22 minutes ago, coco said:

You can't use the word shocking thrice like that, it's shocking.

What is shocking is the fact Tuchel was sacked straight after winning a London derby. For me it's the worst sacking by the club in my lifetime. I was hoping the Potter move would cushion the blow, but so far it looks like possibly being the worst manager at Chelsea in my lifetime.

Danny Blanchflower definitely the worst 5 wins all season 78-79 and I was at two of them including the 4-3 against Bolton really dark days.

30 minutes ago, abister1 said:

Exactly. He is a prime candidate for the sack by almost all performance metrics you wish to consider in the whole league. 

At this point the only thing he has left going for him is the players still willing to walk out the tunnel on game day

27 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

Danny Blanchflower definitely the worst 5 wins all season 78-79 and I was at two of them including the 4-3 against Bolton really dark days.

That was just before I started supporting us. 88 was the worst season in my time.

1 hour ago, coco said:

That was just before I started supporting us. 88 was the worst season in my time.

You picked a hell of a time to start supporting Chelsea 🤣, Agreed on 88 the Charlton and Boro games were horrific and the hangover continued the first part of 88-89 when the terraces were shut.

5 hours ago, Qaz said:

In other words, TT proved himself worthy of patience when times are difficult whereas Potter hasn't.

If you deem the first 50 games of W38, D11, L7. Goals For 81, against 24. Clean sheets 24. Points per game 2.14, win rate 64%, loss rate 14%, Goals per game 2.53, Goal against per game 0.48 as being worthy of patience than agreed. But where does this patience run out. Even Job voted for Potter to get sacked.

2 hours ago, evissy said:

Not making any excuses on Potter's behalf over the results that are historically bad. There is no denying that. 

But when you compare Tuchels situation and Potter's right now it is not comparable. There are so many different factors. We all know them.

Tuchel basically showed his bosses he is absolutely incapable of working with the new strategy and that is why Tommy got the boot. 

Potter's problems are far more visible to fans. It seems he has no problems with players, club or owners. All his problems are to do with first team performance. 

Tuchels problems with the owners were not that visible to the average fan.

If they were not that visible to the average fan then how do you know the reason why TT got sacked. Maybe because Todd Boehly has suddenly become best mates with Simon Jordan having probably never heard of him before joining Chelsea. All there is is supposition and rumour and as you said the average fan has no idea the reasons why these things happen

2 hours ago, coco said:

You can't use the word shocking thrice like that, it's shocking.

What is shocking is the fact Tuchel was sacked straight after winning a London derby. For me it's the worst sacking by the club in my lifetime. I was hoping the Potter move would cushion the blow, but so far it looks like possibly being the worst manager at Chelsea in my lifetime.

Agree totally. Whether there were extenuating circumstances behind the scenes or not the actions of Boehly in those early days in handling TT, the back room staff and the media relations after thrusting himself into the limelight were, dare i say it, shocking. In a country where the press and national pastime seems to be revelling in the plight of others especially when they are hoisted by tehior own petard it seemed tat that time, and still does, naive in the extreme, unnecessary and setting a mark by which we and he is now measured.

We appear to have become a caricature of a club.

 

7 hours ago, abramovich said:

TT didn't have a preseason and took over a struggling team halfway through the 2020-21 season. He had been on the job for four months when we reached FA Cup final and won the CL, all that without signing a single player. The following season after signing just Lukaku (granted, a big mistake) and having just as bad a list of injuries as this Potter's squad, Tuchel proceeded to win Super Cup, Club World Cup, reached two domestic cup finals and finished third in the league. All that despite Lukaku disaster, ridiculous list of injuries, the busiest schedule of any club across Europe and all the hell the team went though due to sanctions, forced ownership change etc.

Tuchel made his share of mistakes and there must have been serious reasons behind the scenes for sacking him, but I just wanted to demonstrate that if you have what it rakes to deliver at the highest level, you succeed at times even when the odds aren't in your favour. But when you're not cut out for this, you can have all the help in the world and you'll still fail and there'll be a ready made list of excuses to justify your failings.

Perfectly summed up.

13 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Simply not true. He has not had "more training time than any of our recent managers over the last ten years".

He has been here mere months, with a severely disrupted schedule and unprecedented number of injuries. A large number of the players have only been here for just over a month (felix, baddy, mudryk, madueke, enzo). A large number of players (reece, chilly, wes, kante, rlc, zakaria, sterling, puli) have been injured long term. That is 13 players i have listed above, almost 50% of the squad, that have hardly had any training sessions over the last few months. This is without considering that  95% of the squad going for the world cup.  

I don't dispute that potter should have got more out of the team - but the narrative that he has had a lot of time to work with the players is not true. 

 

For someone who's allegedly not a fan of Potter, you sure do make a lot of excuses for him. Probably more than Potter himself. 

5 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Okay, so Potter gets all these excuses but Tuchel gets none of them despite having it far worse? Potter even had the nuts to complain about having to play midweek after we lost to Southampton while Tuchel had to endure the worst schedule in all of Europe last season. Predictably one of the very few teams who never got a much needed Covid-break on top of everything else.

Won 8 out of his last 15 league games btw, hardly shocking compared to what we are going through these days is it?

