19 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

 

Meanwhile Potter: 'The lads gave everything, Southampton were well prepared that's life, go buy amazon Prime and watch Arteta's documentary'

 

Still miss Tuchel. What a sh*t show this has turned out to be.

Just now, WhiteWall said:

Still miss Tuchel. What a sh*t show this has turned out to be.

I don't think I'll ever get over that sacking, especially with how sh*t Potter has turned out to be. Even if we did sack Potter, none of the available replacements are as good as Tuchel

32 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/27/chelsea-plan-to-stand-by-graham-potter-even-if-they-lose-to-leeds-and-dortmund?CMP=share_btn_tw

He's here to stay

Yeah I knew he wasn’t going anywhere anytime soon he will be here until next summer 2024 at least.
We just have suck it up get a thick skin and bunker down from your Man City, Arsenal and United friends family and colleagues it’s going to be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG few years with Potter in charge.

But whoever is in charge I will support my club till the end. COYB!!!!!

Flaccid man will leave eventually and Chelsea will still be one of the biggest in Europe!!

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by El regreso

Tuchel's achievements

 

Season 1: Dragged us from 9th into the top 4 with no pre-season, won the Champions League in dominant fashion, only lost the FA Cup final due to a dodgy VAR call.

Season 2: Won our first ever Club World Cup, got top 4 comfortably despite a massive injury crisis and the ownership turmoil, won the European Super Cup, got to the League and FA cup finals, only losing them on penalties.

Season 3: Saved us from relegation by getting us a crucial 10 points in his only 6 games.

1 minute ago, El regreso said:

Yeah I knew he wasn’t going anywhere anytime soon he will be here until next summer 2024 at least.
We just have suck it up get a thick skin and bunker down from your Man City, Arsenal and United friends family and colleagues it’s going to be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG few years with Potter in charge.

But whoever is in charge I will support my clubs till the end. COYB!!!!!

Flaccid man will leave eventually and Chelsea will still be one of the biggest in Europe!!

Not to mention your Tottenham, Newcastle, Fulham, Liverpool, Brighton and Brentford friends, family and colleagues as well, and if Potter get's the whole season we'll probably be adding Aston Villa, Crystal Palace, Forest, Leicester, Wolves and West Ham to the list too LOL

If we go lose at Leeds, Potter needs to start getting the Nathan Jones treatment, that's the only way he'll leave at this point

Just now, Drogba1 said:

If we go lose at Leeds, Potter needs to start getting the Nathan Jones treatment, that's the only way he'll leave at this point

Yes, add them to the bloody list too LOL. 

14 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

If we go lose at Leeds, Potter needs to start getting the Nathan Jones treatment, that's the only way he'll leave at this point

I missed this what did the fans do?

2 hours ago, Argo said:

To be honest I don't feel we need a long term manager for a long term project. Ofcourse that would be ideal but it's not crucial. The technical team and James/Enzo/Barry etc will have us more than covered on the stability score.

Infact if we're looking to build a core that survives a decade it probably won't be possible regardless of how good a manager we get, I think it was @Bob starkwho said this but after a while the voice needs to change or a large chunk of the players do. Look at City's squad now compared to Pep's centurions, there's very few regulars from that side still there.

We just need to keep appointing managers who are roughly on the same page with their ideas.

Value add there. Manager can change same as the players. New ideas come on football and need fresh faces to implement them. There is the off fergie or wenger and many mor contes. 

33 minutes ago, El regreso said:

We just have suck it up get a thick skin and bunker down from your Man City, Arsenal and United friends family and colleagues

 

29 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Not to mention your Tottenham, Newcastle, Fulham, Liverpool, Brighton and Brentford friends, family and colleagues as well, and if Potter get's the whole season we'll probably be adding Aston Villa, Crystal Palace, Forest, Leicester, Wolves and West Ham to the list too LOL

This is where having no friends, family that supports Chelsea or doesn’t care about football and colleagues who don’t talk about it really pays off.

