I know it's been a bad summer for the youth and academy prospects, but we also have jay dasilva who is currently captaining England u19's to the euro finals. 

 

1 minute ago, big blue said:

I know it's been a bad summer for the youth and academy prospects, but we also have jay dasilva who is currently captaining England u19's to the euro finals. 

 

And Mason Mount has been fantastic in this tournament too...

9 minutes ago, enigma said:

unless sandro pushes for the move then it ain't happening because juve don't wanna lose alves and bonucci in one window.

Juve has already let Bonucci and Alves go

 

2 hours ago, Brutos said:

Alex Telles from Porto is cheaper and will become just as good

So we go from 2nd choice Brazil LB to Brazil's 3rd choice? Much rather we use Kenedy or Baba than wasting money

On 14/07/2017 at 12:34, big blue said:

fair enough. I have seen de sciglio play lwb for Italy so assumed that was his main position, but I know he is right footed, so he is probably more effective on the right. 

Have milan transfers got juventus fans feeling nervous? I was a massive series a fan in late 90's when it was the best league in the world. I would be good to have milan and inter competing seriously again. 

traditionally Juve and Milan are the biggest serie A teams and despite historically competing there was generally never bad blood and enmity among the clubs and fans. Also because Juve traditionally dominates more domestically while Milan focused on CL.

This changed after the 2006 scandal when Juve was relegated and Inter and at a lower degree Milan took advantage of the situation, despite being more heavily involved in the same type of behaviours for which juve was destroyed. That soured the relationship because Milan went on winning their 7th CL despite being found guilty in the same year of our relegation. Of course at the time the head of the government happened to be Milan president and the head of Italian FA a former member of Inter board of directors.

Since then relationships have gone south worsened by an episode in 2012 (first Conte's title) when a regular goal was disallowed to Milan against us.

So while we do not have the same type of deep rooted hatred we have for the joke of Serie A that is Inter, there is no more love left with Milan either  

Bonucci transfer to Milan is a massive blow that goes well beyond the technical aspect because Bonucci has been one of the leaders of this Juve's cycle and he has been the most vocal supporter of juve's values often going to see matches among the fans when he could not play. He was supposed to become captain next year after Buffon will leave, but clearly there was a fall off with the coach and the club and along with the silly money offered by Milan he decided to go. You do not wanna read his and his wife's social feed these days for the amount of abuse they are taking by fans 

Not really classy I know but it is a sign of how much it hurts. Of course we would have preferred he went to Chelsea or City, but they did not want to move from Italy and Juve clearly wanted to get rid of the problem asap. I think the club should have pushed more for a transfer abroad, it is a big mistake

1 minute ago, B&Wlegends said:

traditionally Juve and Milan are the biggest serie A teams and despite historically competing there was generally never bad blood and enmity among the clubs and fans. Also because Juve traditionally dominates more domestically while Milan focused on CL.

This changed after the 2006 scandal when Juve was relegated and Inter and at a lower degree Milan took advantage of the situation, despite being more heavily involved in the same type of behaviours for which juve was destroyed. That soured the relationship because Milan went on winning their 7th CL despite being found guilty in the same year of our relegation. Of course at the time the head of the government happened to be Milan president and the head of Italian FA a former member of Inter board of directors.

Since then relationships have gone south worsened by an episode in 2012 (first Conte's title) when a regular goal was disallowed to Milan against us.

So while we do not have the same type of deep rooted hatred we have for the joke of Serie A that is Inter, there is no more love left with Milan either  

Bonucci transfer to Milan is a massive blow that goes well beyond the technical aspect because Bonucci has been one of the leaders of this Juve's cycle and he has been the most vocal supporter of juve's values often going to see matches among the fans when he could not play. He was supposed to become captain next year after Buffon will leave, but clearly there was a fall off with the coach and the club and along with the silly money offered by Milan he decided to go. You do not wanna read his and his wife's social feed these days for the amount of abuse they are taking by fans 

Not really classy I know but it is a sign of how much it hurts. Of course we would have preferred he went to Chelsea or City, but they did not want to move from Italy and Juve clearly wanted to get rid of the problem asap. I think the club should have pushed more for a transfer abroad, it is a big mistake

And I'm guessing there is no way Juve would sell Sandro now?
Not even if Matic was used to sweeten the deal? 

Just now, TomCFC85 said:

And I'm guessing there is no way Juve would sell Sandro now?
Not even if Matic was used to sweeten the deal? 

no I think Sandro was never on the market and selling it now would really be a suicide even for silly money. Of course if the player gets crazy and starts pushing hard is possible but Juve at this point should really be strong-armed to let him go even for 70 millions.

