isco could potentially come in and offer us some creativity on the left by replacing Mount.

Having said all that our main problem is that we are playing a very young team with majority of players playing there first competitive season at the top level and with youth you will get inconsistency, we need to keep our faith and with experience the team will learn to break down deep lying defenses.  

2 hours ago, Imran_CFC said:

I really dont see Kante as being the problem, he is easily the most consistent performer in our team the deficiencies are far wider than just simply it being a case of Jorginho & Kante can't play together.

Our first real problem is that we have a very one dimensional attack, on the right we have James looking to overlap CHO however on the left Azpi doesnt carry the same threat going forward & Willian on the left always decides to cut in as opposed to being a little more unpredictable with his decision making. This makes our attack very one dimensional and easier to defend against as teams can protect the right side and allow Azpi and Willian space out wide yet prevent the cut back.

Centrally as good as Jorginho is we lack someone who brings some level of creativity, Isco could potentially come in and offer us some creativity on the left by replacing Mount.

Having said all that our main problem is that we are playing a very young team with majority of players playing there first competitive season at the top level and with youth you will get inconsistency, we need to keep our faith and with experience the team will learn to break down deep lying defenses.  

I don't think it is question over Willian cutting in on the left so does CHO, we do not have a natural left footed player except the defenders in Emerson and Alonso. It is a squad weakness.

Even with crosses often we only have Tammy to aim for, he needs the support of another attack minded player that can head a ball.

 

 

 

5 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I've been quite consistent for months saying we should sell kante. Not my fault people think no one is saying it. If we can get 100m, we need to cash in. 

Kante does his job well. I just don't see why we are employing someone to do that job. He can't pass shoot or defend set pieces. The three most important things for me in a midfielder against the bottom half of the table. 

I agree mount is untouchable for Frank, but kante also plays every game under him without question. Personally my midfield would feature jorginho, mount and a RLC type player. SMS wouldn't cost 180m at all, he'd be a similar price to kante. 

Fact is, I'm right on Kante. When he plays the bottom half, we lose. That's why he's being pointed out more and more. In our current style, he's not worth having around. We could change the style, but I think that's less realistic than selling the player. 

I agree to disagree, with everything you said here. Kante is our best player and selling him would be a massive blow as we wouldn't find a player like him, it's you being ungrateful here when you try to single out Kante for all the failures of others, there is no fact that points to Kante being a bad player he is above 7.0 and it's not his fault that the attack doesn't show up, Lampard himself said he's have had great games and doesn't see a problem with him, it would be suicidal for him to sell his best player that is very hard to replace, ManUtd sold some of their top players and didn't get replacements and are now suffering, Lazio will reject a 100m offer before they have their coffee in the morning, mark my words, it's easier to find a player that fits with Kante than selling him, 70% possession in an away game with 19 shots but only 4 on target, one of which was from Kante himself, not his fault that our atrack can't create anything while having the ball 70% of the time it's in play.

Imagine basing a players performance on a whoscored rating... Just imagine that... 

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

I agree to disagree, with everything you said here. Kante is our best player and selling him would be a massive blow as we wouldn't find a player like him, it's you being ungrateful here when you try to single out Kante for all the failures of others, there is no fact that points to Kante being a bad player he is above 7.0 and it's not his fault that the attack doesn't show up, Lampard himself said he's have had great games and doesn't see a problem with him, it would be suicidal for him to sell his best player that is very hard to replace, ManUtd sold some of their top players and didn't get replacements and are now suffering, Lazio will reject a 100m offer before they have their coffee in the morning, mark my words, it's easier to find a player that fits with Kante than selling him, 70% possession in an away game with 19 shots but only 4 on target, one of which was from Kante himself, not his fault that our atrack can't create anything while having the ball 70% of the time it's in play.

1) I'm not singling kante out. This is the kante thread. 

2) I don't want to find a player like him. So I don't care of we sell him and don't find someone like him. 

3) I want to sign a replacement. Someone like SMS who we should be targeting. Also - lazio don't have the money to turn down 100m, when they drink coffee is irrelevant. 

4) if our attack don't create anything, then yes it is at least partly his fault because he makes up our attack. He is one of our 5 offensive players. 

5) kante isn't a bad player. He's world class. But for our team he's just not the right player. 

Edited January 20, 20206 yr by bisright1

5 hours ago, Imran_CFC said:

I really dont see Kante as being the problem, he is easily the most consistent performer in our team the deficiencies are far wider than just simply it being a case of Jorginho & Kante can't play together.

Our first real problem is that we have a very one dimensional attack, on the right we have James looking to overlap CHO however on the left Azpi doesnt carry the same threat going forward & Willian on the left always decides to cut in as opposed to being a little more unpredictable with his decision making. This makes our attack very one dimensional and easier to defend against as teams can protect the right side and allow Azpi and Willian space out wide yet prevent the cut back.

Centrally as good as Jorginho is we lack someone who brings some level of creativity, Isco could potentially come in and offer us some creativity on the left by replacing Mount.

