Gilmour will be good but he's not ready for regular PL action yet.

His best position isn't a question for me, it's DLP.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Gilmour will be good but he's not ready for regular PL action yet.

His best position isn't a question for me, it's DLP.

DLP - defensive, left ............?

12 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

DLP - defensive, left ............?

Deep lying playmaker, Jorginho's eventual successor in other words.

40 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

I would like to see Alonso back in the team, just think he gives us something extra in attack.

I've been one of those criticising Kante in his advanced position yet think in left midfield covering Alonso's forward forays would work as Alonso adds a better attacking quality than some of our forward men.

I also would hope Gilmour goes straight to the team or bench not sure what midfield position he will fill yet looks quality.

For Leicester I would consider this:

                       Kepa

          Rudiger                       Tomori

James                                                  Alonso

          Gilmour                    Kante

                         Kovacic

Willian            Tammy          Mount

 

 

It would be the same problem as always, that team will hardly create anything.

Until we sign some creative players nothing will change. 

The stark reality is we need to buy in quality and we have all known this but seems we haven't prepared for some bizzare reason. 

Lampard has also realised that kids can take you so far. Although I am delighted to see homegrown talent finally being given a chance, we need some quality signings to help us out. I am actually surprised how we are still 4th.

45 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

Until we sign some creative players nothing will change. 

The stark reality is we need to buy in quality and we have all known this but seems we haven't prepared for some bizzare reason. 

I was very impressed by how Gilmour threaded those passes through the lines and he actually had a decent shot on target.

This is lamps is on about when says we create chances. We get into these promising positions, but nothing comes of it. Lack of kill instinct, lack of ability to engineer an opportunity. It doesnt go on the stats sheet as an xg or whatever, but we see passages of play like this every game.

41 minutes ago, big blue said:

This is lamps is on about when says we create chances. We get into these promising positions, but nothing comes of it. Lack of kill instinct, lack of ability to engineer an opportunity. It doesnt go on the stats sheet as an xg or whatever, but we see passages of play like this every game.

I remember seeing this chance and thinking i want to watch that again so thanks for posting... i just feel as i analyse this game 3 players in Ross, Pedro and Bats get it completely wrong.. Look at the three in this clip

 

 

Play 1 : We attack with CHO: Bats is poor in this. (Markers in Red)

In this play. Now Bats has two options either he makes a near post run taking the defender with him and opening up space for CHO to run into or he needs to check his run because at this point its clear he is running into an offside position.  .. . If he checks his run he again pulls the nearpost defender towards him giving CHO the option to go on the outside

 

Play 2: We attack with Ross: Both Pedro and Ross mess this up (Markers in Black)

Pedro .. he starts level with CHO but somehow is still behind the play when they arrive at the box!! for me in this entire play he is a big reason why we dont score.. he should have occupied the furthermost defender instead he is nothing but LAZY in not making the effort.. the defender steps up and cuts the angle for Barkley.. He was doing a professional pretend.. players who want to really score would have bust their gut to occupy the space shown with the arrow.

Barkley.. well  he needs to hit this first time and then his first touch was shocking .. instead of taking it on his right and taking the ball away from the defender he turns into 3 defenders and can do nothing more than a poor layoff to Pedro..

While its true we should never be losing or drawing the number of games we have.. .for me with certain players they simply dont work hard enough for themselves or the the team.. we still have enough quality to be wining against brighton, southampton etc.. 

 

 

Edited January 26, 20206 yr by Jangz

2 hours ago, big blue said:

This is lamps is on about when says we create chances. We get into these promising positions, but nothing comes of it. Lack of kill instinct, lack of ability to engineer an opportunity. It doesnt go on the stats sheet as an xg or whatever, but we see passages of play like this every game.

Lack of killer instinct/belief. If Lamps was one of those players receiving the ball he’d have got a shot away all day long. 

Also, what the f**k is that music!

25 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

Lack of killer instinct/belief. If Lamps was one of those players receiving the ball he’d have got a shot away all day long. 

Also, what the f**k is that music!

thats hilarious i had it muted, thought it just commentary. Didnt realize it was set the music from the 'visit cyprus ad'.

 

 

Edited January 26, 20206 yr by big blue

Well, in that case, Lamps should earn his money and coach them. Most clubs would be more than happy with our attacking personnel, and more than happy to have Barkley and Mount as AMs. Lately Frank has started blaming the players, which I'm always sceptical about. He's now saying we need new players and bemoaning the loss of Hazard whereas before he was always positive about our squad. Sometimes words don't have the desired effect. You can tell them to kill off teams till your blue in the face, just like you can tell them to pick up their man at set pieces. It's how you get your message across and it's how you coach them. I don't know why but it always seems to be the Chelsea manager who's moaning. I wish Frank wouldn't follow in that direction. He's let it be known he's not happy and he wants new players. I'd have far preferred if he'd kept that in-house.

