Chelsea v West Ham (PL) Sun 24th Apr 2022 14:00 GMT

[coco]

[Zeta]

4th home defeat in a row?

[Munkworth]

Just now, Zeta said:

4th home defeat in a row?

[axman2526]

2 hours ago, Zeta said:

4th home defeat in a row?

Can we break a record with that?

[forbzy]

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Can we break a record with that?

No although we would have to go back further. I remember my first season as a season ticket holder was 78-79 when we were relegated with 5 league wins all season. We lost our first 4 at home that season - Everton, Leeds, City, and WBA.

[axman2526]

After Brentford and Real round one TT let the players have it. After today and his presser he sounded ready to tare them apart. Be interesting to see if we get an improved attitude for the rest of the season or if the players are done with this season and perhaps with TT as well.

[mojo]

Thomas confirmed Rudi is not ok and he will not play against WH

[Jezz]

7 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Can we break a record with that?

Sadly, it's the first time since November 1993 that we've lost three consecutive home games in all competitions.

[Munkworth]

52 minutes ago, mojo said:

Thomas confirmed Rudi is not ok and he will not play against WH

[forbzy]

4 hours ago, Jezz said:

Sadly, it's the first time since November 1993 that we've lost three consecutive home games in all competitions.

I remember that run. That was the early days of Hoddle and resulted in us being bottom of the league at Christmas.

[Backbiter]

Just now, forbzy said:

I remember that run. That was the early days of Hoddle and resulted in us being bottom of the league at Christmas.

I seem to remember Hoddle then bought Mark Stein, who went on a phenomenal scoring run and lifted us away from danger.

[strider6004]

Aha remember Stein getting the winner at Upton Park hopefully we beat them this time too.

[forbzy]

27 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

Aha remember Stein getting the winner at Upton Park hopefully we beat them this time too.

Yes Stein's goals turned it around for us that season. Starting at Southampton in a game we lost, I think he scored in 7 consecutive league games.

[axman2526]

8 hours ago, mojo said:

Thomas confirmed Rudi is not ok and he will not play against WH

Does not matter the line up if we do not have motivation and drive we lose. Simple. West Ham fans will outsing us like Arsenals did yesterday, that won't help.

We have as big a problem in midfield as we do defence, and I feel TT needs to make a statement to show he was wrong and so were the players. With that in mind I advocate he goes to a 433 and slaps a few wrists by dropping those who performed the poorest yesterday.

 

Kepa

 

James

Chalobah

Silva

Kenedy

 

Mount or Barkley

Jorginho 

Saul or Barkley

 

Ziyech

Havertz

Werner

 

The level of performance from Mendy, Alonso, Sarr, Christensen, Dave, Kante, RLC and Lukaku was unacceptable and I would see them dropped for this as a kick up the behind. For some (Lukaku, AC and Sarr) I expect this makes no difference whatsoever, but for others we can hope.

[Gol15]

41 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Does not matter the line up if we do not have motivation and drive we lose. Simple. West Ham fans will outsing us like Arsenals did yesterday, that won't help.

We have as big a problem in midfield as we do defence, and I feel TT needs to make a statement to show he was wrong and so were the players. With that in mind I advocate he goes to a 433 and slaps a few wrists by dropping those who performed the poorest yesterday.

 

Kepa

 

James

Chalobah

Silva

Kenedy

 

Mount or Barkley

Jorginho 

Saul or Barkley

 

Ziyech

Havertz

Werner

 

The level of performance from Mendy, Alonso, Sarr, Christensen, Dave, Kante, RLC and Lukaku was unacceptable and I would see them dropped for this as a kick up the behind. For some (Lukaku, AC and Sarr) I expect this makes no difference whatsoever, but for others we can hope.

If he puts out that lineup I can see the majority of fans fuming before the game starts, though at this point most possible lineups that we can play look kind of like a weak team.

Anyway it's just so risky to play a standard 4-3-3, West Ham can go 3-4-2-1 like last time and then we're outnumbered in the midfield, play a high defensive line and lose 1 ball and that's another easy goal conceded.

                  Mendy
Azpilicueta T.Silva Christensen
James  Jorginho   RLC   Alonso
           Havertz   Mount
                   Werner

Let Werner press and he'll do his job, goals to come from James and Alonso.
Play Kai and Mason as the 2 number 8's as it was the dream for Lampard, cause lots of problems like Arsenal's Odengaard and Smith-Rowe did to us.
Save Kante for Man United and if we're in trouble take out Havertz in order to save him a little bit for Man United and play:
      Mount
Lukaku Werner

Edited April 21, 2022 by Gol15

[strider6004]

Likely to be facing Bowen, Antonio and Lanzini don't fancy Christensen against Antonio at all.

Bowen normally on the right so likely to be up against Alonso and then Christensen, Bowen likes a dribble. 

Lanzini capable of scoring outside the box if given time and space. 

Don't know much about Vlasic and they normally have Yarmolenko on the bench.

[axman2526]

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

If he puts out that lineup I can see the majority of fans fuming before the game starts, though at this point most possible lineups that we can play look kind of like a weak team.

Anyway it's just so risky to play a standard 4-3-3, West Ham can go 3-4-2-1 like last time and then we're outnumbered in the midfield, play a high defensive line and lose 1 ball and that's another easy goal conceded.

