31 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

How quickly will the PL and FA respond to this? If the PL relegate us maybe the football league will refuse us admission.

I imagine both UEFA and the football league will feel that their best chance of a compromise is to threaten to punish the clubs with immediate effect. What is the point of imposing a ban on them from 2022 if they are committed to leaving? Ban them from next season and then the clubs won't have any competition to play on for a year.

19 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I imagine both UEFA and the football league will feel that their best chance of a compromise is to threaten to punish the clubs with immediate effect. What is the point of imposing a ban on them from 2022 if they are committed to leaving? Ban them from next season and then the clubs won't have any competition to play on for a year.

As I said earlier I wouldn't be surprised if this is a negotiating position on behalf of the big clubs. The fact that Bayern and PSG have opted out says it is hardly a done deal. 

With no disrespect intended to our many American fans,  this is really the result of the Americanisation of football in recent seasons. It shouldn't surprise anyone that some of the key drivers are the American owners at Arsenal, Liverpool and Man Utd. Money before anything else. 

My biggest fear is that this will ruin our chances in the Champions League this season. Let's hope it's all sorted soonish. It would actually be great if we decided to opt out. I'd be very happy for us to compete in a CL with Bayern, PSG etc. 

Edited April 19, 20215 yr by Spiller86

8 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

As I said earlier I wouldn't be surprised if this is a negotiating position on behalf of the big clubs. The fact that Bayern and PSG have opted out says it is hardly a done deal. 

With no disrespect intended to our many American fans,  this is really the result of the Americanisation of football in recent seasons. It shouldn't surprise anyone that some of the key drivers are the American owners at Arsenal, Liverpool and Man Utd. Money before anything else. 

My biggest fear is that this will ruin our chances in the Champions League this season. Let's hope it's all sorted soonish. It would actually be great if we decided to opt out. I'd be very happy for us to compete in a CL with Bayern, PSG etc. 

I agree. Even if we end up getting cold feet there is a good chance this will impact our remaining games this season. Expect a massive backlash and rightly so. For many the future of football is on the line now. This article from Martin Samuel sums it up well:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9484831/MARTIN-SAMUEL-European-Super-League-plastic-competition-threatens-English-football.html#comments

I agree with him. Start with cancelling the Carabao Cup final next week.

37 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I imagine both UEFA and the football league will feel that their best chance of a compromise is to threaten to punish the clubs with immediate effect. What is the point of imposing a ban on them from 2022 if they are committed to leaving? Ban them from next season and then the clubs won't have any competition to play on for a year.

Could it happen sooner? Could ourselves, City and Real been thrown out of the CL and us out of the FA Cup? Could the PL void the results of the defector 6 from this season and remake the table?

Just now, axman2526 said:

Could it happen sooner? Could ourselves, City and Real been thrown out of the CL and us out of the FA Cup? Could the PL void the results of the defector 6 from this season and remake the table?

Anything is possible. The tougher the stance shown by UEFA and FA the better the chances they have of getting the 6 clubs to back out and stay put. I think most fans of other clubs would like to see the 6 breakaway clubs punished now not matter what. 

This is the biggest poker game I have seen. Basically the big club want guarantee ucl places and more portion of the pie and more control. 

The loser of this scheme are smaller european side like Leicester, napoli, Sevilla, etc. 

Will it dilute the league? For sure, after making sure we are safe from relegation and since we are not contender there is nothing to play for in the league. It really doesn't matter if we are 4,5 or 15. We will lose a bit more money but we can get more in super league. We pretty much will treat league game like carabao cup

 

I am still trying to figure out when the proposed new league starts. I had heard 2022 mentioned but all the articles refer to August. If that is the case the Premier League will have to figure out a plan and quickly. Looking at the current table it would mean next year's Champions League spots go to Leicester, West Ham, Everton, and Leeds I imagine.

2 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

This is the biggest poker game I have seen. Basically the big club want guarantee ucl places and more portion of the pie and more control. 

The loser of this scheme are smaller european side like Leicester, napoli, Sevilla, etc. 

Will it dilute the league? For sure, after making sure we are safe from relegation and since we are not contender there is nothing to play for in the league. It really doesn't matter if we are 4,5 or 15. We will lose a bit more money but we can get more in super league. We pretty much will treat league game like carabao cup

 

Which is precisely why the Premier League will not want us and the other 5 teams involved. The fans would all know it was meaningless so it will be better to have a competitive league without these 6 teams.

21 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I agree. Even if we end up getting cold feet there is a good chance this will impact our remaining games this season. Expect a massive backlash and rightly so. For many the future of football is on the line now. This article from Martin Samuel sums it up well:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9484831/MARTIN-SAMUEL-European-Super-League-plastic-competition-threatens-English-football.html#comments

I agree with him. Start with cancelling the Carabao Cup final next week.

