12 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Just playing devils advocate here but weren't Arsenal in the European conference league then? CBA to go a find their games but wouldn't he have been coming up against some seriously shocking teams to stat pad against. Goals conceded fairly similar we just quite clearly don't have a striker still.

I'll do the BA for you ... they were in the Europa League that season, but had already advanced past the group stage before Arteta took over.

Under Arteta, they lost in the first knockout round (round of 32) to Olympiakos on away goals (one win one loss basically) so no stat padding 🙂 

31 minutes ago, coco said:

I think he's got 12 weeks to turn it around, 3 months to this day is our last game of the season, 14 league games and 1-6 CL games, probably 15 games will decide his fate, starting this weekend with Leeds.

Now the question is what does he have to do between now and then to win the supporters who have have declared "he has to go"?

Lets just say we do improve and start scoring again, and performances look a lot better, what does he need from the last 14 league games ?

We have three tough away fixtures MU, Arse, City, i think he needs to win one of these at least.

I think this is what he needs minimum......

W8 D3 L2 GD+10 

 

I would say that is a reasonable target to aim for, although first Iwant us to get the 9 points or so that will secure our Premier League spot 😉 

On current form it is hard to imagine us winning many more games this season, but that could change and will do hopefully.

11 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Hard to argue Arsenal stat padding when we had the chance to stat pad against the worst team in the league at home, but ended up losing 0-1....

Arsenal also had some utter gash at the time in Mustafi, Bellerin, Pablo Mari, Kolasinac, Sokratis, Pepe, etc 

That was partly thanks to him playing them while ignoring the talent he had. Even as far forward as the Lukaku debut game he could have possibly avoided by not constantly loaning out Saliba.

Even the one we was playing (Saka) he was largely playing as a wingback.

Just now, Argo said:

That was partly thanks to him playing them while ignoring the talent he had. Even as far forward as the Lukaku debut game he could have possibly avoided by not constantly loaning out Saliba.

Even the one we was playing (Saka) he was largely playing as a wingback.

Even worse he still has a better record than Potter. 

8 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

I'll do the BA for you ... they were in the Europa League that season, but had already advanced past the group stage before Arteta took over.

Under Arteta, they lost in the first knockout round (round of 32) to Olympiakos on away goals (one win one loss basically) so no stat padding 🙂 

So what you're saying is Arteta was knocked out of a weaker European competition against a league 1 standard team and zero European football to worry about for the rest of the season to overcrowd his schedule? Or a world cup to interrupt 6 weeks of his season too..

11 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

That would be blooming perfect wouldn't it?

That is always going to be a risk. New manager comes in and doesn't want half of the new signings. I imagine that is why Vivell and team (who identified the players signed in past window) are involved in decision for any new managers. That being said I cannot see a manager refusing to join because we have committed to signing one player that they don't want.

With regards to the Arteta benchmark, the reason I find it annoying is because Arsenal haven't won anything yet. They could still very well end this season trophy less and I sincerely doubt they will replicate this kind of form next season when all the other clubs have strengthened. 

28 minutes ago, coco said:

Some people will just dig in and refuse to support him no matter, happened to Tuchel, even with a CL final win. 

I only want to know ....

P14 W? D? L? GD?

It would take him W8 D2 L4 at least to convince me we're going somewhere with Potter

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So what you're saying is Arteta was knocked out of a weaker European competition against a league 1 standard team and zero European football to worry about for the rest of the season to overcrowd his schedule? Or a world cup to interrupt 6 weeks of his season too..

 

Bloody hell LOL. You're losing your credibility as a poster even faster than enigma now !

 

11 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Even worse he still has a better record than Potter. 

The subjects can be looked at separately.

Arteta was partly at fault for Arsenal's team being so bad for his first year or so, he shouldn't be made a victim of his poor decision making.

2 hours ago, enigma said:

 If you seriously don't think Potter has had a arguably a more difficult time at Chelsea than any other since Roman took over then not sure what to tell you.

No, Tuchel had the worst time of any manager that has managed Chelsea Football Club.

And Potter is responsible for putting out 20+ different Starting XI's. He is also the one who delivers half time team talks and also in charge of substitutions.

Yet, after 6 months on the job, he still doesn't know what combination of players he wants to stick to. The patterns of play is basically a worse attempt at copying Tuchel. 

Now we are in a situation where we have only scored 1 goal in a month. Yet he continues chopping and changing 

On the topic who actually wanted Tuchel sacked?

Think the majority consensus was give him at least until the WC. 

8 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

With regards to the Arteta benchmark, the reason I find it annoying is because Arsenal haven't won anything yet. They could still very well end this season trophy less and I sincerely doubt they will replicate this kind of form next season when all the other clubs have strengthened. 

You are right about Arsenal this season. They could end up with just a top 4 spot to show for their 'great' season. That being said Arteta did manage to win the FA Cup in his first season. Probably the only reason he still had a job coming into this season.

Just now, forbzy said:

You are right about Arsenal this season. They could end up with just a top 4 spot to show for their 'great' season. That being said Arteta did manage to win the FA Cup in his first season. Probably the only reason he still had a job coming into this season.

Also beat Liverpool in the community shield. 

17 minutes ago, forbzy said:

 That being said Arteta did manage to win the FA Cup in his first season. Probably the only reason he still had a job coming into this season.

As nice as that is in isolation that should never really be used as a big barometer of progress. How many Chelsea fans will want us to employ Harry Redknapp if/when we sack Potter?

Without Pulisic pulling up Lampard probably won that and I'd have still wanted him replaced when things collapsed the following winter.

