21 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

 

 

Personality fit - Yup. He's a yes man who will not push back against the owners/board
Strategy fit - Yup. If the strategy is to get as bad as possible in the shortest amount of time
Football fit - Yup. He's certainly delivered a unique style of play. Trying to win games without scoring any goals. 

28 minutes ago, coco said:

Every manager gets the sack 'further down the line', we won't be in a bad spot if we start winning, you can't lose, you'll either see Potter get sacked soon, or we will start winning and scoring again.

Lose/Draw vs Leeds and beat Dortmund under a caretaker? Or scrape past Leeds and lose to Dortmund under Potter? Ideally we'd just win both but I'd prefer the first scenario to the 2nd. 

If we were given the choice to sack Potter now and get Lampard in as interim coach, would you take it?

I feel Frank hasn’t done that well as a coach since leaving us but I think if he came back as interim coach he’d revitalise the squad. At least he’d make sure the players know what it means to play for Chelsea. He could be our Di Matteo.

 

😂😂😂

3 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

If we were given the choice to sack Potter now and get Lampard in as interim coach, would you take it?

I feel Frank hasn’t done that well as a coach since leaving us but I think if he came back as interim coach he’d revitalise the squad. At least he’d make sure the players know what it means to play for Chelsea. He could be our Di Matteo.

My main worry about Frank is that it could lead to the standards of the club being lowered due to sentimental attachment. It did begin to feel like there were hints of that during the middle of the second season.

 

As an interim it doesn't feel like a bad idea, but I feel like even a half decent job would lead to him being appointed permanently again, due to the love for him. Ultimately as a tactician he is limited at this stage of his career at least, and there are better options for a long term manager.

 

Personally I feel Lampard should do what Arteta did, and become an assistant to an elite coach so he can learn more about tactics. He pretty much just went in blind with no experience into management. 

50 minutes ago, coco said:

Every manager gets the sack 'further down the line', we won't be in a bad spot if we start winning, you can't lose, you'll either see Potter get sacked soon, or we will start winning and scoring again.

I mean more the moral dilemma of wanting Potter to go but also not wanting to lose games. If Potter goes on the premise if we lose the next two games then it's a difficult spot for any fan to be in.

Some will argue you're not a true fan if you want to lose any game. That makes a lot of sense, that being said if losing in the short-term is a gain in the long-term perhaps those fans that are able to weigh up this cost vs benefit are just as passionate or perhaps more passionate in their support of the club. Or at least just as valid in their stance since they can remove emotions to look at the bigger picture.  In order to stop the rot sacrifices must be made. No fan wants to lose games but to want to lose for the sake of the "greater good" well that tells you just how dire a situation we're in hence my original comment.

14 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

I mean more the moral dilemma of wanting Potter to go but also not wanting to lose games. If Potter goes on the premise if we lose the next two games then it's a difficult spot for any fan to be in.

Some will argue you're not a true fan if you want to lose any game. That makes a lot of sense, that being said if losing in the short-term is a gain in the long-term perhaps those fans that are able to weigh up this cost vs benefit are just as passionate or perhaps more passionate in their support of the club. Or at least just as valid in their stance since they can remove emotions to look at the bigger picture.  In order to stop the rot sacrifices must be made. No fan wants to lose games but to want to lose for the sake of the "greater good" well that tells you just how dire a situation we're in hence my original comment.

You don't have to lose to get the sack. Tuchel got the sack after winning a London derby by our present owner. So no Chelsea fan has any reason to want us to lose ever.

3 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

 

 

All of this could have been solved if the board got him an executive assistant or created an intermediary role between him and the board. 

9 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

All of this could have been solved if the board got him an executive assistant or created an intermediary role between him and the board. 

or he at least pretends to be interested in and join some meetings that he 'doesnt care' in

5 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

If we were given the choice to sack Potter now and get Lampard in as interim coach, would you take it?

I feel Frank hasn’t done that well as a coach since leaving us but I think if he came back as interim coach he’d revitalise the squad. At least he’d make sure the players know what it means to play for Chelsea. He could be our Di Matteo.

I'd take Lampard right now, if he wants it. He would be a smarter manager now he's been to the low of being a PL football manager, don't think he will playing that open anymore, which was ultimately cost him results and the job. Lampard would not say players gave it all after not showing up for the game, or say mistakes are part of the game when we got robbed via referees.

Is there an interview with Potter where he is being asked football question? 

Not owner support, confidence, we need to stick together, bla2. 

I want him to explain to what our plan was against spurs. Why do we always look worse in the 2nd half? 

The excuses being used to defend Potter are bordering on scandalous now. First it was a lack of pre-season, then 2 games a week, then it was the injuries, then it was the new signings, and now its a too big squad. This guy is nothing more than a pile of excuses. The problem at our club has been the lack of patience with managers but I never thought the club would be the most patient with our worst manager ever.

7 hours ago, RMH said:

I can’t believe that people actually want us to loose tomorrow to f**king Leeds (or to anyone, but Leeds?!). I always want Chelsea to win, no matter how little I like the coach or any player.

 

It boggles the mind. Several forum members posted as much last week. @Mod how about making that a bannable offense 

36 minutes ago, Nick05 said:

The excuses being used to defend Potter are bordering on scandalous now. First it was a lack of pre-season, then 2 games a week, then it was the injuries, then it was the new signings, and now its a too big squad. This guy is nothing more than a pile of excuses. The problem at our club has been the lack of patience with managers but I never thought the club would be the most patient with our worst manager ever.