While I forgot about the league cup he is suggesting what I suggested could well happen in part as far as league, FA cup and CL go. 

Quick action will be needed and by the sounds of which us and City we the last to cave and join. Which may end up costing us the FA cup and both of us a shot at the CL.

7 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I am still trying to figure out when the proposed new league starts. I had heard 2022 mentioned but all the articles refer to August. If that is the case the Premier League will have to figure out a plan and quickly. Looking at the current table it would mean next year's Champions League spots go to Leicester, West Ham, Everton, and Leeds I imagine.

PL will be expected to lead the way as 6 of their members are behind this and that is completely against the laws of the game. None of us are permitted to join another competition without permission of the League.

Which, as much as I hate it as a Chelsea fan, means I feel they need threaten the clubs that they have say 14 days to withdraw from this action or they will have to void the results of all 6 clubs from this season, expell them from the league and award the respective points from those games to the other 14 clubs. No relegation, top 5 from the Championship promoted, 6 to 9 in playoffs, continued this way down for the rest of the leagues.

Another thing that is a bit sickening about this is the club (well, I say club, it's more like the Roman Abramovich and his people) are happy to risk expulsion from domestic competitions for this. However unlikely some people may think that is, they were still willing to take that risk, without any care for how the fans would feel about that. Even if the whole thing collapses, UEFA and the Premier League could still sanction us, and they are comfortable taking that risk. 

Roman Abramovich has given us so much since he took over the club, but this feels like a massive betrayal. I don't see any way back from this, he will be hated by the fanbase going forward.

Edited April 19, 20215 yr by Scott Harris

2 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Another thing that is a bit sickening about this is the club (well, I say club, it's more like the Roman Abramovich and his people) is that they are happy to risk expulsion from domestic competitions for this. However unlikely some people may think that is, they were still willing to take that risk, without any care for how the fans would feel about that. Even if the whole thing collapses, UEFA and the Premier League could still sanction us, and they are comfortable taking that risk. 

Roman Abramovich has given us so much since he took over the club, but this feels like a massive betrayal. I don't see any way back from this, he will be hated by the fanbase going forward.

Good point, and a stupid risk he took as he is actually so well loved as an owner that he recieved only small backlash for sacking Frank.

United and Arsenal fans hate their owners. Liverpool and Spurs fans dont care for theirs, city fans are sort of grateful but not to the degree we are.

We will end up the biggest losers of this I feel.

4 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

While I forgot about the league cup he is suggesting what I suggested could well happen in part as far as league, FA cup and CL go. 

Quick action will be needed and by the sounds of which us and City we the last to cave and join. Which may end up costing us the FA cup and both of us a shot at the CL.

PL will be expected to lead the way as 6 of their members are behind this and that is completely against the laws of the game. None of us are permitted to join another competition without permission of the League.

Which, as much as I hate it as a Chelsea fan, means I feel they need threaten the clubs that they have say 14 days to withdraw from this action or they will have to void the results of all 6 clubs from this season, expell them from the league and award the respective points from those games to the other 14 clubs. No relegation, top 5 from the Championship promoted, 6 to 9 in playoffs, continued this way down for the rest of the leagues.

Totally agree. I am still hoping that maybe our fans will somehow make Roman have a rethink if he was on the fence a little. Either way to do this now, even if the club backtracked the damage has been massively done, and I think the whole board would have to go to restore any sort of reputation for the club's name.

Apparently Liverpool have gone a step further by leaving the European Club Association meaning they can no longer play in UEFA competitions. I believe out of the 12 only them and Juve have done this so far.

5 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Another thing that is a bit sickening about this is the club (well, I say club, it's more like the Roman Abramovich and his people) is that they are happy to risk expulsion from domestic competitions for this. However unlikely some people may think that is, they were still willing to take that risk, without any care for how the fans would feel about that. Even if the whole thing collapses, UEFA and the Premier League could still sanction us, and they are comfortable taking that risk. 

Roman Abramovich has given us so much since he took over the club, but this feels like a massive betrayal. I don't see any way back from this, he will be hated by the fanbase going forward.

Expulsion risk is very2 little. PL need their big club otherwise they can say bye2 to all the crazy tv contract that they have right now

5 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Another thing that is a bit sickening about this is the club (well, I say club, it's more like the Roman Abramovich and his people) is that they are happy to risk expulsion from domestic competitions for this. However unlikely some people may think that is, they were still willing to take that risk, without any care for how the fans would feel about that. Even if the whole thing collapses, UEFA and the Premier League could still sanction us, and they are comfortable taking that risk. 

