On 12/21/2017 at 17:20, Zeta said:

Most people who had ever watched him knew it was a big mistake to sell him. He was still young and learning, he could ping a ball 60 yards and find a teammate on a regular basis, he had a hell of a shot on him, he was the closest we had to another Lampard. He proved himself more than capable on loan, with 10 goals, but Mourinho just didn't give him enough of a chance. Same with lots of players. Same with RLC. How is any young player - still maturing, still learning and adapting - supposed to prove themselves with a few minutes here and a few minutes there?

Jose won the league, yes, but he went massively short-term to do so. If he'd looked at the long-term picture, we may not have won the league under him that season, but we may have been in a much healthier position squad wise then we ended up being, and won more in the future as a result. It's impossible to say, but it is not true to say it's only looking like a mistake in hindsight, when it was clear as day he was going to become a top player.

Don't talk sense as Yorkley wont like it.

Edited December 22, 20178 yr by Ernie_blue

On 12/21/2017 at 12:31, yorkleyblue said:

I am sorry to come back to this "discussion", but I think that someone who was totally involved in the club at the time that KdB, Salah and Lukaku were here and then sold might, just MIGHT have a bit more insight than us fans, watching from the sidelines.  Interesting read from some bloke called John Terry,  reported in several places, that none of the "biggest mistake in footballing history, never given a chance, blah blah blah" revisionistas have bothered to post in here as it doesn't conform to their narrative.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/john-terry-no-regrets-chelsea-sold-kevin-de-bruyne-romelu-lukaku-mohamed-salah-7169940/

 

Relevant part for me is where JT says, in direct quotes, 

"Despite their respective incredible upturns since leaving Chelsea, former Blues captain Terry believes there should be no regrets at Stamford Bridge. ‘Not really, because at the time they didn’t make our team stronger,’ he told Sky Sports when asked if they should regret selling them. ‘Let’s not forget we were one of the best teams probably the Premier League has ever seen, in them early days when they arrived. ‘So they was coming into one of the best sides which was even more difficult. ‘When they come in can they make a big enough impact to sustain and keep their place? No, it’s very difficult to do."

The emboldening is me!  So, do I accept the whining from some people because some players got better when they got older and more experienced, or do I respect the opinion of the greatest Chelsea icon of the recent era?

My money is on JT.

I thank you.

‘Let’s not forget we were one of the best teams probably the Premier League has ever seen, in them early days when they arrived"

I love JT but surely he has his years majorly mistaken there.

Come on Mane

Ozil's been sh*te, he's such a lazy player.

Can't get any streams to work.

When you see Arsenal play like this it's a mystery how we have had a mixed bag of results against them lately

1 minute ago, Zeta said:

Can't get any streams to work.

acestream://6d478fdbfc8d4f8fc165953443ba25f8c64e2de6

Wow, Liverpool are just enjoying their football, they do whatever they want. Sanchez can't find a player, Lacazette is always alone, Iwobi can't stop losing balls and I won't talk about Ozil, worst player on the pitch. 

Arsenal have been really poor. I actually thought they had a decent start but they kept trying long balls to Lacazette - not very Wenger  

Salah should have had 2 and Firmino missed that header, could have this game won already. Normally means Arsenal will win it now, as much as i dont rate Wellbeck at least he gets the basics right.

Edited December 22, 20178 yr by Ernie_blue

What a terrible advert for the Premier League in that first half. Not much skill on display by either side and Arsenal are a shambles.

Bloody hell, he's scored another goal.

Arsenal are awful

Even as a fan who hates Arsenal and finds it funny when they do sh*t, I am disgusted by Ozil's lack of effort.

that was a great goal - like De Bruyne, Salah showed none of this ability when he was with us 

haha, that was going into cechs hands without the deflection.

Edited December 22, 20178 yr by Ernie_blue

Just now, carrickblue said:

that was a great goal - like De Bruyne, Salah showed none of this ability when he was with us 

Yip. He was lightning quick but his touch and dribbling were woeful from what I remember 

Just now, Zeta said:

Even as a fan who hates Arsenal and finds it funny when they do sh*t, I am disgusted by Ozil's lack of effort.

He is genuinely a f**king disgrace.

2 -2 lol

1 minute ago, dkw said:

He is genuinely a f**king disgrace.

He's the perfect example of why stats can be misleading. 

that also was a great goal. 2-2 game on.

Ha, Mignolet shat his pants, awful goalkeeping 

that is awful keeping

need some yellow cards for the bets to come in, come on

Wtf is this game