Just now, axman2526 said:

Worried about the supply of hot dogs Munk?

Worried about divots in the pitch. 

17 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

TBF we know what we're getting with Kepa, can Slonina be THAT much worse? All he needs to do is lock the basics down and he should be fine. I wouldn't be completely against the idea of giving Slonina 25 games this season when we can because realistically we aren't going to challenge for the title anyway and we know Kepa is conceding 50% of shots from outside the box anyway. I remember SAF having a year of pain with DDG in net then they reaped the rewards for the next decade.

https://scores.nbcsports.com/epl/player_leaders.asp?category=107

3 hours ago, reparto corse said:

https://scores.nbcsports.com/epl/player_leaders.asp?category=107

Yeah but this doesn’t show crosses or command of area. 

7 hours ago, reparto corse said:

https://scores.nbcsports.com/epl/player_leaders.asp?category=107

Not really sure what you’re trying to show here

On 17/06/2023 at 16:38, RIP Mourinho said:

Not really sure what you’re trying to show here

3rd best save percentage in the PL last season ... and you say things like "Slonina can`t be worse than Kepa"

1 hour ago, reparto corse said:

3rd best save percentage in the PL last season ... and you say things like "Slonina can`t be worse than Kepa"

It makes me wince when the likes of Navas, Sanchez and Meslier are proposed as Kepa alternatives as they are all comfortably in the bottom five of the save percentages. Interesting to see how poor Ederson is as well !

Edited June 18, 20233 yr by Sexyfootball

I wrote the following paragraph in the Cucurella thread where, inexplicably, the discussion was focused on Kepa. 

Kepa is a decent enough reactionary shot stopper but his overall skillset is not good enough. Claiming crosses / corners, positioning, long range shot stopping. Very similar to De Gea. Neither are world class. 

We need to have a much more commanding and consistent keeper than Kepa. Happy to have him as a number 2 though.

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

It makes me wince when the likes of Navas, Sanchez and Meslier are proposed as Kepa alternatives as they are all comfortably in the bottom five of the save percentages. Interesting to see how poor Ederson is as well !

I could swear Navas was MOTM everytime I watched him for Forest (apart from at The Bridge) but fair enough.

Still though, it's half a season of sample size compared to his entire career.

20 minutes ago, Argo said:

I could swear Navas was MOTM everytime I watched him for Forest (apart from at The Bridge) but fair enough.

Still though, it's half a season of sample size compared to his entire career.

True, but at 36 years old Navas is absolutely at the end of his career so this may now be his level ... I guess we shall see as next season unfolds !

6 hours ago, reparto corse said:

3rd best save percentage in the PL last season ... and you say things like "Slonina can`t be worse than Kepa"

This is why a simple eye test is always good, blatantly obvious for 5 season now that Kepa isn’t near good enough 

On 19/06/2023 at 03:09, RIP Mourinho said:

This is why a simple eye test is always good, blatantly obvious for 5 season now that Kepa isn’t near good enough 

Yes, but there is a big difference between "not good enough for a PL contender" and "worst GK ever, no one could be worse".

IMO Kepa is a average PL goalkeeper. Not quite good enough for us but decent.

Good with his feet, good close range shot stopping, good decision making when 1v1 against attackers, decent at penalties but bad long range shot stopper, bad at commanding his box at set pieces and crosses.

Definitely needs a second good keeper to push him

On 16/06/2023 at 16:49, RIP Mourinho said:

TBF we know what we're getting with Kepa, can Slonina be THAT much worse? All he needs to do is lock the basics down and he should be fine. I wouldn't be completely against the idea of giving Slonina 25 games this season when we can because realistically we aren't going to challenge for the title anyway and we know Kepa is conceding 50% of shots from outside the box anyway. I remember SAF having a year of pain with DDG in net then they reaped the rewards for the next decade.

I think it will be better for Slonina to go on loan somewhere to prove himself. 

It is difficult for any manager tor trust young Gk. There is simply no room for error. If you make mistake it is 99% goal for your opp. 

 

8 hours ago, reparto corse said:

Yes, but there is a big difference between "not good enough for a PL contender" and "worst GK ever, no one could be worse".

IMO Kepa is a average PL goalkeeper. Not quite good enough for us but decent.

Good with his feet, good close range shot stopping, good decision making when 1v1 against attackers, decent at penalties but bad long range shot stopper, bad at commanding his box at set pieces and crosses.

Totally agree with you. I think that we should upgrade on Kepa, but I don't think that he 's as bad as some write him.

Henderson would be an upgrade. Perhaps a sneaky mount swap with him... 

8 hours ago, reparto corse said:

Yes, but there is a big difference between "not good enough for a PL contender" and "worst GK ever, no one could be worse".

IMO Kepa is a average PL goalkeeper. Not quite good enough for us but decent.

Good with his feet, good close range shot stopping, good decision making when 1v1 against attackers, decent at penalties but bad long range shot stopper, bad at commanding his box at set pieces and crosses.

Don't remember saying worst GK ever, you're making things up.

All the things you've listed he's not very good at are HUGE characteristics of a GK. We won a CL with Mendy because he was able to stop shots from outside the box and command his area. I suppose if we want to win we should scrap the defence completely and just stick more bodies in the midfield seeing as Kepa can only save close range shots. 

I'm fine with him for one more season because next season is just a year to rebuild imo, but we won't win anything with Kepa as number one. I see no reason not to give Slonina minutes against lesser opposition if we don't sign a Mendy replacement. 