Tuchel is gone. I get you feel that he was sacked too soon, and thats fine, you can think that. None of us know 100% of the details.

But simply because TT was sacked too soon (in your opinion), it doesnt change the mitigating circs that potter is (maybe has is better) worked through or mean that we should be too hasty to sack again.

4 hours ago, coco said:

That was just before I started supporting us. 88 was the worst season in my time.

88 was my first game/season.

28 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

For someone who's allegedly not a fan of Potter, you sure do make a lot of excuses for him. Probably more than Potter himself. 

I am not a fan - he has been awful so far...

but some of the children, crying and whinging on here do my head in. They seem unable to see anything other than binary good/bad.

Just now, nonotnowjim said:

I am not a fan - he has been awful so far...

but some of the children, crying and whinging on here do my head in. They seem unable to see anything other than binary good/bad.

Yeah god forbid we're not tolerable of scoring 4 goals in 16 games, winning only two of them. Doesn't come close to your bitching about Tuchel after only 6 Premier League games. 

5 hours ago, Gol15 said:

That means Potter's problems have a direct link to the nature of his job, he does work in a result-oriented environment after all. At any given time a manager might have those kinds of problems but when it comes to Potter, he has had 99% of the time 99 out of 100 problems that are related to performances and results.

If there ever was an award for the best candidate for sacking, Potter would be the winner of 2023.

Naturally. No one is denying the nature of the business. Potter himself says that every presser he's done. It is performance-based from top to bottom.

HOWEVER our circumstances are as follows:

New owner who just a minute ago sacked the coach (Tuchel)

The owner clearly indicates he wants to find stability for coach's position

We have just bought 15-16 new mostly young potential players

We have just suffered a massive stretch of unimaginable amount of injuries to key players.

We have already lost the chance to win anything this season, mainly 4th. Outside chance to Champions League.

So our circumstances are not of a club or a team which is being the same for years and is almost a champion. We are far from it. Even the profile of the coach is far from what the club has used to. 

If Boehly wants to make a statement and truly change the course of this club in terms of stability he needs to stick to his guns the same Tuchel stuck to his or Roman to his. 

Again I am not saying Potter is for sure our man for the long haul, I am saying the circumstances are not like they were and Boehly probably wants to change the culture of the club.

I say we need to bite our tongue and forget we are Roman's Chelsea, we are Boehly's Chelsea. I truly believe Potter is good enough coach and if he can chance the course a ton of people here will have to take a look in the mirror. 

Edited March 2, 20233 yr by evissy

I actually hope and believe that Potter can do the job in time. My main worry is that too much damage is being done whilst waiting to get to that point.

2 minutes ago, Ajbod said:

I actually hope and believe that Potter can do the job in time. My main worry is that too much damage is being done whilst waiting to get to that point.

Damage:

Fans: long term damage? Absolutely not. Every fan will love him after a string of wins and no one will remember this time if we just win. 

Money: we will lose money for not progressing to Champions League. Still probably not as much if we kick out Potter and hire someone else. 

Media: who the f**k cares.

The team: it is reported players like him and respect him. If we turn our fortunes around and get wins you players are on board. Problem here is basically our massive squad. But that is a problem for every coach.

3 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

If you deem the first 50 games of W38, D11, L7. Goals For 81, against 24. Clean sheets 24. Points per game 2.14, win rate 64%, loss rate 14%, Goals per game 2.53, Goal against per game 0.48 as being worthy of patience than agreed. But where does this patience run out. Even Job voted for Potter to get sacked.

Your numbers look a bit off to me. 81 goals in "50 games" would be 1.62 per game, not 2.53, and 38+11+7 is in any case 56. not 50 LOL

Love the last sentence 🙂 

2 minutes ago, evissy said:

Damage:

Fans: long term damage? Absolutely not. Every fan will love him after a string of wins and no one will remember this time if we just win. 

Beware of low flying pigs over Stamford Bridge !

This occurs every 2-3 years at Chelsea. 
 

manager bounce, players perform brilliantly and can even win a cup. 
 

1-2 years later down tools and squad politicking lead to horrendous performances to get the manager sacked. 
 

All by the same set of players largely. 
 

same players who can down tools but win the champions league 6 months later and then down tools again 1 year later. 
 

how else can you explain. Just look at our history. Champions to 10th under mourinho then back to champions again under conte. Down tools against lampard too before Tuchel took over. Started the sh*t show again to get Tuchel sacked. Improved slightly with new manager now back at it again. 
 

i think we have the most sh*te set of players in the dressing room. Or mentally the weakest. Problematic personalities all around. 

Edited March 2, 20233 yr by Mudders

8 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Beware of low flying pigs over Stamford Bridge !

I didn't realize you are 13.

2 minutes ago, evissy said:

I didn't realize you are 13.

And I didn't realise you were 6 LOL

Perhaps that is part of Boehlys plan, if the players know Potter is going nowhere, then downing tools will only highlight who needs shipping out.

I can already imagine who may be playing politics in the dressing room and downing tools on the pitch. 
 

Mount

ziyech

pulisic

Auba

koulibaly

sterling

havertz

Edited March 2, 20233 yr by Mudders

24 minutes ago, evissy said:

I didn't realize you are 13.

The combined age of many on here - unfortunately