                  Mendy
Azpilicueta T.Silva Christensen
James  Jorginho   RLC   Alonso
           Havertz   Mount
                   Werner

Let Werner press and he'll do his job, goals to come from James and Alonso.
Play Kai and Mason as the 2 number 8's as it was the dream for Lampard, cause lots of problems like Arsenal's Odengaard and Smith-Rowe did to us.
Save Kante for Man United and if we're in trouble take out Havertz in order to save him a little bit for Man United and play:
      Mount
Lukaku Werner

He won't pick my suggested side in a million years, I know that. Whichever lineup he picks I think most of us will be unhappy as the quality is lacking. 

Side you suggested is weaker midfieldwise than mine imo gol, 1 less body.

Either way I think our players are mentally checked out and what happened in real broke them. Have to wait for next season and see what the new owners bring.

[Gol15]

1 hour ago, strider6004 said:

Likely to be facing Bowen, Antonio and Lanzini don't fancy Christensen against Antonio at all.

Bowen normally on the right so likely to be up against Alonso and then Christensen, Bowen likes a dribble. 

Lanzini capable of scoring outside the box if given time and space. 

Don't know much about Vlasic and they normally have Yarmolenko on the bench.

I know but Rudiger can't play so hopefully T.Silva makes Christensen a bit better. The other option is to play Azpilicueta on the other side maybe?

29 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

He won't pick my suggested side in a million years, I know that. Whichever lineup he picks I think most of us will be unhappy as the quality is lacking. 

Side you suggested is weaker midfieldwise than mine imo gol, 1 less body.

Either way I think our players are mentally checked out and what happened in real broke them. Have to wait for next season and see what the new owners bring.

Yea but centrally you got Mount and Havertz coming deep so that's 2 players working off the ball in front of Jorginho and RLC. They shouldn't be mentally broken after losing in Madrid, they are professionals and they should be used to losing games and moving on. I somehow believe that the loss against Arsenal probably made the players more upset than the loss against Real Madrid...

[axman2526]

Just now, Gol15 said:

Yea but centrally you got Mount and Havertz coming deep so that's 2 players working off the ball in front of Jorginho and RLC. They shouldn't be mentally broken after losing in Madrid, they are professionals and they should be used to losing games and moving on. I somehow believe that the loss against Arsenal probably made the players more upset than the loss against Real Madrid...

Is not Kais game to come deep, in past for us when he did he would lose the ball often. Mason I agree being deeper with his work rate will work but the structure of a 3 and having a holder in jorgi would be better than him and RLC being a two imo.

They should be able to bounce back, but how else do you explain that performance. Palace were poor against us, it was not a test, Arsenal wanted it and we did not. The players played like they are broken, the the CL knockout ended their season and they feel 3rd is safe and that the cup final is lost already.

They played like players waiting for the summer break.

[Gol15]

Just now, axman2526 said:

Is not Kais game to come deep, in past for us when he did he would lose the ball often. Mason I agree being deeper with his work rate will work but the structure of a 3 and having a holder in jorgi would be better than him and RLC being a two imo.

They should be able to bounce back, but how else do you explain that performance. Palace were poor against us, it was not a test, Arsenal wanted it and we did not. The players played like they are broken, the the CL knockout ended their season and they feel 3rd is safe and that the cup final is lost already.

They played like players waiting for the summer break.

Kai is more more than just a false 9 striker, what made us go for him was mainly his AM performances and I'm sure he can do a lot in that role too specially if given a little bit of space, before he was new to the team and now he's 22 years old with more experience. With that said, Tuchel will only play him as a striker.

Palace always has a gameplan against us and when we score first they crumble but it's not as easy as the scoreline suggests.

Arsenal against us has nothing to lose, they played without pressure and they took what we gave them. Did you see Dave after the game he was arguing with a fan so it's not like they didn't want to win. They outsmarted us and if Tuchel doesn't solve some problems West Ham might do it too and then they will really look like they're broken...

[axman2526]

12 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Kai is more more than just a false 9 striker, what made us go for him was mainly his AM performances and I'm sure he can do a lot in that role too specially if given a little bit of space, before he was new to the team and now he's 22 years old with more experience. With that said, Tuchel will only play him as a striker.

Palace always has a gameplan against us and when we score first they crumble but it's not as easy as the scoreline suggests.

Arsenal against us has nothing to lose, they played without pressure and they took what we gave them. Did you see Dave after the game he was arguing with a fan so it's not like they didn't want to win. They outsmarted us and if Tuchel doesn't solve some problems West Ham might do it too and then they will really look like they're broken...

Dave wanted to win. He always does, so does Silva. Is what makes them leaders.

Did Lukaku? Did AC? Did Sarr, Alonso, RLC etc. I don't believe it bothered them at all.

[Sconnie Blue]

8 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Did Lukaku? Did AC? Did Sarr, Alonso, RLC etc. I don't believe it bothered them at all.

The issue with having so many players that have uncertain futures. 

I can't express enough that new ownership has to focus on self sustainability and efficient scouting because our spending in the past 5 years and sacking of managers has set us back tremendously. 

[Malcolm9]

Get Saul & Barkley involved, I'm tired of Kova, RLC, Kante & Jorginho.

[Mana]

4 minutes ago, Malcolm9 said:

Get Saul & Barkley involved

Are you serious? They have been benched for a reason. 

But this goes to show how bad our depth is. None of these players are good enough.

[doctorblue]

No more f**king about by Tuchel with this one...think it's time Kepa got a game as I've not been impressed with Mendy for a while now...and Christensen might as well be wearing his Barcelona top...Sarr isn't good enough for our first team (and no sign of Kenedy either) so Dave will have to move across to LB to cover for George Michael...

Kepa

Chalobah Silva Dave

James Kante RLC Alonso

Mount Havertz Werner

Edited April 22, 2022 by doctorblue