Also how has he still not been sacked?

Maybe Boehly and friends will stick to what they know best...baseball.   Spring training is off and running with the Dodgers 1-1 so far and 3-1 up bottom of the 6th...scored more runs in 2 games than we've scored goals recently....wonder what their xg is?

 

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by CFCCAN

I don't think results are not longer relevant. First leg of the CL was important and we dropped, Southampton was a must easy win and we lost, Spurs was the local derby we needed to win and we didn't even show up.  Leeds will play for their survival, Dortmond is a better team than us right now, why would a lose there bother Boehly or Potter? We could lose the next 4 and Boehly won't do a thing.

Once we win a game, all the good PRs will run stories about a man overcome adversity and impossible odds, and whatever the losing streak will the just be the past.

46 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

I don't think results are not longer relevant. First leg of the CL was important and we dropped, Southampton was a must easy win and we lost, Spurs was the local derby we needed to win and we didn't even show up.  Leeds will play for their survival, Dortmond is a better team than us right now, why would a lose there bother Boehly or Potter? We could lose the next 4 and Boehly won't do a thing.

Once we win a game, all the good PRs will run stories about a man overcome adversity and impossible odds, and whatever the losing streak will the just be the past.

True, scraping past Palace at home took the heat off Potter for almost a month. Most protected manager I've ever seen in football

I think he’s here to the summer unless there is a real threat of us getting dragged into a relegation battle. Potter was appointed on the 8th September and there has be no real change in terms of the out put on the pitch since he’s arrived. What is the process are we a team playing on the front foot pressing from the front and moving the ball quickly or a possession based team because at the minute it looks like neither.

Pundits and commentators constantly say the squad is to big but why hasn’t he told the players who are not in his plans to train away from the first team and reduce the size of the squad. There is only a few months of the season left how much could they kick off. 

I’m sure everyone of working age in their chosen profession has come across people like potter nice guy, wants to keep everyone happy but not really that good of a manager. 

He’s not a born winner and out of his depth. When spurs scored their second on Sunday he showed no reaction and continued to give instructions to one of the subs that’s not the reaction from an elite level manager who’s obsessed with winning. 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

True, scraping past Palace at home took the heat off Potter for almost a month. Most protected manager I've ever seen in football

I don't really agree with that, i would say it was because at that point performances were improving, we played well at Fulham despite the defeat and would have won at Anfield but for a bs VAR call.

Sean Dyche says every player needs to contribute goals

Seems to have the right idea....

Maybe we should try and poach this guy from Everton - crisis management and all that.

Could be argued Felix was the only reason we looked good against Fulham and not beating Liverpool in the state they were in at the time was downright unacceptable. 

13 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Could be argued Felix was the only reason we looked good against Fulham and not beating Liverpool in the state they were in at the time was downright unacceptable. 

Yes, that Felix was good before the card, then he spent a month learning our way and got lost.  That Liverpool team lost to Wolves ( the team never scored) 0:3, can't remember whether was after or before our game. The point is we played them at their worst, still fired blank.

The concerning thing for me is good players will not play better with us. They regressed to our levels eventually. So no matter how many good players we sign they eventually adjust to our very low levels. That’s concerning. 

The last time I remember attackers were unleashed and given complete freedom to attack was under Frank. That season, the way we attacked was fantastic. There wasn’t a system, it was chaotic and exciting. That is what I expected from Potter but we’re getting f*ck all, I don’t think we’ve had a hint of Potter football since Milan.

If we lose playing exciting football then it would be more bearable, like a few times vs Liverpool under Frank. At least we’d see progress. But we’re not even playing well at all, our recent performances are as bad as that performance against City under Sarri.

5 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

I'm done now, one of the excuses or reasons to keep him is because Pep expressed support. The guy does that for every coach in the league.....as does every other coach when a colleague is appointed to a job or is under pressure. It's clear to me now this consortium are clueless. 