Edited February 28, 20233 yr by Argo

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

As nice as that is in isolation that should never really be used as a big barometer of progress. How many Chelsea fans will want us to employ Harry Redknapp if/when we sack Potter?

Without Pulisic pulling up Lampard probably won that, and I'd have still wanted him replaced when things collapsed the following winter.

With regards to being considered a long term manager, there needs to be milestones set. Arteta had just gone and beat us in the FA Cup final being only months in employment and then beat arguably the best club in the world at the time in the community shield. Arteta earned himself enough time on that regard alone. 

3 hours ago, El regreso said:

This should have been sackable ages ago

Quoting oneself to answer the question what he needs to do in the last 14 games, well we are the worst team in the top 4 divisions in goals scored this year that alone tells me it’s more that just injuries and new players it’s the coach.

We had issues with goals previously but not this many issue, we have gotten progressively worst since he’s taken over.

I don’t see a way back for him and the longer it goes one the worst it gets for him, the clubs and the fanbase as whole.

20 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

On the topic who actually wanted Tuchel sacked?

Think the majority consensus was give him at least until the WC. 

I really hoped TT would have been here long term but what he had to deal with in terms of the sanctions, the club nearly going out of business and with his own personal problems he needed a break. The writing is on the wall when a manager starts saying he doesn’t know what’s wrong when you’re losing games. 

1 hour ago, TheCeleryKing said:

In the Spanish press they are reporting that Luis Enrique is on his way to Chelsea.  Apparently he met with Todd and Co., three days ago. I mean Todd is being stubborn as GP was his choice after all, but at some point a new manager is inevitable.  Unless we see a GP miracle? GP wins the CL?  And anything is possible in football. But GP is losing the squad. He is losing the dressing room.  We all know what that means. Apparently Luis want to bring in 4 new players.  He wants to keep Felix and he does not want Nkunku. But I am not sure that is possible, as I understand that the Nkunku deal is done.

Where have you seen that reported? I haven't seen anything in any of the main sports journals (as, marca, mundo deportivo).

25 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Quoting oneself to answer the question what he needs to do in the last 14 games, well we are the worst team in the top 4 divisions in goals scored this year that alone tells me it’s more that just injuries and new players it’s the coach.

We had issues with goals previously but not this many issue, we have gotten progressively worst since he’s taken over.

I don’t see a way back for him and the longer it goes one the worst it gets for him, the clubs and the fanbase as whole.

Even if we won all 14 league games (we won't) I'd still sack Potter in the summer though really he should go now.

In each of his 3 seasons at Brighton he went 10+ league games without a win,  he's got 2 wins in 16 games here.  1 in our last 11.

Brighton supporters mostly wanted him sacked last season after he went 13 games in all competitions without winning, then the media praised him after they went 7 games undefeated (mostly draws) and then they lost 5 straight league games.

Good managers aren't streaky.

It really doesn't matter how good you are for 70% of the season if you go on 2-3 month runs were you simply can't win a game or score a goal and Potter has unfortunately not been able to prevent those runs or turn them around quickly in any of the last 4 years, us winning a few end of season dead rubbers wouldn't change that.

We've invested so much in the squad and it will have all been a waste without an elite coach or an extremely promising young manager and Potter is neither.

43 minutes ago, Deino said:

It would take him W8 D2 L4 at least to convince me we're going somewhere with Potter

This and I need to see a sign that there are patterns forming in the way we play that makes us exciting again. If we are just fluking results, grabbing the odd 1-0 win from a penalty or deflection, I am still Potter out. If we are still playing 5 passes across the back, putting pressure on ourselves, not testing the opposition keeper regularly, then I am still Potter out. It's not all about results for me, Potter would need to to come up with a brand of football totally different from the one he has coached in his career up to this point, there is almost zero chance of this happening. 

35 minutes ago, Belfast_blue5 said:

I really hoped TT would have been here long term but what he had to deal with in terms of the sanctions, the club nearly going out of business and with his own personal problems he needed a break. The writing is on the wall when a manager starts saying he doesn’t know what’s wrong when you’re losing games. 

So Potter every game?

1 hour ago, coco said:

I think he's got 12 weeks to turn it around, 3 months to this day is our last game of the season, 14 league games and 1-6 CL games, probably 15 games will decide his fate, starting this weekend with Leeds.

Now the question is what does he have to do between now and then to win the supporters who have have declared "he has to go"?

Lets just say we do improve and start scoring again, and performances look a lot better, what does he need from the last 14 league games ?

We have three tough away fixtures MU, Arse, City, i think he needs to win one of these at least.

I think this is what he needs minimum......

W8 D3 L2 GD+10 

 

He would need 8 wins and 1 draw in the next 9 games to even match AVB's league record, who was sacked after 27 league games.

He's the worst manager we've had this century by a country mile

23 hours ago, PrinceOfPortugal said:

I hope Ruben Amorim is not coming. He is not in my opinion right person for Chelsea.

He's not even listed in the Bookies odds list for "next Chelsea manager", so probably nothing in this rumour anyway

That notwithstanding. most of us over in UK are not really familiar with Amorim, so it would be very helpful to understand why you feel he is not a good fit for Chelsea ?

 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

On the topic who actually wanted Tuchel sacked?

Think the majority consensus was give him at least until the WC. 

I remember in his first season there were people calling to him to be sacked if we lost the Champions League final. Insane how much lower the bar has been for Potter.

 

Honestly that's Potter's biggest strength as a manager. People feeling sorry for him cause he's apparently a nice bloke