Lampard said he was happy with Billy Gilmour, called him as the best player on the pitch when he came on. I wonder if he can add the quality that we lack coming from the bench...

2 hours ago, Davey Baby said:

Well, in that case, Lamps should earn his money and coach them. Most clubs would be more than happy with our attacking personnel, and more than happy to have Barkley and Mount as AMs. Lately Frank has started blaming the players, which I'm always sceptical about. He's now saying we need new players and bemoaning the loss of Hazard whereas before he was always positive about our squad. Sometimes words don't have the desired effect. You can tell them to kill off teams till your blue in the face, just like you can tell them to pick up their man at set pieces. It's how you get your message across and it's how you coach them. I don't know why but it always seems to be the Chelsea manager who's moaning. I wish Frank wouldn't follow in that direction. He's let it be known he's not happy and he wants new players. I'd have far preferred if he'd kept that in-house.

Can natural composure really be coached that much? Maybe to a point but give Barkley even Pep or prime Wenger and he will still have a nosebleed in the final third.

I remember Henry saying that when he was managed by Pep that he would get his players to the final third but once there it was down to them. 

39 minutes ago, Argo said:

Can natural composure really be coached that much? Maybe to a point but give Barkley even Pep or prime Wenger and he will still have a nosebleed in the final third.

I remember Henry saying that when he was managed by Pep that he would get his players to the final third but once there it was down to them. 

Barkley is very hit and miss, he's sometimes very good in the final third, then wasteful. But the Barkley experiment is out the window now for me, he's too sloppy I don't think he has a future here. We should get a decent sum for him even make a profit in the summer, he's 26 now. 

3 hours ago, Davey Baby said:

Well, in that case, Lamps should earn his money and coach them. Most clubs would be more than happy with our attacking personnel, and more than happy to have Barkley and Mount as AMs. Lately Frank has started blaming the players, which I'm always sceptical about. He's now saying we need new players and bemoaning the loss of Hazard whereas before he was always positive about our squad. Sometimes words don't have the desired effect. You can tell them to kill off teams till your blue in the face, just like you can tell them to pick up their man at set pieces. It's how you get your message across and it's how you coach them. I don't know why but it always seems to be the Chelsea manager who's moaning. I wish Frank wouldn't follow in that direction. He's let it be known he's not happy and he wants new players. I'd have far preferred if he'd kept that in-house.

I get where you’re coming from. I think he should keep some stuff in house too and is maybe too transparent in interviews at times. I also think he could be getting more out of our current players and don’t think new blood is going to solve our problems. That said, i don’t think Lampard is necessarily going ‘in that direction’ yet. I mean he was at pains to defend ‘Batshwawi’ from probing media yesterday (clearly frank thinks he’s a bit shxt but he held his ground and didn’t let them in ). I’m inclined to put these latest comments down to frustration and maybe some mind games with management since the window is open. Don’t want to see more of it though.

20 minutes ago, Dean said:

I get where you’re coming from. I think he should keep some stuff in house too and is maybe too transparent in interviews at times. I also think he could be getting more out of our current players and don’t think new blood is going to solve our problems. That said, i don’t think Lampard is necessarily going ‘in that direction’ yet. I mean he was at pains to defend ‘Batshwawi’ from probing media yesterday (clearly frank thinks he’s a bit shxt but he held his ground and didn’t let them in ). I’m inclined to put these latest comments down to frustration and maybe some mind games with management since the window is open. Don’t want to see more of it though.

Thing is though if he does not rate Batman why not pick Anjorin, Broja or another youth team forward?

 

It is like cannot you not clearly see Emerson is a joke of footballer? So how sh*t do Maatsen and the rest have to be to be behind him?

Edited January 26, 20206 yr by axman2526

5 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Thing is though if he does not rate Batman why not pick Anjorin, Broja or another youth team forward?

 

It is like cannot you not clearly see Emerson is a joke of footballer? So how sh*t do Maatsen and the rest have to be to be behind him?

The answer to all the above  is I just don’t know. 

3 minutes ago, Dean said:

The answer to all the above  is I just don’t know. 

That is fair Dean.

Lamps has shown he has the balls to follow his judgement in dumping Giroud, Pedro and Alonso after poor performances and rarely ever gave them another look in. Just not sure myself either as to why Emerson and Batman are exempt from the same treatment.

Imo Alonso, for all his flaws, offers vastly more than Emerson and Giroud the same compared to Batman.

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

That is fair Dean.

Lamps has shown he has the balls to follow his judgement in dumping Giroud, Pedro and Alonso after poor performances and rarely ever gave them another look in. Just not sure myself either as to why Emerson and Batman are exempt from the same treatment.