Roman Abramovich has given us so much since he took over the club, but this feels like a massive betrayal. I don't see any way back from this, he will be hated by the fanbase going forward.

I think the statement by the Chelsea Supporters Trust was posted on this thread somewhere. It sounds like they meet regularly with the board but were totally blindsided by this announcement. So yes betrayal would sum it up well. Will also be interesting to see what players and manager think about this. I suspect most of them knew very little too. 

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

Expulsion risk is very2 little. PL need their big club otherwise they can say bye2 to all the crazy tv contract that they have right now

That TV money would not be there even if we stay in the league. Why would TV companies pay big bucks for the equivalent of the Carabao Cup to the big teams.

4 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Totally agree. I am still hoping that maybe our fans will somehow make Roman have a rethink if he was on the fence a little. Either way to do this now, even if the club backtracked the damage has been massively done, and I think the whole board would have to go to restore any sort of reputation for the club's name.

Apparently Liverpool have gone a step further by leaving the European Club Association meaning they can no longer play in UEFA competitions. I believe out of the 12 only them and Juve have done this so far.

Both Juve and Liverpool are out of Europe already. Bet they would not have been so bold had they still been so.

Another point, do not transfers and signing players have to be ratified by Fifa, UEFA and the FA. Cause if that is right they may refuse to allow these 12 clubs to do so.

4 minutes ago, forbzy said:

That TV money would not be there even if we stay in the league. Why would TV companies pay big bucks for the equivalent of the Carabao Cup to the big teams.

I am not so sure about the TV money will drop bif time because take for examples NBA, tv money is still very2 big although league game are meaningless. 

32 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Which is precisely why the Premier League will not want us and the other 5 teams involved. The fans would all know it was meaningless so it will be better to have a competitive league without these 6 teams.

Yup that is why all the leagues fa condemn super league. It will turn pl into 2nd class competition.

But We have to see how everything unfold i gues. This is a very big poker game that is played in opportune time. If they do it with supporters in, they will have massive nightmare handling protest from everyone during the game

 

What have the board and Roman done? They may well have destroyed our club...holy sh*t...

Is it supposed to start from this August? Assume UEFA will kick out all participating teams which means Top 4 is meaningless.

This is the final part of footballs journey, from being a ‘working class’ sport to money driven global entertainment business. 

Not what I signed up for when I fell in love with the game as a young lad. VAR, Tik Tok generation of players, the game gradually moving towards being a non contact sport.

Football can f**k off. 

So some facts (as far as I understand the info given) 

-15 biggest clubs in the world form a new league. Competition is NOT under UEFA or FIFA. Those 2 organizations stand to lose massive amounts of money. 

-15 biggest clubs, if things go like they have planned, will get much more money in this new system. 

-Domestic leagues: 15 biggest clubs will not have to make top 4 to make this Super League

-Champions League: 15 biggest clubs can't take part in the CL. CL will end as it is. 

-Domestic Cups: No change there. 

 

This is essentially ‘If I can’t win then I’m taking my ball home’ at the highest level possible. 
 

Arsenal, Tottenham & AC Milan ‘top European clubs’? Two haven’t seen Champions League for donkeys and one has only been in it two seconds. 

https://www.forbes.com/soccer-valuations/list/

No matter the current league position. The brand is what guides the thing. Like it or not. 

This is not the revolution I had hoped for. UEFA and FIFA are corrupt organisations with deplorable records in dealing with racism, homophobia and sexism, and are themselves parasites that leech the finances of clubs around the world, but this is not the way forward.

Football completes its transition from sport, where the guiding principle is competition, to mere entertainment.

In doing so football will learn a very harsh economic lesson; "entertainment" is fickle and ever-shifting in its standards. In today's world an entertainment product that is almost entirely geared to male tastes will have a very, very short shelf-life. Since entertainment rather than competition is the goal, we will see rule change after rule change until the element of competition is suppressed.

The characters in this gross parody are equal parts shady and incompetent. The cast reads of a thousand inflated egos and blowhards. A professional league run by Florentino Perez, Andrea Agnelli and Joel Glazer? Three men who some how make a molehill out of profitable mountains; Perez and Glazer saddled their clubs with immeasurable debt, saved only by a television-rights bubble in the mid 00s that allowed them to make the payments serviceable. Agnelli somehow contrives to destabilise the only stable club in Italy. Three men who reap credit where they did not sow, who had little if any part in their clubs' on-field success in the past decade and in the case of Glazer, actively worked against it.

How then will the mob of loudmouth fools act when the promised $6.5bn doesn't arrive? When advertising revenues shrink because the media rights bubble is burst? When the competition is no longer 'entertaining' because Barcelona win everything? These are not men anyone can have any faith in to achieve anything.