So short sighted.

 

All of those points you raise DO form part of the issue. Alongside the malaise and slump the club was already in, and potter himself not performing well enough. 
 

If potter had taken over prime Barcelona and performed like this, then I would agree with the sack - but he didn’t. We were already On a downward slope 

 

 

1 hour ago, Nick05 said:

The excuses being used to defend Potter are bordering on scandalous now. First it was a lack of pre-season, then 2 games a week, then it was the injuries, then it was the new signings, and now its a too big squad. This guy is nothing more than a pile of excuses. The problem at our club has been the lack of patience with managers but I never thought the club would be the most patient with our worst manager ever.

Honestly I don't mind excuse. But he need to explain to us why we have been sh%t against everyone. 

He can say we have brand new forwards and the movement in final third is not sync yet or the build is wrong because this and that. He can use injuries. 

He need to give us something to cling on. 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

So short sighted.

 

All of those points you raise DO form part of the issue. Alongside the malaise and slump the club was already in, and potter himself not performing well enough. 
 

If potter had taken over prime Barcelona and performed like this, then I would agree with the sack - but he didn’t. We were already On a downward slope 

 

 

Most managers would kill to get the squad he has even with the injury problems. There is no excuse for the worst record in the PL since he took over. And then what's the point in having a manager if he does not arrest the supposed "downward slope" ? We may as well play without a manager and won't be any worse than we already are. But I don't blame Potter for taking the job. He took the paycheck of a lifetime that was offered to him. The responsibility squarely lies with Boehly and co. for the hasty decision.

15 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Honestly I don't mind excuse. But he need to explain to us why we have been sh%t against everyone. 

He can say we have brand new forwards and the movement in final third is not sync yet or the build is wrong because this and that. 

 

 

He doesn't even know his first choice 11 or the most suitable system. At present he's more like a tactically devoid but politically correct people pleaser whose players won't turn on him because he treats them in an emotionally intelligent manner. He may turn out to be a world class manager in 15 years but this job has come too early to him. He ain't no Carlo.

Edited March 4, 20233 yr by Nick05

18 minutes ago, Nick05 said:

He doesn't even know his first choice 11 or the most suitable system. At present he's more like a tactically devoid but politically correct people pleaser whose players won't turn on him because he treats them in an emotionally intelligent manner. He may turn out to be a world class manager in 15 years but this job has come too early to him. He ain't no Carlo.

Agree he need to give us something to wait for otherwise the only thing that everyone is waiting for is his sacking

 

On a personal note... not sure why I use that phrase as everything I write here is just that but anyway...I am not Graham Potter fan. Never been. What I would like us to do as a club is to set a new path and that path is something else to sacking managers like Roman did. There are 10 different things in a club you can improve than just to kick out the current first team coach. 

Players downing their tools after 3 losses is one. That is so toxic for the club and has always been. There is no respect from the players towards the coaches position as it literally is a joke. The coach knows it, as anyone who ever has had it is always speaking about it in the press. We have seen the dead man walking routine enough times.

Another major issue is when you kick out whoever it is you just made yourself a massive shopping list for players to buy and to sell. Same goes to playing style and identity. That is out the window as well. We have paid a pretty penny for that for years. 

I would love us to stick with a coach even if we face mediocrity for a while. Is it Potter? If we kick him out now we will never know..

I trust so much in our new players that the mediocrity won't last as long at it has lasted in MU or Arsenal. Our recruiting people should be top notch as well.

I like Potter and I want him to work out. 

The problem is that I don't know what he is trying to achieve. What does "working out" look like under Potter? What does "Potterball" even look like? 

Even our failed managers under Roman had evidence of some sort of plan. AVB tried to develop a high-line, possession team; Sarri tried to bore opponents to defeat; Benitez made us a counter-attacking that eschewed any sort of dominance; Lampard and Scolari tried to make us much more open in attack.

I'm not entirely sure what Potter is bringing to the table, what signature he his leaving or what impact he is having. It is a puzzling absence he shares with Avram Grant.

What the experts say about Potter's style that he is flexible in terms of formation, front footed approach, wants to play entertaining football. At least these are some of the descriptions people have talked about his style.

18 minutes ago, evissy said:

What the experts say about Potter's style that he is flexible in terms of formation, front footed approach, wants to play entertaining football. At least these are some of the descriptions people have talked about his style.

Entertaining football has been non-sense from the beginning. Brighton scored a grand total of 42 goals last season. Well below the average of 53,5.

1 hour ago, reparto corse said:

Entertaining football has been non-sense from the beginning. Brighton scored a grand total of 42 goals last season. Well below the average of 53,5.

Entertaining could be the opposite of pragmatic in some sense.

4 hours ago, evissy said:

I trust so much in our new players that the mediocrity won't last as long at it has lasted in MU or Arsenal. Our recruiting people should be top notch as well.

The thing with Potter is that most of the recruiting people weren't at the team when he was hired, so maybe it's well within reason of that same progress and stability that he gets sacked and we get someone aligned with everyone in the club, especially the football directors. It makes sense we're hearing the board is divided now as we just finished assembling that director part with Vivell and the results have been atrocious.

But let's just hope you're right and the mediocrity fades soon, starting with a win today would be lovely. 

Enough dicking about now Graham ... time for the big push. 

14 straight PL wins should just about be enough to get 4th ...