Imo Alonso, for all his flaws, offers vastly more than Emerson and Giroud the same compared to Batman.

I’ve tended to rate Giroud more than most over the years, but he really seems to have deteriorated this year and looked really slow the, what, 2 or 3 times he’s played this season. I also prefer Alonso to Emerson.

6 minutes ago, Dean said:

I’ve tended to rate Giroud more than most over the years, but he really seems to have deteriorated this year and looked really slow the, 

His timing coming here was poor. Even though he's known for being involved in some nice team goals he's never really suited the style of play of Wenger's Arsenal or us from Sarri onwards.

So really overall he's only for six months (here under Conte) played in a side that has played to his strengths.

Had we got him instead of Arsenal in 2012, I honestly believe he would have been a very good for us.

2 hours ago, Argo said:

Can natural composure really be coached that much? Maybe to a point but give Barkley even Pep or prime Wenger and he will still have a nosebleed in the final third.

I remember Henry saying that when he was managed by Pep that he would get his players to the final third but once there it was down to them. 

 

Barkley's numbers when he joined us were almost identical to Frank's, and at a similar age, but whether he's good enough is irrelevant to the point I'm making, if you don't mind my saying.

 

These are the tools at Frank's disposal, the players, and he has to do the best with what he's got, and they're pretty good. It's his job to make them better. It's his job to make them gel. It's his job to bring some cohesion to the attack.

 

As I said over a week ago, quoting an article that I read, "Modern football at the highest level is about structured gambits. Attacking, just as much as defending, is about organisation, about players knowing where to move so that when the chance comes, the play is semi-automatic and too rapid even for packed rearguards to repel."

 

Frank has spoken a lot about our finishing, too much for my liking. Now he's talking about the players, too much for my liking. He's making it known he's unhappy. In other words, he's absolving himself of blame when it comes to our inability to kill teams off, and he's wrong. A lot of this is about coaching. Creating chances at the highest level, against packed defences, against organised and disciplined sides, doesn't happen by accident, it happens on the training field, and telling your players repeatedly to put away their chances won't solve the issue. In fact, most games we play, we don't have many chances, despite Frank's protestations.

 

These are his players. Constantly saying they're not good enough in the press isn't a good idea and it doesn't make him look good, neither to me or the players themselves. Earlier this season, when speaking about the transfer ban possibly being lifted, he said we would only bring in players if it was right for the club, he said he was very happy with what he's got, now he's saying something else, now he desperately wants them. What changed? He's only worked with these players six months. What's changed? Coach them, like Brendan Rodgers is doing at Leicester. Coach them.

 

All managers want players but tell your board, don't tell the press. It's kind of a way of saying "this has nothing to do with me" and I don't like it. He's the manager. It has everything to do with him, whether he likes it or not, and our inability to turn possession into goals has far less to do with finishing and far more to do with coaching than he likes to admit.

I want to make clear that I'm delighted Frank's here, I love the fact he plays the kids, and I wouldn't want anybody else. I also posted long and hard in support of his appointment before he joined.

 

However he's our manager now and like every manager he'll be scrutinised, and that's what this thread is about, and people shouldn't be deterred from posting their view. He makes mistakes, like every coach, particularly because he's young and inexperienced, and we have to take that into account.

 

I'm not unhappy, I'm just commenting on what I see of his management thus far. We've got a big round of games coming up. Hopefuly he's going to draw a lot of praise after those games, and even if he doesn't, I'm sure he'll still have all our support.

1 hour ago, Dean said:

I get where you’re coming from. I think he should keep some stuff in house too and is maybe too transparent in interviews at times. I also think he could be getting more out of our current players and don’t think new blood is going to solve our problems. That said, i don’t think Lampard is necessarily going ‘in that direction’ yet. I mean he was at pains to defend ‘Batshwawi’ from probing media yesterday (clearly frank thinks he’s a bit shxt but he held his ground and didn’t let them in ). I’m inclined to put these latest comments down to frustration and maybe some mind games with management since the window is open. Don’t want to see more of it though.

Got to say Dean I respect how level headed you've been lately, I know it must be frustrating to see us lot lose our heads. 

On 24/01/2020 at 16:15, Davey Baby said:

Saw the presser. Frank said we are creating 20 chances per game and our problem is finishing. He has said this a lot lately. He is deluded. 20 shots per game does not equate to chances. Real bona fide chances are at a premium. I remember Morata missing loads of chances. I do not remember anyone this season missing loads. It simply hasn't happened.

2 clear cut chances against Hull and nobody can finish. 3rd chance in a big break away, nobody shoots the ball and the attack is ruined. Frank is correct, you as usually, are wrong.