I think they have offered him an extension of the contract with increased salary and a promise to consider offers next year like they did with Pogba in 2015. If Sandro leaves as well I thinks that the huge technical problem would not even be the worse part, fans would start becoming really crazy and the season would risk being compromised

6 minutes ago, B&Wlegends said:

traditionally Juve and Milan are the biggest serie A teams and despite historically competing there was generally never bad blood and enmity among the clubs and fans. Also because Juve traditionally dominates more domestically while Milan focused on CL.

This changed after the 2006 scandal when Juve was relegated and Inter and at a lower degree Milan took advantage of the situation, despite being more heavily involved in the same type of behaviours for which juve was destroyed. That soured the relationship because Milan went on winning their 7th CL despite being found guilty in the same year of our relegation. Of course at the time the head of the government happened to be Milan president and the head of Italian FA a former member of Inter board of directors.

Since then relationships have gone south worsened by an episode in 2012 (first Conte's title) when a regular goal was disallowed to Milan against us.

So while we do not have the same type of deep rooted hatred we have for the joke of Serie A that is Inter, there is no more love left with Milan either  

Bonucci transfer to Milan is a massive blow that goes well beyond the technical aspect because Bonucci has been one of the leaders of this Juve's cycle and he has been the most vocal supporter of juve's values often going to see matches among the fans when he could not play. He was supposed to become captain next year after Buffon will leave, but clearly there was a fall off with the coach and the club and along with the silly money offered by Milan he decided to go. You do not wanna read his and his wife's social feed these days for the amount of abuse they are taking by fans 

Not really classy I know but it is a sign of how much it hurts. Of course we would have preferred he went to Chelsea or City, but they did not want to move from Italy and Juve clearly wanted to get rid of the problem asap. I think the club should have pushed more for a transfer abroad, it is a big mistake

He has a son with an illness right? Even I wouldn't uproot my family just for a couple of millions more if it meant we had to readjust our lives whilst taking care of my son

43 minutes ago, doctorblue said:

And Mason Mount has been fantastic in this tournament too...

As was Chalobah until he got injured ofcourse

1 minute ago, B&Wlegends said:

no I think Sandro was never on the market and selling it now would really be a suicide even for silly money. Of course if the player gets crazy and starts pushing hard is possible but Juve at this point should really be strong-armed to let him go even for 70 millions.

I think they have offered him an extension of the contract with increased salary and a promise to consider offers next year like they did with Pogba in 2015. If Sandro leaves as well I thinks that the huge technical problem would not even be the worse part, fans would start becoming really crazy and the season would risk being compromised

So we can go for him next year? 

Just now, Deino said:

He has a son with an illness right? Even I wouldn't uproot my family just for a couple of millions more if it meant we had to readjust our lives whilst taking care of my son

yes his little one was very sick last year and luckily recovered from it, but he is still under medical attention in Turin

 

Just now, Deino said:

So we can go for him next year? 

possibly :) I actually think that we have a good subs in Spinazzola that is at Atalanta till next year and had a phenomenal season last year. You should have gone for Bonucci this year damn it! 

1 minute ago, B&Wlegends said:

possibly :) I actually think that we have a good subs in Spinazzola that is at Atalanta till next year and had a phenomenal season last year. You should have gone for Bonucci this year damn it! 

I doubt he'd accept it. But who knows, we've got Rudiger now. 

Question, what do you think of Rudiger? Is he good or bad?

23 hours ago, Deino said:

They let Pogba and Pirlo go in 1 summer, it could happen. You never know

If anything, the time to leave is now while they're rebuilding their defense. Chiellini and Barzagli will only decline and they're going to transition De Sciglio. If A. Sandro goes now, they still have time to find replacements

No Pogba was sold last year. Pirlo left in 2015 along with Tevez and Vidal and in fact the following season we had a terrible start. This summer is really unlikely especially after Bonucci left

If we can't get Sandro I could see us going into the season with Alonso and Baba. I don't think we're going to buy any old left back, I think Sandro was seen as an upgrade but not many others who would possibly improve on Alonso would be available.

That, or don't rule out a bid for Bertrand. £30m and increases the homegrown quota. 

23 minutes ago, Deino said:

I doubt he'd accept it. But who knows, we've got Rudiger now. 

Question, what do you think of Rudiger? Is he good or bad?

well bonucci is a different category all together.  Rudiger is a good player but in my book it would never be worth anywhere near 40 million Euro.