Having said all that our main problem is that we are playing a very young team with majority of players playing there first competitive season at the top level and with youth you will get inconsistency, we need to keep our faith and with experience the team will learn to break down deep lying defenses.  

Our midfield is not the problem at all. Our attack misses far too many chances so I agree with a lot of things here, our full-backs (James and Azpili) continue to perform at a high level but the attack itself is lacking a lot, I think we are missing Pulisic a lot, he was doing a good job before he got injured.

Isco would be a good signing but I'm also seeing it as a potential risky signing because this season alone he hasn't been producing much he's having a bad season so far.

Our attack is just as you say, it has been youth + Willian and Willian was never putting up insane numbers anyway, he did however solve a few games for us. 

Frank Lampard is totally correct in his view, we are not finishing our chances, and that has nothing to do with Kante that has been performing really well, he even scored as soon as he came back from injury and nobody else from our midfield is outperfoming him.

4 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

1) I'm not singling kante out. This is the kante thread. 

2) I don't want to find a player like him. So I don't care of we sell him and don't find someone like him. 

3) I want to sign a replacement. Someone like SMS who we should be targeting. Also - lazio don't have the money to turn down 100m, when they drink coffee is irrelevant. 

4) if our attack don't create anything, then yes it is at least partly his fault because he makes up our attack. He is one of our 5 offensive players. 

5) kante isn't a bad player. He's world class. But for our team he's just not the right player. 

I don't understand how one can be part of the attack, but not be responsible for the attack being ineffecient? How the f**k does that work. 

Honestly, I want to see how Kante does in Mounts position with Kovacic and Jorginho behind him. I actually quite liked the first 25 minutes against City, before it all went to pot. Since then we haven't tried it, City are just a very good team on their day though, I think we should try that going forward. 

4 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Our midfield is not the problem at all. Our attack misses far too many chances so I agree with a lot of things here, our full-backs (James and Azpili) continue to perform at a high level but the attack itself is lacking a lot, I think we are missing Pulisic a lot, he was doing a good job before he got injured.

Isco would be a good signing but I'm also seeing it as a potential risky signing because this season alone he hasn't been producing much he's having a bad season so far.

Our attack is just as you say, it has been youth + Willian and Willian was never putting up insane numbers anyway, he did however solve a few games for us. 

Frank Lampard is totally correct in his view, we are not finishing our chances, and that has nothing to do with Kante that has been performing really well, he even scored as soon as he came back from injury and nobody else from our midfield is outperfoming him.

You've literally just said the attack didn't create anything...... So how can they be blamed for missing chances? Do you even read what you write? 

Edited January 20, 20206 yr by Slojo

5 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

1) I'm not singling kante out. This is the kante thread. 

2) I don't want to find a player like him. So I don't care of we sell him and don't find someone like him. 

3) I want to sign a replacement. Someone like SMS who we should be targeting. Also - lazio don't have the money to turn down 100m, when they drink coffee is irrelevant. 

4) if our attack don't create anything, then yes it is at least partly his fault because he makes up our attack. He is one of our 5 offensive players. 

5) kante isn't a bad player. He's world class. But for our team he's just not the right player. 

1) You actually are since you are blaming the results only on him, me and among others Frank Lampard can't see it so you're on your own there, good luck in having support in someone that said a year ago that Kante doesn't fit our system.

2) 3) Sergej already had a big offer which was rejected by Lazio this last summer, they think he is worth far more than Pogba was when he left Juventus, good luck with that.

4) Saying partially his fault isn't what you have been saying so far though, this is a very mild view in comparison to what you were after before you said this. Part from Mount having more goals from open play Kante has been our best midfielder when it comes to contributions to our attack from open play.

5) Kante is world class and he has been the right player for our team ever since he came here, the results prove it, he has been a constant key player regardless of having to adapt to 3 different managers nobody that is relevant enough has ever said that he isn't the right player for us.

6 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

5) Kante is world class and he has been the right player for our team ever since he came here, the results prove it

Pretty sure the results say otherwise mate. 

We've lost 8 out of 15 games he's played in, but ok. 

I think the only possible way that you sell Kante is if it close to a maximum price as possible. Looking £100m MIN. 
 

secondly, you only sell Kante if you can use the money to buy a guaranteed, quality signing - think Augero for City or Lampard for us. of course, there’s no way to guarantee it. 
 

outside of them 2 reasons, forget it. 

25 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

1) I'm not singling kante out. This is the kante thread. 

2) I don't want to find a player like him. So I don't care of we sell him and don't find someone like him. 

3) I want to sign a replacement. Someone like MSM who we should be targeting. 

4) if our attack don't create anything, then yes it is at least partly his fault because he makes up our attack. He is one of our 5 offensive players. 

5) kante isn't a bad player. He's world class. But for our team he's just not the right player. 