I'm honestly surprised you're so upset about what i said. You've basically agreed with what i put about Slonina only needing to lock down the basics (Good with his feet, good close range shot stopping, good decision making when 1v1 against attackers) to surpass him. Very bizarre reply from you.

7 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Henderson would be an upgrade. Perhaps a sneaky mount swap with him... 

£120k a week for a player only being chased by Forest. Exactly the kind of signing we shouldn't be making, would just be a stop gap. Sign elite or high potential or just use what we have imo. Dean Henderson stinks of a Zappacosta-esque signing. 

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

£120k a week for a player only being chased by Forest. Exactly the kind of signing we shouldn't be making, would just be a stop gap. Sign elite or high potential or just use what we have imo. Dean Henderson stinks of a Zappacosta-esque signing. 

Solid keeper and an upgrade on what we have. Can catch a ball and makes a lot of saves and command an area.. all the stuff Mendy can do but he's been written off. Just can't play out from the back which is some kind of new obsession everyone has with keepers. Might end up between the sticks for United this season. Isn't De Get off? 120K is probably cheaper than what Kept is on given he was a world record signing for a keeper. 

 

Either way, I'd be happy with Mendy next season. Lloris is awful with his feet as well so Pochettino might just want a wall, which we all know Wendy can be. 

 

 

18 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Just can't play out from the back which is some kind of new obsession everyone has with keepers.

It's an "obsession" for a reason, however largely irrelevant in this case as Kepa isn't even good at it.

Edited June 20, 20233 yr by Argo

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

It's an "obsession" for a reason, however largely irrelevant in this case as Kepa isn't even good at it.

Why is it an obsession? If the team in front of a keeper drops deep and you want to play out the back, a simple pass along the floor works or roll it to feet. There is also the art of throwing the ball, remember Peter Schmicheal or however he spells his name, could set up an attack by pooping the ball over the midfield. A controlled over arm throw is far more accurate than kicking. The second best option keepers have is to drop it on the corner of the half way line, retaining possession or it going out in a safe area. If you have two keepers in your squad who don't have accurate kicking then the team has to compensate by dropping into positions and either play it to the strong foot or not back to the keeper. 

3 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Why is it an obsession? If the team in front of a keeper drops deep and you want to play out the back, a simple pass along the floor works or roll it to feet. There is also the art of throwing the ball, remember Peter Schmicheal or however he spells his name, could set up an attack by pooping the ball over the midfield. A controlled over arm throw is far more accurate than kicking. The second best option keepers have is to drop it on the corner of the half way line, retaining possession or it going out in a safe area. If you have two keepers in your squad who don't have accurate kicking then the team has to compensate by dropping into positions and either play it to the strong foot or not back to the keeper. 

Because a keeper with the ability to evade a press and wipe out multiple players with one pass is a massive asset. It also makes a team think twice about pressing so high.

Pep before the UCL final specifically pointed out how Onana's ball playing ability would make it harder for City.

https://football-italia.net/guardiola-cant-hide-hes-a-big-fan-of-inter-keeper-and-chelsea-target-onana/

18 minutes ago, Argo said:

Because a keeper with the ability to evade a press and wipe out multiple players with one pass is a massive asset. It also makes a team think twice about pressing so high.

Pep before the UCL final specifically pointed out how Onana's ball playing ability would make it harder for City.

https://football-italia.net/guardiola-cant-hide-hes-a-big-fan-of-inter-keeper-and-chelsea-target-onana/

I want a keeper to keep the ball out the net... catch high balls and command the area. How many keepers in todays game actually can take out a press. If it is so concerning, why do so many keepers fail to beat the press? Why did Onana end up on the losing side in champions league final? It wasn't because the keeper could evade the press. 

4 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

I want a keeper to keep the ball out the net... catch high balls and command the area. How many keepers in todays game actually can take out a press. If it is so concerning, why do so many keepers fail to beat the press? Why did Onana end up on the losing side in champions league final? It wasn't because the keeper could evade the press. 

Why does it have to be the one or the other? Yes ofcourse keepers have to be good at saving shots aswell but it still doesn't change the fact that keepers good with distribution is a huge advantage in this day and age.

Around ten years ago there was similar resistance towards attacking fullbacks, fast forward to now one of them is the first name on our teamsheet and arguably our most important player in the attacking phase.

I don't think there is a resistance to it tbh. I just think that teams should play to strengths. We did alright with big Pete who was absolutely awful at distribution with his feet. Didnt matter one bit. it doesn't if the defenders in front of the keeper are ballers. JT, Ricky, Gallas, Luiz. defenders confident the ball don't need to use the keeper. If the players are all moving out of possession it makes the pass easier. Plus if you want to evade the press play with forwards who retain the ball when it does evade the press. 

 

For all our attacking fullbacks, we haven't been able to score goals. IF we had an attacker who did stick the ball away the role of the fullbacks is diminished. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Argo said:

Why does it have to be the one or the other? Yes ofcourse keepers have to be good at saving shots aswell but it still doesn't change the fact that keepers good with distribution is a huge advantage in this day and age.

Around ten years ago there was similar resistance towards attacking fullbacks, fast forward to now one of them is the first name on our teamsheet and arguably our most important player in the attacking phase.

Additionally all of the kids coming through can all play with the ball at their feet. When my lad came through that was one of the things that got him in, because of his ability on the ball. Now all of the young keepers can play. By now there should be just as many keepers good on the ball than those not. Being good with your feet doesn't necessarily mean you're sh*t at everything else of course.

The coming for crosses thing is a different school of thought nowadays as well.