He is very strong physically and very fast. Besides he is able to play in two roles which is a value added. He is not very smart tactically  and sometimes he looses concentration during the game allowing chances. With Conte he will improve for sure these two aspects because otherwise he will not play :) The area that I dislike the most is his character,he is not straight as a arrow, he often provokes opponents and simulates, and I am not sure he will be able to change that. He reminds me another player with the same attitude, Pepe

Edited July 15, 20179 yr by B&Wlegends

3 minutes ago, B&Wlegends said:

well bonucci is a different category all together.  Rudiger is a good player but in my book it would never be worth anywhere near 40 million Euro.

He is very strong physically and very fast. Besides he is able to play in two roles which is a value added. He is not very smart tactically  and sometimes he looses concentration during the game allowing chances. With Conte he will improve for sure these two aspects because otherwise he will not play :) The area that I dislike the most is his character,he is not straight as a arrow, he often provokes opponents and simulates, and I am not sure he will be able to change that. He reminds me another player with the same attitude, Pepe

It worried me about being tactically aware because I had thiughhe will displace Garry eventually, however luiz also is tactically unaware at times, although he has improved greatly, those two may not be a good combo in that aspect, having Terry yelling at him throughout the game would have worked wonders for that, as for being provocative for a defender that actually works well in our league as long as he is smart enough not to get booked, I've no problem with winding up strikers within limits of course 

1 minute ago, DonAntonio said:

It worried me about being tactically aware because I had thiughhe will displace Garry eventually, however luiz also is tactically unaware at times, although he has improved greatly, those two may not be a good combo in that aspect, having Terry yelling at him throughout the game would have worked wonders for that, as for being provocative for a defender that actually works well in our league as long as he is smart enough not to get booked, I've no problem with winding up strikers within limits of course 

With Antonio he will improve his tactical skills a lot, there is no doubt about that. When Conte took over Juve Bonucci was anywhere near the player he became afterwards. The issue is more about whether he is able to put the will to improve and to keep his concentration high all the time and on the side to improve his fair play record as well.

1 minute ago, B&Wlegends said:

With Antonio he will improve his tactical skills a lot, there is no doubt about that. When Conte took over Juve Bonucci was anywhere near the player he became afterwards. The issue is more about whether he is able to put the will to improve and to keep his concentration high all the time and on the side to improve his fair play record as well.

Please take this in no way as an offence but I'm surprised to see an Italian fan find fair play so important, I though a bit of gamesmanship was appreciated in Italian football? I think the World Cup will be good motivation for him to concentrate and we have seen what Conte has done with luiz in that aspect, I'm optimistic.  

Just now, DonAntonio said:

Please take this in no way as an offence but I'm surprised to see an Italian fan find fair play so important, I though a bit of gamesmanship was appreciated in Italian football? I think the World Cup will be good motivation for him to concentrate and we have seen what Conte has done with luiz in that aspect, I'm optimistic.  

you are right and probably I noticed it more in Rudiger because he played for Roma. However I do like tough defenders but I dislike simulators also when they play for juve like Cuadrado or Lichtsteiner who are good players but have the same issue. Rudiger I felt a few times he brought this malice to the next level  in a few occasions and disliked him for that

5 minutes ago, B&Wlegends said:

you are right and probably I noticed it more in Rudiger because he played for Roma. However I do like tough defenders but I dislike simulators also when they play for juve like Cuadrado or Lichtsteiner who are good players but have the same issue. Rudiger I felt a few times he brought this malice to the next level  in a few occasions and disliked him for that

Personally I really respect that and I like fair play   , unfortunately because Chelsea usually play fairly st times in Europe we have lost our advantage to teams who were more streetwise, Psg were a perfect example a couple of years ago, and I started to think if it's part of the game within reason we need a bit of it, simulation though I deteste.

15 hours ago, TomCFC85 said:

THIS DOES NOT SLIP NOW 

Ah Slippy G - The merest reference to his name puts a smile on my face.

 

I'd now dump the Danilo deal as I only think we were interested in him as bait for Sandro...and the price for Matic is £50m...

Edited July 15, 20179 yr by doctorblue

Don't get too disheartened about not getting Sandro, Alonso has been amazing last season and to be honest all we really need is a decent back up.

Of course Sandro is much better than Alonso but if they refused a big offer from us then what can we do?

2 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Don't get too disheartened about not getting Sandro, Alonso has been amazing last season and to be honest all we really need is a decent back up.

Of course Sandro is much better than Alonso but if they refused a big offer from us then what can we do?

I got railed on for suggesting this same thing about Alonso/RicRod earlier. It seems Alonso has gone from not being good enough when this saga started to now being mentioned in the same breath as Sandro and Alaba.