I see the logic here  - have alluded to it before. It’s all about the fit. I feel Kante’s attributes would be better deployed in a team of galacticos as the unsung hero/spoiler/engine. It’s not a criticism of Kante as much as an acknowledgment of our lack of really potent attacking players elsewhere on the pitch. If we’re playing less good sides his attributes are wasted and we need all the attacking threat we can muster. Now against the better sides he is really valuable but we need to ask ourselves: 1) what’s better for Kante: would he be happy with missing half the games vs being possibly the first name on the team sheet at a Real/PSG?; and 2) could we, net, with the money we get for Kante, improve our current team/squad/find a better fit? 

1 minute ago, JM7 said:

I think the only possible way that you sell Kante is if it close to a maximum price as possible. Looking £100m MIN. 
 

secondly, you only sell Kante if you can use the money to buy a guaranteed, quality signing - think Augero for City or Lampard for us. of course, there’s no way to guarantee it. 
 

outside of them 2 reasons, forget it. 

Like I said, it's far more viable and easier to sign a player that fits with Kante and that would have his back covered because Kante does a whole lot all over the pitch, than to sell Kante and look for a potential new world class player that would join.

Basically losing Hazard and with Pulisic injured we are not scoring our chances and nobody is consistent enough, if you look at the base player market values Kante is now our highest valuable player, the second highest is Jorginho but the difference is around 30m.

Losing this player means the squad automatically gets much worse, there is no question about it and then you put yourself at risk because everyone will know that we will be looking for a new big signing so the price for our new midfielder would be even higher since everyone would know that we are in a desperate need of a new good midfielder.

We already are or will be in a big need of a winger, left back and a striker, selling Kante would be suicidal for Frank Lampard and for the whole team because it's almost impossible to solve all those positions in 1 transfer window, there is 0 sense in selling Kante, absolute 0.

15 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Like I said, it's far more viable and easier to sign a player that fits with Kante and that would have his back covered because Kante does a whole lot all over the pitch, than to sell Kante and look for a potential new world class player that would join.

Basically losing Hazard and with Pulisic injured we are not scoring our chances and nobody is consistent enough, if you look at the base player market values Kante is now our highest valuable player, the second highest is Jorginho but the difference is around 30m.

Losing this player means the squad automatically gets much worse, there is no question about it and then you put yourself at risk because everyone will know that we will be looking for a new big signing so the price for our new midfielder would be even higher since everyone would know that we are in a desperate need of a new good midfielder.

We already are or will be in a big need of a winger, left back and a striker, selling Kante would be suicidal for Frank Lampard and for the whole team because it's almost impossible to solve all those positions in 1 transfer window, there is 0 sense in selling Kante, absolute 0.

At 28 it would be unrealistic to build a team around Kante.

Kante does a lot on the pitch for teams that play counter attack football not so much for possession based teams that need players more comfortable on the ball, IMO

2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

It's not his fault that our attack can't create anything while having the ball 70% of the time it's in play.

 

You've changed your tune. A minute ago we were creating a million chances now we're not creating anything at all. You really need to get your story straight, sunshine.

33 minutes ago, JM7 said:

I think the only possible way that you sell Kante is if it close to a maximum price as possible. Looking £100m MIN. 
 

secondly, you only sell Kante if you can use the money to buy a guaranteed, quality signing - think Augero for City or Lampard for us. of course, there’s no way to guarantee it. 
 

outside of them 2 reasons, forget it. 

Known us we would spend it on Zaha 

11 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

You've changed your tune. A minute ago we were creating a million chances now we're not creating anything at all. You really need to get your story straight, sunshine.

Creating goals is creating something. I'm not here to argue semantics, I was very clear in what I said you can go back and find my previous posts, my main point is that it's not Kante's fault that the attack doesn't show up. 70% possession, 19 shots and 0 goals, Frank Lampard has the same opinion as me.

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

You can go back and find my previous posts.

 

Thanks but I'll pass.

 

29 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

At 28 it would be unrealistic to build a team around Kante.

Kante does a lot on the pitch for teams that play counter attack football not so much for possession based teams that need players more comfortable on the ball, IMO

For his position 27-29 are the best years. We already have a team around him if you haven't noticed, since he came 2016 he's the only midfielder part from RLC that is left from that year. Fabregas, Matic, David Luiz that sometimes played DM all gone! It's not even about building a team around him it's the fact that he can do a lot on the pitch and that other players around him can focus more on doing what they do best.

Kante so far has 3 goals in the league, 7.0 performance in the last 10 games and that had an injury. He is actually doing his role but he's missing a Hazard that can solve games for the team, nobody else is actually doing more than Kante, Mount has scored 2 goals more but he has had many games where he was invisible but he gets the pass because he's young. 

Edited January 20, 20206 yr by Gol15

9 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

Thanks but I'll pass.

 

I can repeat, it's not Kante's fault that nobody in attack is scoring our chances. Frank Lampard has been saying that even before the Burnley  game but if I go further back I bet I can find him complaining about the lack of finishing and how we aren't clinical enough even before that particular press. It's already proven that Kante is contributing the most to our attack when compared to the other central midfielders, Jorginho scoring from penalties is a special task, I'm talking about contributing from open play, only Mount has 2 more goals than Kante. There is 0 sense in selling our most valuable player, that's a fact. 

Edited January 20, 20206 yr by Gol15