 

 

5 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

 

Guardiola's sunk us 😂

 

It's nothing more than a clown show. 

7 hours ago, OriginalS said:

We ARE a good team. Look how awesome we looked against Juve, against Madrid (2nd leg), against spurs this season….When the players are allowed to play with the handbrake off, then we ARE top class. Unfortunately, we did not do it (or were not allowed to do it) often enough.

You the day Tuchel was sacked. Different standards much?

That team that are top class is now mid-table and sinking under Potter and you are defending him while you couldn't wait to critizice Tuchel for everything.
 

 

Exactly - my post then was spot on and sums out how I see it.

For years the team have been playing stagnant, unprogressive, negative and boring football. A succession of managers (conte, jose, sarri, lamps, and TT) had to mend and make do with our squad - shoehorning players from previous eras into their own squads, resulting in a turgid team playing rubbish football. 

TT didn't show that he was trying to change that. Yes - there were the occasional good games, and of course, fundamentally the players are talented. But more often than not, he had the team playing with the hand break on, trying to make the team function in the short term -without any apparent long term plan. 

The new owners have pressed reset - and seem to be trying to move us forward and give us a new squad, shaped to their vision. Which will take time to implement.

Edited February 28, 20233 yr by nonotnowjim

7 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

Don't want to go too off piste in the Potter thread, but I'd be interested to hear your view of who in the current squad is in your "rotten" pile, and ripe for moving out ?

The squad overall had been rotten - a hodge podge of players purchased for different systems and different eras - all drilled for years to play boring and unprogressive football. The fact we struggle so badly in changing systems or start games so slowly is a clear symptom.

So - collectively....But also individually a quick whizz through those that need addressing in some way, whether by selling, getting in others to help, or having a back up and rotating. 

Kepa, Mendy, bettinelli: not good enough

James/chilly: injury prone and regularly unavailable. 

silva: Class but nearing retirement and in need of succession planning

K2: has looked rubbish 

jorgi: past sell by date - good he has now moved on

Kante: permanently injured

Kova: doesn't score or assist

RLC: doesn't do much and also regularly injured

Kai: doesn't play in proper position, doesn't score. 

Azpi: legs have gone 

auba: doesn't have the heart

Mount/connor: The headless chicken brothers -  not doing very much

Ziyech: Consistently inconsistent

Puli: Generally lightweight and rubbish - plus always injured. 

Rotten to the core. Thankfully new owners seem to agree and have purchased young players to come in and help with this in the future....but with such a huge job, it will take a long time.

42 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

 

It's nothing more than a clown show. 

Aren't clown shows funny though?

1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

The squad overall had been rotten - a hodge podge of players purchased for different systems and different eras - all drilled for years to play boring and unprogressive football. The fact we struggle so badly in changing systems or start games so slowly is a clear symptom.

So - collectively....But also individually a quick whizz through those that need addressing in some way, whether by selling, getting in others to help, or having a back up and rotating. 

Kepa, Mendy, bettinelli: not good enough

James/chilly: injury prone and regularly unavailable. 

silva: Class but nearing retirement and in need of succession planning

K2: has looked rubbish 

jorgi: past sell by date - good he has now moved on

Kante: permanently injured

Kova: doesn't score or assist

RLC: doesn't do much and also regularly injured

Kai: doesn't play in proper position, doesn't score. 

Azpi: legs have gone 

auba: doesn't have the heart

Mount/connor: The headless chicken brothers -  not doing very much

Ziyech: Consistently inconsistent

Puli: Generally lightweight and rubbish - plus always injured. 

Rotten to the core. Thankfully new owners seem to agree and have purchased young players to come in and help with this in the future....but with such a huge job, it will take a long time.

Tuchel deserves a statue for winning the Champions League with that lot.

Edited February 28, 20233 yr by Drogba1